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Busa vs. Ducati
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I am also planning on going to a motorcycle safety and riding course. And I will definately be locking up whatever new bike I get until I get good on the cheap trainer first.
OB_godzuki 31
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First bike, Get a bike thats already scratched or beat to hell.Hawk-SV.If you got a bus you would never appreciate what it is.You have nothing to compare it to.If you do get a Bus just get an extra set of bodywork with it.
OB_c_rod2000
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hey Jdmoney, it aint that easy. you will ride the bike the first day you get it! Its like a kid on christmas but he cant open his present.If you do have the money buy a new/used 600or 750!Even newer ones are going for pretty cheap considering the 600's are only $8,000 new.If it was me i would buy a bike to learn on for the rest of the summer and then buy a 2001 model next spring.
I have two friends that have 748's. One is a 99 748E and another a 00 748S. I've ridden the 748S. I also have a 00 Busa. I'll tell you that if you're an experienced rider, the 748S is a great handling bike. The tighter the road, the better it gets. It's light, and very stable. You can carry lots of speed into a corner with this bike. Unlimited ground clearance helps too. It is inarguably the best handling sportbike you can buy off the showroom. But it has many negatives. You sit on the bike and your a s s is up in the air as if you're telling people to ream you! The bars are way low so your supporting almost all your weight on your wrists. The footpegs are way high so if you've got long legs, you're folded up. The seat? What seat? It's got a freakin' black padding that's it. That cool exhaust tucked up inside the rear fairing cooks your legs AND your a s s. The engine is smooth and sweet with lots of torgue down low and in the middle. But believe me, the Busa is way more powerful. Overall, the 748 is a bike that you can ride for 200 miles a day as long as you're always moving. Forget stop & go's. You'll get fried on the seat(almost literally) and your wrists & neck will develop permanent pain. It's a track bike plain & simple. Out in the twisties, you will feel like Foggerty or Bostrom just glidin' through the turns. But you pay a big price in terms of comfort, cost, insurance, & lots of expensive maintenance.
The Busa is a way better overall bike than the 748. It will do almost everything very well and still go VERY fast. It will NEVER keep up with the 748 in the tight twisties though. During rides, I'm all over my friend and his 748 in the faster turns. In fact, he lets me lead in those sections cause I'm faster. But in the tight, 2nd gear hairpins, he leads and leaves me behind. Not too much but I do loose sight of him. You just can't get over 100 lbs. less mass when you're turning hard!
I would not consider either bike as a first bike or even a beginner's bike. Especially not the Hayabusa. I went from a ZX11 to a Busa and I still had to get used to the power increase and the light throttle. You just don't go from a learner's bike to a race bike or a 200 mph bike in a year's time and expect to go blindingly fast. It doesn't happen that way. In 99.9% of the cases, it's experience, knowledge & cool nerves that determine how fast you can go. Some years ago I had the unfortunate luck of meeting a young guy who just bought himself a ZX7R(he was riding a CB250 for 12 months in the city) and was bragging to everyone how fast he can now go in the twisties 'cause he had himself a race bike. He just had to show his friends how fast he can take a corner. He ended up wrapping himself around a Pine Tree at 100+ mph. It took a couple of hours for people to figure out where he landed(the skid marks led them there). Man! That was a cold day in The Mtn.
My advice is: Learn how to ride well in the streets & the twisties on a bike that's small, light & agile. Once you've begun to exceed the bike's capabilities, then get yourself a fast sportbike.
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The Busa is a way better overall bike than the 748. It will do almost everything very well and still go VERY fast. It will NEVER keep up with the 748 in the tight twisties though. During rides, I'm all over my friend and his 748 in the faster turns. In fact, he lets me lead in those sections cause I'm faster. But in the tight, 2nd gear hairpins, he leads and leaves me behind. Not too much but I do loose sight of him. You just can't get over 100 lbs. less mass when you're turning hard!
I would not consider either bike as a first bike or even a beginner's bike. Especially not the Hayabusa. I went from a ZX11 to a Busa and I still had to get used to the power increase and the light throttle. You just don't go from a learner's bike to a race bike or a 200 mph bike in a year's time and expect to go blindingly fast. It doesn't happen that way. In 99.9% of the cases, it's experience, knowledge & cool nerves that determine how fast you can go. Some years ago I had the unfortunate luck of meeting a young guy who just bought himself a ZX7R(he was riding a CB250 for 12 months in the city) and was bragging to everyone how fast he can now go in the twisties 'cause he had himself a race bike. He just had to show his friends how fast he can take a corner. He ended up wrapping himself around a Pine Tree at 100+ mph. It took a couple of hours for people to figure out where he landed(the skid marks led them there). Man! That was a cold day in The Mtn.
My advice is: Learn how to ride well in the streets & the twisties on a bike that's small, light & agile. Once you've begun to exceed the bike's capabilities, then get yourself a fast sportbike.
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I haven't ridden the 748 but I got a ride on a buddies 996 all day Saturday (thank god it had a tank bag) and I gota tell ya, its a bike you would grow to love, twins are just the best. Having said that, if I could only have one, its the busa hands down.
The busa just does everything well, period. How a bike could have this kind of performance and yet chug around in city traffic with no problem is really amazing. Its funny but at medium corner speeds (where most guys ride) the busa has much lighter steering and the extra weight is unnoticeable. I think you would have
to push that last 5 percent of corner performance before you could really appreciate the Duc.
Although the duc is absolutely beautiful, the busa has to be the most recognizable bike on the planet. Now everyone gets comments on their bike but I have never in my life had a bike or been around a bike that
makes the general public (women) go out of their way to walk across the parking lot to pay a complement.
Bottom line...there is just something really neat about pulling up to a stop light on the fastest production bike in the world.
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The busa just does everything well, period. How a bike could have this kind of performance and yet chug around in city traffic with no problem is really amazing. Its funny but at medium corner speeds (where most guys ride) the busa has much lighter steering and the extra weight is unnoticeable. I think you would have
to push that last 5 percent of corner performance before you could really appreciate the Duc.
Although the duc is absolutely beautiful, the busa has to be the most recognizable bike on the planet. Now everyone gets comments on their bike but I have never in my life had a bike or been around a bike that
makes the general public (women) go out of their way to walk across the parking lot to pay a complement.
Bottom line...there is just something really neat about pulling up to a stop light on the fastest production bike in the world.
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OB_DangerMouse
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If you bottle it mid bend and back off the throttle on a 748 it will stand up and do a pretty good job of making you part of the scenery.
Busa's are easy to ride but are bitches if you get into trouble on them (too hard into a bend etc) due to the sheer weight of the thing.
Get a 600 and learn to ride before you take on the Busa's and Dukes of the world.
You'll only look stupid wobbling around like a nun on such capable machines anyhow.
Busa's are easy to ride but are bitches if you get into trouble on them (too hard into a bend etc) due to the sheer weight of the thing.
Get a 600 and learn to ride before you take on the Busa's and Dukes of the world.
You'll only look stupid wobbling around like a nun on such capable machines anyhow.
OB_JDMoney7
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Hmmm, what do you guys think about a Yamaha R1?
OB_Thradar
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WTF? You don't even know how to ride and you want a Duc 748 or a Busa? Buy a body bag while you're at it...or do the intelligent thing and learn on the "cheap bike" you're talking about.
OB_JDMoney7
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Ok, this is a follow-up to my previous question. Right now I've got it down to 2 choices: Ducati 748 or the Busa'. Any advise or suggestions on these choices would be helpful. And I am planning to get a cheap bike to learn to ride on.
OB_Pilotwhale
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I have to say what I always tell the beginners I meet, Be carefull, dress and act like you will go down. I went down so many times I cannot recall, from going too fast and having too much fun, stupid *** dogs, oil on the road, low tire pressure, hardly ever got too hurt, just road rash, minor things like a broken hand... I was lucky. My best friend is dead from one ride. A ride without a helmet since his new girlfriend told him helmets were not cool... and a bad back tire and slick road and a attitude he was invinceable. It all adds up.
Get a cheep bike, learn what it feels like to make a mistake before you get the baddest ride on the road, and then have to be carefull....
Ride to live, live to ride.
Get a cheep bike, learn what it feels like to make a mistake before you get the baddest ride on the road, and then have to be carefull....
Ride to live, live to ride.
OB_Dead-on-busa
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Why does everone assume that you will ride like you`re on a track when you get on a Busa ? I`m teaching a friend of mine to ride and he rides my Busa and I ride his GPZ500 (its gotta be at least 700cc to take the test), tomorrow he will take the practical license test on the Busa.
I think its a good bike to learn on cause you wont have to rev it, just shift at 3000rpm and it goes smooth and fine all the way to the speedlimit.
Its all about selfcontrol and personallity
if you can go slow on a Busa, you have to be mature enough to stand out of the crowd and go slow. =)=)
Just some of my brain leaking on to the board.
I think its a good bike to learn on cause you wont have to rev it, just shift at 3000rpm and it goes smooth and fine all the way to the speedlimit.
Its all about selfcontrol and personallity
if you can go slow on a Busa, you have to be mature enough to stand out of the crowd and go slow. =)=)
Just some of my brain leaking on to the board.
OB_JohnnyB
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I have a 'Busa & 996
I do mostly local riding in the twisties, not many long trips. I probably choose the Duc 4/5 times just because it's so nimble & fun. I ride with some guys with 748's & the 'Busa can keep right with them in the twisties. The 748's are not slow bikes by the way. I've seen them going 150.
If you will be doing some long rides choose the 'Busa. For short local blasts it's definately the Duc.
I do mostly local riding in the twisties, not many long trips. I probably choose the Duc 4/5 times just because it's so nimble & fun. I ride with some guys with 748's & the 'Busa can keep right with them in the twisties. The 748's are not slow bikes by the way. I've seen them going 150.
If you will be doing some long rides choose the 'Busa. For short local blasts it's definately the Duc.
OB_JDMoney7
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I think I'll start out on a nice, used Katana 600. It's gotton a lot of recommends and looks pretty good(well, at least to me). The Busa will wait (A little while at least). With more skill under my belt, I might just get the Busa next season. In the mean time, I can just have fun riding the Kat into the ground(literally or not!):-)
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I'd rather have the SV 650..it is lighter, with no fairings to destroy, and very sporty...but the Kat is an excellent choice too...more comfort, some protection from the elements, somewhat faster and more powerfull and smoother...it also is a better bike than most riders, and if you like it, who cares what we think anyway! Kudos!
You're not going to the track...just buy the Busa. Why screw with anything else. Comfy, fast, nice to look at, bragging rights, cheaper than Ducati, parts more available, Valves need less adjustment, nonbikers, who statistically you run into more, don't know a Ducati from a Fiat so exclusivity actually limited. They do understand "fastest bike in the world." Decision made.
Lee
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Lee
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I said it once Ill say it again...Don't get Either One. You ARE going to drop the bike. Little stupid mistakes like forgetting to take the DAMN bike lock off. Or slowing down while in a turn will make you fall if you slow too hard. maybe you forget the kick stand. get a smaller slower cheaper bike, it's the same differance as giving a private a hand gun or a nuclear bomb.
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