Did "ADHD" exist back in the '30s?

WWJD

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Did "ADHD" exist back in the '30s?

Seriously, think about it. We've done nothing but oversaturate our lives.... we only have TWO arms, TWO legs, TWO eyes, TWO ears.... why do we try to do so much more than we wer designed to do? It causes migraines, stress, relationship problems.... for what? MONEY?

Did people back in 1930s suffer these amazing illnesses: ADHA, SAD [seasonal affective disorder(Im not kidding there)]
or require a PDA just to keep up with their own lives? ? How did they EVER POSSIBLY run a business without a computer? Build buildings? How did they give birth without 5 million dollars of hospital equipment and insurance?

Do we HAVE TO BE so personally polluted and distracted by doing stuff in life that keeps us from having the time to do what we LIVE FOR? Think about it.

Carlin has an explitive demonstration right here: [yeah I'm sure it's a repost - save your Vin J-pegs]
 
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Wow, repeat that 5 times............or just once. George Carlin is still cool!!
 
Honestly, there is no way my performance level in life would be up to task without my technology.

I am not saying I agree with it. but for example.

I think it would be just awesome if we got rid of every fuel burning vehicle in the world and all went back to riding horses, yes, even the Busa's and all other motorcycles.

But it isn’t going to happen. if all vehicles we destroyed and we ALL had to ride horses or donkeys or some other animal or walk, then we would all be on an even playing field.

But until that happens, I wont cripple myself and put myself behind the curve. I am not trying to keep up with the Jones's, I am trying to keep up with the fast pace of life that has been thrust upon me by society.

My computer and PDA is what stores all my contacts and all my appointments, and birthdays and anniversary's

Your are right WWJD. I am overwhelmed, I could not keep up with my life if I did not have technology to help..

But trust me. if the world was forced to give up ALL of its technology at the same time, no lights, no electricity, no vehicles, no planes I would be more than fine.

About the only thing I really think I would personally miss is the convenience of a refrigerator. Other than that. Bring back the horses and the simple life.

Yeah I know. I could always become Amish. Trust me. I have thought about it.
 
So, many of us KNOW this fact, but we CAN'T live it [I love my Nintendo, but could live without it] because society is too far over the brink to bring it back. But what are we doing about it? I, personally, am reducing clutter - started with my cell phone. I'm saying enough is enough

We have also lost our FAMILY - we don't grow up with someone next door, grow with them and marry them, we search accross america. We work much further from our home than should be neccessary thus spending less time with those we love? ? Huh?

But, does anyone know: did ADD ADHD exist in the 30's?
 
and thrasher, I bet there'd be a way around a fridge.

I couldn't go Amish all at once. I have experienced too much now to go back.
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It's a question of productivity. In the 1600's, it took three months of hard labor to produce a loaf of bread.

Now, we do it every 10 seconds. One person does the work of 100 men from back then.

Etc. etc.

I like my creature comforts. I know what I have and would not be happy giving it up. Simple as that.

--Wag--
 
Did ADHD exist back in the 30's? Anyone?


If not, does that mean our "Lifestyle" is creating "diseases" now, instead of germs, bugs, or natural problems?
 
Sorry, what was the question? I lost interest after I watched George Carlin... THe doctor prescribed ritalin, but I keep forgetting to tak... Oh look, a shiny quarter!!!!
 
A very good doctor (and close friend) who has since left us, said many times than 80% of what ails everyone today could be eliminated by just getting away from the processed adn "chemically enhanced" foods. This means preservatives as well.

He was still one of the top surgeons in the area at 70.

Just something to think about.

I have more thoughts but will keep them to myself.
 
(yamahor @ Mar. 20 2007,09:52) Sorry, what was the question? I lost interest after I watched George Carlin... THe doctor prescribed ritalin, but I keep forgetting to tak... Oh look, a shiny quarter!!!!
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...believe it or not... that would be me on a typical day!
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I'd have to think that it has been around since then, WWJD, but we just didn't recognize it and tag it for what it was~ Most likely just wrote it off as "He's just a bit scatter brained" or something to that effect~ Couldn't really say based upon fact... just speculation~
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I think I will walk the fence on this.


I think the answer is YES AND NO

I think ADD and ADHD did exists in the 30's AND before, HOWEVER. I don’t think the symptoms were as bad as they are today and back then the symptoms of ADD and ADHA were able to be controlled by good ol fashion will power.


I think today, with all the added stress's in life, added peer pressure, huge amounts of chemicals we are exposed to on a daily basis I think the symptoms are often at a level that is more difficult for a person to control with will power.

Now, couple this with the enabling affect of someone being labeled ADD or ADHD, now they have an “excuse†for their behavior which often impacts their desire to utilize will power to control themselves. They can now fall back on “I have ADHD!! You don’t know what it is like!!†and you have medical and psychological professionals backing this up enabling kids to act out in class because now they â€know†they have something they cant control (or at least that is what they are told) and they often don’t even try to control it.

Parents are caught sort of in the middle, their guts often tell them the kid needs a good spanking, the government is trying to say you cant spank your kids, health care professionals are saying your kid doesn’t need to be spanked, your child needs to be medicated and just needs their space.

So I guess my thought is there isn’t a single answer, I think it is a combination of a lot of things, and as such the solution needs to be addressed per individual and the parents need to take full responsibility for their children and try to foster a sense of responsibility in their children.

What do I base all this on? Experience. I have a child that is considered ADD, my wife and I have been struggling with this for a few years and after trial and error I think things are getting on track. But it has been kind of a long road trying to balance all the different thoughts and advice and trying to apply it to one specific human being based on what you know about that human being.

I will add this, when I was growing up I didn’t have a dad. I remember a few times in my life when I was “out of control†and all it took was an adult to get my attention.

I remember being in 5th grade, me and this other kid messing around in class. Had a male teacher. I still remember him as being a big man (not fat, just tall and strong) he took me and this other kid outside, grabbed us both by the front of our shirts and lifted us off the ground a few feet and pressed us against the wall, told us to NEVER screw around in his class again in a very firm manner.

Guess what? I didn’t get hurt, the teacher never touched me the rest of the school year, because he never had to. He got my attention, I never distracted his class again and I held and inherent amount of respect for him after that. AND I did well in his class

I look back on my life now and I think I probably would have been labeled ADD or ADHD. But there were no “crutches†available back then and society had no issues with schools spanking the kids or parents laying a smack down if needed. Kids were forced to comply and they did (most of the time) and guess what? Most of those kids grew up with morals, with a sense of personal responsibility for their own actions, not learning how to blame things on everyone and everything else.

I have had a few other times in my life where either my mom punched me out, or my step dad basically knocked me senseless.. guess what? For me.. all those times were needed. Every time I crossed a line so far that someone laid a smack down on me it brought me back in line.

Do all kids need to get a smack down laid on them? NO. do all kids need to be spanked? NO.

But some do, and it is to their benefit.

I feel for the most part our society is raising kids that are being trained that they don’t have to take personal responsibility for their actions, because there is either always someone else to blame, or some medical conduction to blame.

We are raising kids who have no morals, because they are being raised by parents who have lost theirs.

We are raising kids who have no respect for ANYTHING because they are being raised by parents who have LOST respect for all things.
 
Just read, coincidently, the following article on MSN....


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NEW YORK -- Researchers are studying a pervasive psychological phenomenon in which oh man we've got to finish doing the taxes this weekend ... C'mon, admit it. Your train of thought has derailed like that many times. It's just mind-wandering. We all do it, and surprisingly often, whether we're struggling to avoid it or not.
Mainstream psychology hasn't paid much attention to this common mental habit. But a spate of new studies is chipping away at its mysteries and scientists say the topic is beginning to gain visibility.

Someday, such research may turn up ways to help students keep their focus on textbooks and lectures, and drivers to keep their minds on the road. It may reveal ways to reap payoffs from the habit.

And it might shed light on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which can include an unusually severe inability to focus that causes trouble in multiple areas of life.

More generally, scientists say, mind-wandering is worth studying because it's just too common to ignore.

Michael Kane, a psychologist at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, sampled the thoughts of students at eight random times a day for a week. He found that on average, they were not thinking about what they were doing 30 percent of the time.

For some students it was between 80 and 90 percent of the time. Out of the 126 participants, only one denied any mind-wandering at the sampled moments.

Prior work has also turned up average rates of 30 percent to 40 percent in everyday life.

"If you want to understand people's mental lives, this is a phenomenon we ought to be thinking about," Kane said.

Of course, a lot of mind-wandering is harmless, as when you think about a work problem while munching a cheeseburger. The problem comes when it distracts you from something you should be paying attention to.

The result of that can be tragic. Kane noted the 2003 case of a college professor who drove to work in Irvine, Calif., one hot August day, parked and went to his office. Whatever was going through his mind, he'd lost track of the fact that his 10-month-old son was in the back seat. The boy died in the heat. In 2004, virtually the same thing happened in Santa Ana, Calif.

A more common task that demands concentration is reading. Even here, people's minds wander 15 to 20 percent of the time, said Jonathan Schooler of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. And they often don't realize it, he said.

He and colleagues had college students read passages from "War and Peace" and other books. The volunteers pushed a button every time they noticed their thoughts straying, and that happened regularly, Schooler said.

But more surprisingly in such experiments, when the volunteers are interrupted at random times and asked what they're thinking, "we regularly catch people's minds wandering before they've noticed it themselves," Schooler said. And these stealth episodes appear to hamper reading comprehension, he said.

In Kane's study, scheduled for publication later this year, volunteers carried devices that beeped at random times and asked questions about their thoughts. Most of the time when caught mind-wandering, the students said they'd deliberately stopped focusing on what they were doing.

Their wandering thoughts trained more on everyday things than on fantasies, and much more than on worries. That's similar to what previous studies have found. "A lot of what they're reporting is ... mental to-do lists," Kane said.

But what leads to this?

"The mind is always trying to wander, every chance it gets," Schooler said. In his view, the mind has not only the goal of achieving whatever task we're focused on, but also personal goals simmering outside of our immediate awareness. These are things like making plans for the future, working out everyday problems, and better understanding oneself. Sometimes, one of these goals hijacks our attention. And so our mind wanders.

Brain-scanning evidence links mind-wandering to basic operation of the brain. Malia Mason of Harvard's Massachusetts General Hospital and colleagues recently reported that mind-wandering taps into the same circuitry that people use when they're told to do nothing -- when their brains are on "idle."

Schooler, who's studying brain-wave activity associated with mind wandering, welcomes what he sees as a surge of interest in the topic. He and others say there's plenty to learn.

One goal is finding ways to help people realize when their mind is wandering and bring it under control, Schooler said. He plans to test whether meditation training might help.

But there's even a more basic question, he said. Why is the brain wired to wander? What could possibly be good about that?

"Mind-wandering is probably more often helpful than harmful," Kane said. For one thing, the cost is low: despite notable exceptions, life usually doesn't demand our full attention.

"A lot of human daily life is autopilot," he said. "There's a whole lot of what we need to do that we can do without thinking about it, from driving to eating .... We do occasionally miss that turn on the way home, but we get through the day pretty well."

Given that, a mechanism that encourages us to devote some idle brain capacity to planning and solving problems "seems like a pretty good use of time," he said.

Schooler is exploring the idea that mind-wandering promotes creativity. "It's unconstrained, it can go anywhere, which is sort of the perfect situation for creative thought," he said.

Mason points out that just because the human brain wanders doesn't necessarily mean there's a good reason for it. Maybe, she said, the mind wanders simply because it can.

But even she sees an upside.

"I can be stuck in my car in traffic and not go absolutely crazy because I'm not stuck in the here and now," she said. "I can think about what happened last night. And that's great."

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
(thrasherfox @ Mar. 20 2007,10:42) I think I will walk the fence on this.


I think the answer is YES AND NO

I think ADD and ADHD did exists in the 30's AND before, HOWEVER. I don’t think the symptoms were as bad as they are today and back then the symptoms of ADD and ADHA were able to be controlled by good ol fashion will power.


I think today, with all the added stress's in life, added peer pressure, huge amounts of chemicals we are exposed to on a daily basis I think the symptoms are often at a level that is more difficult for a person to control with will power.

Now, couple this with the enabling affect of someone being labeled ADD or ADHD, now they have an “excuse†for their behavior which often impacts they desire to utilize will power to control themselves. They can now fall back on “I have ADHD!! You don’t know what it is like!!†and you have medical and psychological professionals backing this up enabling kids to act out in class because now they â€know†they have something they cant control (or at least that is what they are told) and they often don’t even try to control it.

Parents are caught sort of in the middle, their guts often tell them the kid needs a good spanking, the government is trying to say you cant spank your kids, health care professionals are saying your kid doesn’t need to be spanked, your child need to be medicated and just needs their space.

So I guess my summary is there isn’t a single answer, I think it is a combination of a lot of things, and as such the solution needs to be addressed per individual and the parents need to take full responsibility for children and try to foster a sense of responsibility in their children.

What do I base all this on? Experience. I have a child that is considered ADD, my wife and I have been struggling with this for a few years and after trial and error I think things are getting on track. But it has been kind of a long road trying to balance all the different thoughts and advice and trying to apply it to one specific human being based on what you know about that human being.

I will add this, when I was growing up I didn’t have a dad. I remember a few times in my life when I was “out of control†and all it took was an adult to get my attention.

I remember being in 5th grade, me and this other kind messing around in class. Had a male teacher. I still remember him as being a big man (not fat, just tall and strong) he took me and this other kid outside, grabbed us both by the front of our shirts and lifted us off the ground a few feet and pressed us against the wall, told us to NEVER screw around in his class again in a very firm manner.

Guess what? I didn’t get hurt, the teacher never touched me the rest of the school year, because he never had to. He got my attention, I never distracted his class again and I held and inherent amount of respect for him after that. AND I did well in his school

I look back on my life now and I think I probably would have been labeled ADD or ADHD. But there were no “crutches†available back then and society had no issues with schools spanking the kids or parents laying a smack down if needed. Kids were forced to comply and they did (most of the time) and guess what? Most of those kids grew up with morals, with a sense of personal responsibility for their own actions, not learning how to blame things on everyone and everything else.

I have had a few other times in my life where either my mom punched me out, or my step dad basically knocked me senseless.. guess what? For me.. all those times were needed. Every time I crossed a line so far that someone laid a smack down on me it brought me back in line.

Do all kids need to get a smack down laid on them? NO. do all kids need to be spanked? NO.

But some do, and it is to their benefit.

I feel for the most part our society is raising kids that are being trained that they don’t have to take personal responsibility for their actions, because there is either always someone else to blame, or some medical conduction to blame.

We are raising kids who have no morals, because they are being raised by parents who have lost theirs.

We are raising kids who have no respect for ANYTHING because they are being raised by parents who have LOST respect for all things.
This is exactly where I was going, but did not think I would be heard. As the parent of an "alphabet kid" we all know the "type" (ADD, ADHD, OCD, MDD, ETC...), we have heard ever reason/excuse in the book. Seems like all of the advice comes from people within the psycological community who have all the answers because they have "done their homework". They have NO kids, most are not married, and only need to deal with the actions about an hour or so at a time. They then like to condemn the parents who have developed their own reaction to the actions of the child which work better than anything the "professionals" have suggested.

You go out in public and the kids acts out - It is all the fault of the parent for not keeping them in line. Until you correct them, then it is all the parents fault because they corrected them wrong.

Been there, done that, still wearing the T-shirt.

My feelings go out to every parent who deals with this on a daily basis.

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(thrasherfox @ Mar. 20 2007,10:42) We are raising kids who have no morals, because they are being raised by parents who have lost theirs.

We are raising kids who have no respect for ANYTHING because they are being raised by parents who have LOST respect for all things.
I'll have to disagree with these statements.. atleast on the part that they are not totally true~

This I can base on my own experience with my son~ One of my biggest pet peeves is that this is exactly whats wrong with our society today~ There is no more respect or common courtesy towards our fellow man/woman~
My son is of this generation~ It drove me crazy.. and drove us apart for many years.. as I tried everything I could to teach these things to him~ He had no respect for people or belongings~ Didn't seem to understand the value of things that belonged to him or others~
I like to think these things are still in me and shown by me, which made it even harder to understand why he was this way~ I still don't understand it, but like to believe that my constant drilling of lessons finally sunk into his own head~ Although the Army has helped with instilling respect into him... I still wonder if he understands and has respect for the value of his elders and the belongings of his own and others~ Example...
As most here know, he purschased a nice GSXR600 from DJ (SageRonin) last year~ DJ shipped the bike in damn near new looking condition~ I kept it that way for 6 months as it sat in my garage waiting for it's new owner to come home from over seas~ When he got here on a two week leave he rode the heck out of it pretty much nonstop the whole time~ I told him two days before he had to ship back out..."Be sure to wash your bike good before putting it up until you get home again"~ Needless to say.. he didn't even whipe it down with a dust rag! I'll go out to the garage and run it on the stands every other week or so and it pains me to see just how bad it looks, but I will not clean it up for him~ If it takes the paint pitting or whatever from sitting there for this long with the dirt and grim on it to teach him yet again about the value of something or to have respect for his machine.. then so be it~
Although for years he watched, and even at times helped, me or his mom keep our machines cleaned and polished after every ride... it still had seemingly no effect on the respect he has for his bike.. and he's 23 y/o now~ All my life lessons are pretty much done~ But I can't believe it was for my lack of respect.. or my lack of concideration for others.. that he has turned out this way, because it's all still in me and I do my damndest to project it onto him~  
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