Dual sport motorcycle

NCBusa2001

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Hey Y'all,

I think I want a dual sport. I've been looking on and off for a little while and can't decide. I want something big enough not to get blown around by traffic but light enough to be competent on the trails. I'm not planning on doing any exteme riding (Crashes hurt more now) or massive jumping, just fast paced trail riding. Any thoughts?

I'm kinda of leaning toward the Suzuki DRZ400 or a BMW k series. I know the military uses the Kawi but I don't know anything about them. The older DR650's look alright but heavy.

Do any of you have one lying around your garage that you might want to get rid of?

Any thoughts will be appreciated. Chris
 
Solid, Reliable, big enough for street riding, just a bit bulky offroad but rock solid with a pedigreed bloodline of offroad winners.

<span style='color:blue'>BMW F650GS</span>

This would be what I buy, loads of accesories and it should last a LONG time.

Just a thought. The Yellow might look pretty cool too.  And the Dakkar Version is the Mutts Nutts..

Rev



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Dakkar Version, The F650 is a little Porky, but by all accounts they handle very well...


Review from Webbikeworld.com:

Narrowly focused sportbikes to the left, massively overwrought tourers to the right...is there any place left for the simple, do-it-all motorcycle?

Sure there is, and far from becoming an endangered species, the lightweight enduro - a kind of motorcycle that embodies off-road capabilities alongside roadworthy manners tailored to please experienced and beginning riders alike - has become immensely popular around the world.

Between 1995 and 2003, BMW has sold more than 110,000 F 650s, with 32 percent of the latest versions going to female riders worldwide). What's more, some 21 percent of F 650 buyers were new riders. And now, for the 2005 model year, BMW's entry in the amazing category returns refined, refreshed and ready to do business. Crossing continents, crossing boundaries

No motorcycle can do everything, but the BMW F 650 GS and the F 650 GS Dakar come close. Based on the fundamentally flexible "enduro" concept, the F 650 line has been carefully developed to meet a broad range of requirements, to enable cross-country travel in comfort as well as jaunts across town with consummate ease. For example, the Dakar, with dirt-spec tire sizes and long-travel suspension, can truly be taken off road (unlike many similarly concepted but differently equipped enduros on the market) and yet sacrifices nothing in terms of on-road civility.

Central to this multi-role versatility is the F 650's relaxed, upright riding position that is the ideal compromise between on-road comfort and off-road control. For the new F 650 GS and F 650 GS Dakar, BMW has focused on improving the bike's ergonomic profile and making it even kinder to beginning and returning riders.

To this end, a new clutch lever featuring incremental span adjustments that provide riders with smaller hands improved control and comfort (an adjustable brake lever continues as standard.) New this year are myriad seating options for both the F 650 GS and the F 650 GS Dakar.

The GS comes with a standard low seat, and yet there is the option for an even lower seat height - as a no-cost option, the GS can be modified by the dealer with a different rear suspension link that, working in concert with repositioned fork tubes, reduces seat height to 29.5 in. (750mm). In addition, a taller seat is available for the GS that provides taller riders with extra legroom. A lower dual seat is available for the Dakar that reduces seat height 0.8 in. (20mm).

The GS's overall compact dimensions are made possible by a slender engine and a fuel tank located under the seat. Not only does this placement improve chassis packaging, it dramatically reduces the bike's overall center of gravity, making the GS feel smaller and lighter - considerations critical to the beginning rider.


New for 2005

This year, the F 650 GS and F 650 GS Dakar have new bodywork placed upon the strong and durable steel frame. A new clear-lens headlight puts more illumination on the road and works with entirely new windscreens to improve weather and wind protection. (Both screens may be removed for off-road use. In addition, a clear version of the taller screen fitted to the Dakar is available for the standard GS.)

Revised inserts alongside what would normally be the fuel tank distinguish the new model and improve cooling by allowing more air past the oil cooler (the fuel cell is located under the rider's seat for lowered center of gravity and improved handling.) Finally, the rear luggage rack has been redesigned to accept an optional top case without an adapter plate, as required in the past.

F Series- 2 Spark ignition for 2005

The F 650 is powered by a BMW-designed, single-cylinder engine embodying technologies not seen on other "thumpers." For 2005, the engine's technological resume stretches to include 2 Spark ignition for the four-valve cylinder head and a new and advanced BMS-C II computerized engine-control unit that dynamically manages spark and fuel delivery to suit any riding condition.

With these improvements, the liquid-cooled, 652cc engine produces fewer harmful exhaust emissions, is more fuel efficient, and has a torque peak at 4800 rpm instead of the previous model's 5000 rpm. In addition, the 2 Spark ignition system offers increased drivability, stronger mid-throttle response and greater engine flexibility. As before, the GS uses a three-way catalyst in the updated, stainless-steel exhaust system to meet the stringent Euro2 exhaust emissions requirements.


F 650 GS Dakar - True Off-Road Intentions

In addition to the standard F 650 GS - a model intended for mainly on-road escapades yet still more than capable of trips off the tarmac - BMW offers the F 650 GS Dakar. More than special paint, the Dakar embraces true off-the-beaten-path adventures with longer-travel suspension and special wheels sized to carry traditional dirt-oriented tires. Owing to the higher natural riding position, the GS Dakar sports a taller tinted windscreen that can be easily removed for off-highway treks.

Although the GS and GS Dakar may see different missions, they are both available with BMW's advanced ABS system, the only such single-cylinder bikes in this category for which this is true. To optimize the system for off-road use, the ABS may be switched off via a cockpit-mounted switch.


BMW Accessories

BMW owners, even those new to the fold, are staunch individualists, which is why there are so many options and accessories available for the new F 650 GS and F 650 GS Dakar. These include:

ABS II with rider-selectable defeat - This system is available on both the F 650 GS and GS Dakar.

Multiple seats - For the F 650 GS, there is a taller dual seat as well as a lowered-suspension option using the standard seat. For the Dakar, there is a lowered seat. Either the GS or the Dakar can be fitted with a special black single seat with luggage rack that provides the same seat height as the standard saddle.

Luggage - Several soft- and hard-luggage options, including variable-thickness hard saddlebags (Vario), soft bags for passenger seat and luggage rack, a hard top case, as well as liners for the hard bags.

Windscreen - A taller windscreen for the F 650 GS, similar to the F 650 GS Dakar's.

New hand guards

Heated hand grips

Anti-theft alarm

Engine protection kit

On-board computer installation kit.



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FUQ that! Those bikes are the ugliest things on the damn road. GEEZ! Just get the DRZ-400S and forget the rest. Go anywhere, anytime. Get em' for about $5000 OTD. Had one, it was tits.

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FUQ That?  That's the best you can do? It may be Ugly, but it's ugly like a Hummer... Purposefull and a true all arounder..

Though the Suzuki is cheap...must have been perfect...



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Lets get one thing straight: the DR-Z400S may wear street-legal clothing, but underneath its coat and tie youll find a full-on dirt bike thats ready to roost.

There's no hiding the DR-Z400S's heritage. It uses the same advanced suspension as the incredible DR-Z400 dirt bike, and that means its engineered for exceptional responsiveness on all kinds of trails. One of the keys to its versatility is a wide range of adjustability that lets you tune the suspension for practically any riding condition, from gnarly whoop-infested trails to wide-open desert roads. Another key is its lightweight design, which lets you flick it around tight trails at will.

Like any great dirt bike, the DR-Z400S boasts a gutsy engine that's built to run hard. It has strong torque across the powerband and crisp throttle response for tight, technical trails. At the same time, its big-bore, short-stroke design gives it maximum high-rpm performance, providing a top-end surge that lets you run strong on wide-open fire roads.
Its also liquid-cooled for consistent performance even on long, hot summer rides.
And, oh yes, when its time to run across town, the DR-Z400S is well equipped to make the trip enjoyable. It's remarkably smooth on the street, and it even has such niceties as electric starting for civil and convenient operation.

The DR-Z400S. Get it dirty and have some fun.
 
Hey guys thanks for the info. Revlis your points about BMW's dependability are of great importance to me. The last thing I want to have happen is a breakdown with a used bike on a trail in BFE. It seem that BMW has a decent rep, despite of the yuppie following.

On the other hand the DRZ seems to have no weight at all. I sat on one at a dealership and it felt like it wasn't even there. In addition the DRZ looks like it would be comfortable running in a pack of YZ's, CR's, and other dirt devils.

Maybe I'll just have to buy both, (once I win the lottery that is).

Chris
 
Hey guys thanks for the info.  Revlis your points about BMW's dependability are of great importance to me.  The last thing I want to have happen is a breakdown with a used bike on a trail in BFE.  It seem that BMW has a decent rep, despite of the yuppie following.  

On the other hand the DRZ seems to have no weight at all.  I sat on one at a dealership and it felt like it wasn't even there.  In addition the DRZ looks like it would be comfortable running in a pack of YZ's, CR's, and other dirt devils.  

Maybe I'll just have to buy both, (once I win the lottery that is).  

Chris
The Yuppie Following is sort of a cross to bear... One thing I have learned though about "Yuppie Shopping Habits". Generally speaking, they do their homework, so a lot of things purchased have been carefully selected among the class of vehicles available. Does this mean that everything dug by the Proffessional set is the best out there no, but what it means to me is that a goodly amount of the "Yuppie Prefered" equipment out there is going to be some damn nice stuff. In terms of reliability, durability, quality and all around performance it will provide a good value for the dollar.

I would be tempted to dig around and see about finding a good year old used F650 and ride the tits off it for the next 10 years....
 
What about KTM guys? I see alot of those going out of our showroom. Must be for a reason. I know theres a big following on them too.

Slava
 
DRZ400 ... NICE BIKE . AND WILL DO WHAT U WANT AT A REASONABLE PRICE.
GOOD LUCK ON UR DECISION .. BTW GO WITH WUT U LIKE
 
"Yuppie Preferred" just means it's the same damn thing as everything else only it costs more so it must be better... yuppie's doin homework.. get real rev... they just bought it cuz there other yuppie friend said it was good because somewhere along the line one of them did enough homework to see that it costed more and they wouldn't look like a "commoner" riding it once a year.

thatbeing said.. the bmw is ok.. but over priced.

My little bro has a DR650 you spoke of... it's a pretty good street bike.. but a little heavy for dirt IMO.. it's managaeble... but it's not as much fun in really tight single track trails as the 400 would be. He is actually thinking of selling.. i'll ask how much if your interested. and get some pics of course.
 
Thanks for the info.

There is not a KTM dealer around here and I wasn't aware that they offered a dual sport. Worth checkign into.

Ego- Yeah, I agree the DR650 is a heavy beast. I was even looking at one last night at the kawi dealer. I think it would feel like taking a regular street bike on a trail, insane. I could be wrong about that but it is a bulky beast.

Chris
 
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