Be honest now.

[OB_jafeica7]

Do we give poop ? no believe it or not We had our busa because its comfy for me and the wifey thing. I dont really care if kawahonaha 1600 does 300 mph and the 1/4 in 6 secs.giving the busa a fistfull is fast enough for me and in the uk there aint anyware to do 200mph on the road in safety + the filth have gastcos + and new sytems that can do 6000 tickets and hour no flash no warning just tickets galore + plain cars with video on board. over here speeding = 3 points min per violation max for a ban = 12 points and your in poop street double the limit or 100mph+ on motorways = a ban

 

[OB_jafeica7]

Do we give poop ? no believe it or not We had our busa because its comfy for me and the wifey thing. I dont really care if kawahonaha 1600 does 300 mph and the 1/4 in 6 secs.giving the busa a fistfull is fast enough for me and in the uk there aint anyware to do 200mph on the road in safety + the filth have gastcos + and new sytems that can do 6000 tickets and hour no flash no warning just tickets galore + plain cars with video on board. over here speeding = 3 points min per violation max for a ban = 12 points and your in poop street double the limit or 100mph+ on motorways = a ban

 

[OB_gixerfreak]

Ok I have had a question on my mind for a while since there seems to be a huge cow fixation for some of you on this site. I'm going to start a new survey. I know there are some intelligent people on these boards and there are obviously some knuckle draggers too. So feel free to answer with your honest opinion, All that I ask is that you dont make up a new screen name if you feel that you have to talk smack. Just be a man and post.

The question for the survey is:
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Do you honestly believe that the ZX-12 will not out perform the busa?
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Simple question. Short answers are fine. I'm not interested in dissertations on displacement, or aerodynamics or reported changes to the 2000 busa. I also dont want to hear about the reported ZX-12 specs because those aren't out yet either. Lets have your gut feelings.

 

[OB_KawAbuser]

Gut feeling yes the ZX12 will out run a 99 Hayabusa. Zx12 vs Y2K Hayabusa, I don't think so.

Kawasaki has a long reputation for fast bikes the ZX11 was king for so long, Do you really think they will build a slower bike than the 99 Hayabusa - I really doubt it.

Suzuki in turn has a year with the crown and I doubt they will just surrender it without a fight. They raised the stakes in the game higher than anybody has in years. The engineers here at this site remark the bike is in a "detuned" state. The year 2000 will bring many things to the table, who really rides at 200mph anyway. It is the total package that is to be compared as far as I am concerned. I am prejudiced SUZUKI for ever in my book.

Not one Kawasaki joke!

 

[OB_VegasDude]

I for one dont think it will. Its going to take a lot of engineering to overcome the busa and i dont think the kawasaki is going to have it.

 

[OB_BUDDHA]

The zx12 will barely outrun it...
It won't shadow over top of it as much as the "BUSA did to the XX though.
And by the year 2000,suzuki will be back on top again...but not by much.Thats just for speed though,'cause as kawabuser said,its gonna come down to the total package & personal taste.
So i know where my moneys going...'BUSA baby!
By the way,the japanese companies are really competitive with each other,and this is a never ending game.Why do you think that some guys in there 40's & older that have been in the game for awhile usually have a garage full of bikes that they pretty much lost interest in.'Cause they got something bigger & badder.If any of you guys know anything about video games,its the same exact poop.The japs want to melt our minds,then have us blast into extinction on their hybrid,200+mph land missles!
Its revenge damn it!I know it.

 

[Guest]

I believe it will be close. If the Kawasaki is faster, it won't be by much.

But that's not the whole story. I saw a picture in a cycle mag of the ZX12, I personally thought it was ugly(green) and looked like all the ZX's. I don't need any responses from you Kawasaki fans. Before buying the Busa, I seriously looked at the '99 CBR900RR and the ZX11. I even kinda looked at the CBR1100XX, but when I saw the Busa, I stopped looking. It was such an easy decision. It looked like nothing else, had tremendous reviews, was priced less than the Blackbird, and not to mention was the fastest production bike made.

Even if the ZX12 is faster, I wouldn't trade the Busa for it. And as you can tell by the bikes that I was considering, Brand loyalty is not the issue.

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[OB_BigPete]

Who cares ??

Ride ON !

 

[OB_Mr Bear]

Gixerfreak, the answer to your question is probably, but not by much. History is a good guide. If you look at how fast the top production bike of 60's went (and ran the quarter), and the 70's, and the 80's, and the 90's, and now the 2000-2010 decade, you can predict pretty acurately what is most likely going to happen.

Next year's bike will probably be a little faster. But if you got a 1999 Hayabusa, chances are your bike will still be within 10 mph of the fastest thing going (and 0.3-0.5 E.T.) in 2005. Like the ZX-11 in 1990, the 'Busa got most of the next big performance jump for the next 5-10 years now.

Next year you might not be the fastest anymore. But five years from now, you will still be close to the fastest. Enjoy!

 

[OB_ducmanic]

Look at the reality of corporate life. Marketing wants to "beat the Bus'". The legal
dept. wants to limit corporate liability. They cant sell a bike that is fast enough to beat
our bikes, because the public is not qualified to ride these bikes. As the E7 (Europe)
closes in on high power bikes, it is not in any companies best "green interest" to put out anything that will cause a public outrage. Moral Majority / The Right, Etc. We win by default. No company has the balls to beat our bikes. Special edition, yes. "For closed circuit use only". For the street? I don't think so. I have owned five Kawasaki's, and may buy one more,(also three Suzuki's) but for now, its "Hayabusa Baby"!!!

ducmanic
Los Angeles



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[OB_jim p]

If it is not faster and quicker we will not see it until it is, end of story.

 

[OB_emattson]

Loss of face is major in Japan. If Kawasaki does not live up to their hype, the verbal beatings will be intense. I see it as follows:
1. Make it quicker in the quarter mile
or
2. Make it have a better top end speed
or
3. Both
I would think #1 over #2 & #3 is easier to achieve for Kawasaki. If they do #3 (I did say If!!!!), it will be an amazing machine. If they make it handle as well as the Abuser it will be BOTY as the Abuser is now (and rightfully so). Next year will no doubt be great for any sportbike enthusiast.
Later,
Nailz

 

[OB_Cisco San Jose]

Yes and No,it depends who is riding the bike,as for out of the box speed anything is possible.The Hayabusa has the aerodynamics which is a hugh plus all it needs is the best combination of gears,FI mapping,pipes and your back in the lead.Remember our bikes are detuned for the smog/EPA requirements.

 

[OB_Peregrine]

I think it will beat a 99 Bus also, but like in other discussions, how fast are these things going to get before the governments finally end the party? I keep thinking it would be nice to own one of the last of the extreme road bikes before the era of horsepower restrictions comes in.

 

[OB_robh]

In replay to one of the last posts - maybe a good new topic to get started since the issue affects us all and we need to protect our "right to horsepwer".


Does anybody recall Senator Danforth from back in the late 80's and his proposal?

To the best of my recollection this is what happend:
He had gathered enough supporting information and determined that most negative motocycle dealings (accidents, recklessness, deaths, etc...) were due to the increasing horsepower and MPH with newer technology bikes, but especially these bikes over 750cc. His plan was to make the motorcycle a safer mode of transportation and less liability to "non bikers" like himself by passing a bill that would not allow any motorcycle over 750cc to exceed the weight to horsepower ratio of a typical American car of that time. His example was a Ford EXP!!!. Now here's the really sad part - it was not thrown out for several months until someone with a little motorcycle experience or better sense or something realized how pathetic a bill it really was.

This was real folks, no hoax, and our congress hasn't change much in this aspect.

Rob

 

[OB_maniac marshall]

Oh yeah baby!!!! The 2000 Hayabusa,(The Mothership)like I've said before the 2000 busa is gonna be at the top of the food chain.
Like KawAbuser said before why ride a kaw when you can ride the bull.

maniac

 

[OB_maniac marshall]

At least I think KawAbuser said that before, if not it sounds like something he would say.

maniac

 

[OB_ROR]

Maybe the best history to guide this discussion is that of the ZX-11, which I hasten to add I've never ridden.

The magazine tests have consistently praised the engine but dinged the handling and brakes as I recall. The ZX-9R also seems to have trouble measuring up to its peers. Reviewers always find some nice things to say, but I can't think of a single comparo that it won.

I moved from eight years on a Honda CBR-1000F, which I thought was an incredible sport touring bike, to my Busa, which puts the Honda to shame. I think Kawasaki - and Honda - are going to have a tough time producing a bike to match let alone beat the Busa all around.

And remember this little fact. In 2003, California imposes much tighter emissions on bikes. The other 49 states will follow soon enough. I think these bikes we buy between now and then will live on as the quintessential examples of the species. It took many years for 60s muscle car performance to be surpassed, after all.

 

[Guest]

My two cents.

We are purely guessing here. No one has any hard data on what either company is doing. Yes both companies want to be on top. Both companies have the technology to do so. I like hot bikes and have no brand loyalty at all. I will check out a 2k Busa, ZX12, Honda CBX??? and see what is fastest, looks the best and is most reliable.... There is no way to know what we'll all be riding in a couple of years. That's the fun part.
In the immortal words of Terminator 2 "The future is not set"

For what it's worth the Bus gets my vote today.

 

[Frank Adams]

my opinion...yes...stock for stock.. history shows me that from the factory kaw builds a faster bike. but when it comes time for the aftermarket suzuki always dominates...i think they did a good job on the zx-9. that bike is impressive for the cc's it has...the 12 shows it's going to be a lighter bike and that counts. but i think they need to do some eng mod changes before they release it....i realy feel like there building the 12's motor to it's limits. as of now there showing the motor to have 5mm shorter rods and this will realy hurt if your looking to find more hp on that bike...some of you guy's haven't had the chance to look inside the busa motor but suzuki realy DE-TUNED this bike in a big way..with the way this motor is setup now this bike is going to be around for a long time..guy's that have been spending $16,000 dollars to build thier motors i'm only spending $7,000 to do the same thing. what does that tell you?...i freaked out the first time we pulled the head off my bike and seen how much room it had for more hp...but you'll never see that in the zx-12.......ps..this is the last time i'm talking about the zx-12..