Beware New Riders !!!

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Was out riding the other day enjoying my Busa ( Red / Black of course the Fastest Color ) when my on ramp for the Freeway came up.  Now everyone knows this bike is Super Fast and very comfortable at higher speeds.  Well............  the ramp came up real quick and right before I turned I knew I was going to FAST.  So I leaned hard and hit both brakes hard.  I know you are not supposed to brake in the Middle of a Turn but I knew that If I didn't slow down soon I was going to hit the curb and lose the bike.  Well thankfully I made the turn and did'nt crash.  
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The Point of this story is Pay Attention to how Really fast you are going. Especially if you are New Busa Owner.  This bike is designed to be comfortable at high speeds.  That can give the " Novice " Rider a false sense of security.  Like Clint Eastwood said " Every man has to know his limitations "
 
Yeah, Know your Limitations for sure. And on the street, that means about 20 Feet wide
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Great save, the bike will sneak up on ya. Most target fixate and end up fugged. Good job.
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Now slow down
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Good save! Shows you how great this bike is! Last second braking while leaned! PRICELESS!

Now slow down
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good save Boss
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fast seems slow on these beasts sometimes were in norcal are ya?
 
Good save, and way to keep your head, how are the shorts!?
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So I leaned hard and hit both brakes hard. I know you are not supposed to brake in the Middle of a Turn but I knew that If I didn't slow down soon I was going to hit the curb and lose the bike. Well thankfully I made the turn and did'nt crash. [/Quote]

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chop the throttle, banked over & front brakes causes ALOT of forward weight transfer
as an accomplished racer i would recomend leaning it over harder (think of draging things as a lean indicator) and just back brakes
trust me ive been there its amazing how far you can lean something over

glad you made it through that one
WE'VE all been there
its exzillerating isn't it
i wouldn't recommend that combination to any new busa owners

this is my 1st season on my 99 busa
its alot (weight wise)of bike and little sluggish (handling) but it is a full liter + bike

DAMN i love riing that bike
 
Sacramento CA. Thanks for all the support. I leaned the Bike as FAR as I could have with my Level of Experiance and Luckily the BEAST TOOK THE TURN !!!!!!
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" God I love this Bike " !!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the SHORTS. Well lets just say " I took a Shower when I got Home that Night "
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PS: Thanks Kd185 for the Advice. Right Now I am like a SPONGE !!
 
I had a similar experience coming into a corner too hot. I knew better than to brake, so I leaned over more than I ever leaned a bike in my recent memory and light rear brake, and smoothly made the curve.
KD185 is right, lean that bike hard once realizing you are too hot when in a corner. It is amazing how far it will lean, and you will make it thru, then you will have a better understanding of the machine's capabilities. Braking in a hot turn, scary, but slight back only will also work. The back brake seems to have almost too much free travel to lock-up. Lots of movement on the lever for easy, gentle braking. I wonder how many newbee's to the Hayabusa have the same thing happen--entering a turn too hot. The smoothness of the Busa running down the road at 70 or 80 is very misleading to me, and when a 45 MPH curve comes up you need to get slowed down before entering it. With my heavy VTX 1800, it tells you what fast is, and you aren't lulled into thinking you are in complete control. Leaning a big bike in a curve is very limited. The Busa is different. It telegraphs nothing from high speed and RPM's to you. All you get is the sound of the wind around your helmet. It is seductively gentle, lulls you into an easy high speed drive, until one of those 45 MPH curves shows up.

Also, I had a near deer collision, and found that front brake extremely effective in stopping that wheel, matter of face a little too sensitive to lever pressure. The rear seems to have lots of travel before sliding, the front, not so. You easily can lock it up while at speed, but the bike is forgiving once it does lock up, and will stay upright the split second needed to let off and regain rotation.
At least it did for me at around 60 mph. BE CAREFUL of squeezing that front brake lever very hard in a panic situation.

The Hayabusa is fabulous, after what--9 years of production, it still is FABULOUS!
 
As for the SHORTS. Well lets just say " I took a Shower when I got Home that Night "
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that is what we call the bung hole puckers lol

like i said "WE'VE all been there"

just remember that rear braking while banked over helps you actually shrink your radius and you can bring the bike in tighter

also take this for what its worth

if your banked over far and the bike is pushing to the outside of the turn
if you were to hit the curb while banked over you can actually ride the curb better than if you were upright and trying to ride the curb

example (its a visual thing)
take your hand and make a C or the profile of the tire with it
now lean your hand to represent the lean angle of the bike
now think of how the curb is going to interact with the tire when they touch
the curb will actually be touching the center patch of the tire and not the sidewall

just watch a AMA super bike, motogp or a world super bike race and watch for what im talking about

i dont want you to think im preaching here im just trying to explain a little theory

i think EVERYONE should go to a track day weather you bring your bike or you rent one there it will be a very learning day for the average rider
 
Great advice about the curb KD185. Yes, I cupped my hands and can visualize what you are saying. I just hope I have the guts left to ride her out once I see the curb. Best to get slowed down I know, but sometimes you f.u. and ooops!

BTW, KD, do you believe in counter steering the Hayabusa? I have been doing it as that was the way I have ridden large cruiser style bikes for the past melinium. It works well, and the other day when in that curve too hot, I instinctively counter steered a bit more to drop my busa to the lowest possible point to gain the extremely low steering angle to make the turn...It worked!

The problem with most country roads and state highways around here there is no curb, just a gravel pavement drop off. So all you have helping you corner in a sharp turn is the natural crown of the lane you are riding in. Once you pass that crown and slide into the other lane, the crown will be opposite and you will very quickly find yourself heading for the marbles.

I love that Hayabusa. The main thing is to stay with it when things get a little hairy. Don't give up and try to jump, or drive off into the ditch. It will amaze you of it's capabilities to survive.
 
That's one thing you learn very quickly with the Busa - life comes at you much faster than you're used to...if you survive that first "mistake" you learn plenty
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Glad you saved it...
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Well 4wd
here we go
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yes sometimes we all Fup and where headed into someplace much faster ( or with no brakes or a flat tire --those were the days lol)) than we are accustomed to
the trick to riding is to make your corrections and a commitment and stick to it
theres no getting half way through and saying "not today"
thats when you have to pick yourself up in the ditch if your lucky

a quote from a track mentor of mine
and its true weather you believe it or not trust me
"the bike will go faster and handle better with out you on it than with you on it"

you just have think I can make it through this turn no matter how uncomfortable you feel
unless your completely out of control you can probable add an additional 20% more mph and make it just fine

the curb theory isn't something to be practiced on the street (although it works and looks really cool) but keeping it in the back of your mind may save your ass someday

As far as counter steering
counter steering is like masturbating
EVERYONE DOES IT
the ones that claim they don't do it unconsciously
oh yeah and my grandmother doesn't do either

but honestly if you ever ride aggressively or at high rates of speed
you have to be doing some level of counter steering and the more you use it the easier it becomes to use and the bike will start to feel better
eventually it becomes second nature and instinctive and you don't even realize your doing it till you come across some event (like yours) that you latter diagnose in your mind and you realize what you were doing and why it worked so well

think of the profile of your tire as a cone
the center of the tire is the big diameter and the neck of the cone as the side wall
now roll the cone and notice the radius it makes
well as you lean your tires they do the same thing
the front tire doesn't steer the bike (unless your in a parking lot)
what actually steers your bike is as you counter steer and instinctively leaning your putting the bike into the side wall and the cone radius starts to take effect

as far as the street roads
let me see if i can make this clear
public roads SUCK
no curbs to help save your ass
soft runoffs, gravel and sand will only suck you into the marbles
and if you've ever been banked over and traveled across the high point of the road and started to (what feels like sliding on ice) ride the negative camber side of the crown its what you call unsettling
and lets not get into pot holes, sewer grates or man holes
again if you've ever ridden the track you'll find in some instances its a much safer feeling ride

as far as the busa
owning a hayabusa is like handing a loaded gun to a child
with that much handling braking and acceleration its real easy for ANYONE to get them selves into trouble
damn i love my busa

but enough of my opinions
I'm getting away from the computer screen and taking my busa out for a ride
 
Perfect pratice perfects riding skills. Divide your cornering up in three segments: entry, mid-corner and exit. Divide your segments up into sub- segments. Put it on paper to remember and pratice SLOWLY AT FIRST
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Thank you kd. That explanation of counter steering and cone radius is the best explanation I have ever read about what is going on when leaning in a turn. You are right, there is no steering going on, it is all in the cone radius.

Like vabusa said above "life comes at you much faster than you're used to...if you survive that first "mistake" you learn plenty " and what you said "owning a hayabusa is like handing a loaded gun to a child" both you guys are correct.

I've ran 20k miles on my VTX, and have had more scares in the 360 break-in miles I have ridden the Busa.

Thanks so much for your sharing insights and inputs here. I've learned more on this web site the past week than anywhere else about my new Hayabusa, operating characterists, riding safety, aftermarket options, etc, etc, etc. There is a lot of experienced talent sharing with us Busa newbees in here.

The site is great, and the Busa is great. Glad I googled in this site last week.
Mark
 
oh yeah and another thing
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a chassis ALWAYS handles better under acceleration than it will under braking or deceleration
the weight is shifted to the back and the rear suspension is squatted
so always try to be on the throttle at least somewhat or some neutral throttle while banked over in a turn
try it
it will give you a more confident feeling

just like what Big Red was saying

do all your braking in your 1st segment
then you initiate the turn and roll on the throttle
when the chassis has taken a set then you start to accelerate in the 3rd segment

remember and take it for what its worth

thats in a perfect scenario
and i haven't seen to many of those lately
everyone has different riding styles
99% of all turns has some unique characteristics
and we won't even mentions our Fups

well me and the gf just got home from a beautiful night out with the busa
couldn't ask for a nicer night than here in Connecticut tonight
hope she doesn't to get jealous of the busa

ken
 
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