Painless4u posted this. Is this BS? Has anyone tried?
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Controversial Engine Break-In Method?
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I did that to break in my wife's GS500F last Christmas. It didn't create any notable problems. However, I haven't pulled the engine apart to see if it look beautiful inside. I also never dyno'd it either before or after.
Still, what he says on his site makes a lot of sense in a way.
So do a lot of scams.
Sorry I'm no help!
--Wag--
Still, what he says on his site makes a lot of sense in a way.
So do a lot of scams.
Sorry I'm no help!
--Wag--
lots of people break it in hard no problems with mine.
I'm using the motoman method to break in my '05 (740 miles so far) as it does make alot of sense. My last new bike I broke in per the manufacturer's recommendations and it always used a little oil (Suzuki GS1000G). So far so good, and no problems.
denver_red
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This break-in question always amazes me. So this hot shot has done this to 300 engines and is showing us the holy grail of engine break-in (what about long term effects?). I see that Honda just announced it has sold its 50 Millionth motorcycle. I would assume that Suzuki is some fraction of that 50 million number. So then logic dictates that a garage mechanic knows more of what's best for our motorcycles after 300 engines, as compared to Suzuki's design and manufacure of millions of motorcycles (including AMA and MotoGP engines) and many many years of experience.
From a statistical perspective all of these comments are only anectdotal. They have no statistical meaning of the actual effects. For example, one cannot break in a engine using the Suzuki way, and get a lifetime's worth of reliable use, and then break it in using this method and compare the same engine/motorcycle. What happens is that we draw illogical conclusions from a single data point and think an accurate comparison is made.
As a mechanical engineer with 23 years' experience, I'll stick with what manufacturer tells me.
Tom
PS, If you read the article Grudge Match, Suzuki took a brand new Busa and did twenty five 1/4 mile runs against a ZX-12R. No Break-in. Do you suppose this engine suffered any long term effects from full-out runs without break-in? Suzuki knows. They don't tell us to break it in this way, now do they?
From a statistical perspective all of these comments are only anectdotal. They have no statistical meaning of the actual effects. For example, one cannot break in a engine using the Suzuki way, and get a lifetime's worth of reliable use, and then break it in using this method and compare the same engine/motorcycle. What happens is that we draw illogical conclusions from a single data point and think an accurate comparison is made.
As a mechanical engineer with 23 years' experience, I'll stick with what manufacturer tells me.
Tom
PS, If you read the article Grudge Match, Suzuki took a brand new Busa and did twenty five 1/4 mile runs against a ZX-12R. No Break-in. Do you suppose this engine suffered any long term effects from full-out runs without break-in? Suzuki knows. They don't tell us to break it in this way, now do they?
Aw come on Denver...it was in a magazine therefore it MUST BE TRUE!
I've got a friend that's like that, he can't change a spark plug but anything he reads in a magazine, see's on TV or is recommended by the $5.00 an hour stealership counter guy is gospel. I'll never forget when he ran out and bought a big can of RESTORE after watching the infomercial. "It was this news show and the guy ran his car around a track and it really ran faster so it must be true!"
Ya know, I think that break in method is great if I need to get a race only bike out on the track right now...of course the engine is also going to be pulled and rebuilt on a regular basis.
I think I'll start believing in that method when MANY people start racking up 100,000 miles on their bikes without ever having to split the cases.
Currently all we have are people giving a big thumbs up after racking up a couple of thousand miles. Also makes you wonder when you start reading about new bikes like the R1's spinning bearings left and right to the point Yamaha is ready to have them "broke in" before delivery.
Ya know, I think that break in method is great if I need to get a race only bike out on the track right now...of course the engine is also going to be pulled and rebuilt on a regular basis.
I think I'll start believing in that method when MANY people start racking up 100,000 miles on their bikes without ever having to split the cases.
Currently all we have are people giving a big thumbs up after racking up a couple of thousand miles. Also makes you wonder when you start reading about new bikes like the R1's spinning bearings left and right to the point Yamaha is ready to have them "broke in" before delivery.
Don't you think the manufacturers may be preventing any headaches for themselves from new engines being broken in improperly by being run too hard early. It seems that a new engine that is run too hard too often early on has more potential to have engine problems and would have lots of people wanting warranty replacemet engines.Aw come on Denver...it was in a magazine therefore it MUST BE TRUE!I've got a friend that's like that, he can't change a spark plug but anything he reads in a magazine, see's on TV or is recommended by the $5.00 an hour stealership counter guy is gospel. I'll never forget when he ran out and bought a big can of RESTORE after watching the infomercial. "It was this news show and the guy ran his car around a track and it really ran faster so it must be true!"
Ya know, I think that break in method is great if I need to get a race only bike out on the track right now...of course the engine is also going to be pulled and rebuilt on a regular basis.
I think I'll start believing in that method when MANY people start racking up 100,000 miles on their bikes without ever having to split the cases.
Currently all we have are people giving a big thumbs up after racking up a couple of thousand miles. Also makes you wonder when you start reading about new bikes like the R1's spinning bearings left and right to the point Yamaha is ready to have them "broke in" before delivery.
Yeah I heard the motoGP bikes are required to have a 1000 miles per manuel on the motor before they stage for the race. NOT.
My opinion is break in your bike the way you want, I chose to break it in hard , very hard and aside from some brake pads and tires the engine and tranny seem to be working fine. Now the clutch is starting to fade but I think that is my fault.
My opinion is break in your bike the way you want, I chose to break it in hard , very hard and aside from some brake pads and tires the engine and tranny seem to be working fine. Now the clutch is starting to fade but I think that is my fault.
Maybe the manufacture is telling you the wrong way to make money on the parts that prematurally go bad inside the eng9ine if you do it by the manual.
The lame kickstand comes to mind. The cost for OEM Parts etc etc.
The lame kickstand comes to mind. The cost for OEM Parts etc etc.
I've used this method for my last 3 bikes. All are still running strong, and havent had an issue. It's all up to you, don't let anyone tell you how you have to do it unless they are going to pay for your repairs.
Lots of people i know have gone in for that method of break in... but then again, I dont really know if it has helped with the performance of the engine in anyway. I didnt follow any kind of break in on my bike.. I just rode her like a usually ride, from day 1 and she has been doing good
IMO, the new age engines are made up of better quality meterials... hence the breakin is not of much importance... then again its my opinion, and lots of people will not agree with me on that issue
Windjammer
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If you have lots of money to throw at it break it in hard and fast don't give the rings and bearings a chance to seat properly smooth the inside of the cylinder walls and see if it burns oil. There are what appears to be hash marks on a cylider wall and they should be visible if they are not you have issues you will find out about soon. I have been a mech for over 20 yrs and I haven't owned anything that burned oil due to breaking it in easy for the first 500 miles. I doubt Suzuki tells us to break it in first so they can replace motors or parts under warranty. Under warranty they make no money replacing engines. A good mech can tell what you have done to cause the problems they see. Spun bearings lack of oil from riding wheelies not likly on the Busa but you get the point. The mechs were tought early how to identify rpoblems or they wouldn't be able to diagnose the problems they hear feel or see. So do what you feel is right and if you think you know more than the guys that built the fastest bike around maybe you should give them a call and see if they'll hire you. Just my 2 cents.
04GSXR1300
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Looking back on all the motors I have broken in, I would have to say, getting on the gas early never hurt me. I always like to get into higher gears, then jump on it for a second or two. I never had an oil leak on a motor I broke in. I never thought about the cross hatch on the liners though, that makes sense.
My opinion also. The article even suggests that as well. Been a while since I've read it but I seem to recall that the HP gains are only in the 2-3% range. Hardly enough to indicate that one way is actually better. The piston pictures, however, are rather compelling. Still, I'd like to see that kind of photo on a bike after 20,000 miles and after 50,000 miles.IMO, the new age engines are made up of better quality meterials... hence the breakin is not of much importance... then again its my opinion, and lots of people will not agree with me on that issue
Denver's right. There's some statistical leanings here but nothing factually convincing.
I must say, however, it didn't seem like the guy was actually selling anything. Adds a little bit to his credibility, dontcha think?
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Big Bad BlackSS
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Can the dealer pull up the engine history like on new cars? Say if bike owner X goes in for his "manatory" first oil change and checkup. Ca the dealer check the computer and see what the max RPM so far has been? I know on newer cars they can tell stuff like this. Wondering about the bikes with EFI now. WOnder if they can do this and void warrenties???
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