DYNO CHARTS

Gixx1300R

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I would like to see some other Hayabusa Dyno charts.If anyone has one e mail me at Gixx1300R@aol.com.Mine Dynoed at 156 horsepower and 97 lbs of torque.Include modifications done.I would like to know which combinations work best and which ones are hype.I would like to modify my airbox but would like to see the gains measured on a dyno before I do it.
 
Finished about 7 hours on the Dyno (dynojet 150) last night with a friend who is a Bike Mech. Corrected SAE HP, but no corrections were made for humidity. It was humid so the numbers may have been a little low without the correction.
156HP with full micron, Yosh--+5,+5,0.
153HP with full micron, PC2--map.003

Modified airbox on all runs.
air filter BMC or stock no difference.
remove air box lose 1 hp or the same.
Micron/PC2 more power through midrange-45mph-110mph average 4-5 hp more. YOSH made 3hp more from 115mph - 158mph.(4th gear pulls)
Lubricate my neglected chain--2-3 HP!! won't neglect this anymore.
Stock ECM with full micron--155hp peak, crap idle terrible drivability, crap midrange.

We couldn,t get the PC2 to match the YOSH up high, but rec'd some tips today as to maybe why from DynoJet.

The Busa is very sensitive to airbox temp. According to DynoJet, this may have come into to play with variables between runs. They actually put a resistor in to fix the temp. for comparison purposes.
When the two maps were compared in "Race" mode (4th gear pulls) the PC2 bike wins due to the midrange.
But, I suppose if you were keeping it up there 10,000+ til shift the YOSH would have won. Drivability feels better with PC2 overall. We did compare the two using the dyno by making 2-6 gear runs. Thats the fun part!! (In race mode they are very close, could be driver error though)

Anyway, don't put too much weight in all of this. ONE NIGHT, ONE DYNO, ONE BUSA.
For the average guy, using the PC2 "as is" is the smart thing to do and make changes only after using a DYNO that can read RPM, Exhaust gas, and can load the bike so can evaluate the different throttle/rpm points. They did their homework and have a hell of alot more resources. Otherwise you will chase your tail for LONG time. Improving the low map is less difficult than making changes to the high and "going for a ride".
I gotta believe the PC2 will catch up and maybe pass after more work at the upper rpm's. OR, maybe the variables between runs is too great and thats the difference? We finished (quit) after midnight and made 30 runs of which 15 were used. 2nd pass is the keeper.

I will make many more runs in the future and now have the YOSH BOX too! (its quick and easy) If Anyone needs a quick change? I will do it cheap, but you have to come to me in Chicago, or secure the box with money if I ship it.

Now why only 156HP? I asked DynoJet and they say this bike is difficult to load on the street, due to its power, so it could take quite a few driven miles to fully break in. A good portion of the almost 15 hp increase they show on the chart, I rec'd from Micron, over stock is from break-in. My bike has 2100 miles. They began with a new bike. I may have to put the stock set-up back on for comparison.
I did receive an e-mail from badbus (see Yoshimure Fuel Mgt. Box settings)with his gif. file. His curve is very similiar to mine with the YOSH box on, chain not lubed. hehe
I am not going to send e-mails of these curves all over the place. If you have run on a DYNO with corrected SAE HP numbers, and have your DYNO sheets, I would happy to discuss this further. The missing part of all this numbers rhetoric is the drivability part of it.
Also--it is very easy to make the DYNO read what you want, if you want to.

SYNC. your throttle plates, biggest improvent in drivability for me as my 1&4 plates were out. This may have contributed to my hicup problem.
I'd like to think this DYNO was off, the humidity was high with no DYNO correction, and the ramair wasn't working. And, lets hope the breakin theory is right. Oh yea, and the moon was out.

But, reality now is 156HP peak, decent improvement in mid-range over stock.
Don't believe everybody without the Dyno sheets or E.Times in 1/4 mi. Especially if there is money to be made, or pride involved.

Bob ramair1@flash.net
 
Thanks Bob for a very informative report...got my other commander today...starts like it supposed to...guess my yosh box is not as bad as I thought...maybe by the seat of pants I`m feeling the extra midrange of the micron and commander.
 
Chris--Let me know how it works out.
I did have a fun. 197 top speed on the Dyno when we went through the gears. When you finish you automatically reach for the front brake when the rev limiter hits in 6th. Nice rush for not moving forward.
Drove with the Yosh alone last night for 100mi to check out everday drivability/fun. NO HICUPS!! GONE. Now the question is whether it is gone because of placing the throttle plates in SYNC. or was it the PC2. It did it once on the way to the DYNO and never did it again after the plates were adjusted. We will see what happens when i switch back to the PC2.

We want to get the midrange from the PC2 married up with the top rpm power of the YOSH settings. Should be able to duplicate oit with the PC2 but didn't.
Actually considered using both! One problem is that Yosh can't define what High is? They do not know the throttle position range for Low, Med, or High. It seems Nippendenso made the box and they don't have the prints. They are working on geting this for me.

Also tried to Zero the PC2--all zeros in all tables and connect it with the Yosh settings in the ecm. All zeros should mean no effect, but it wouldn't even idle above 1000 rpm when plugged in? Maybe I have a bum PC2. I will look at this closer today because I only did this in the garage, didn't go for a ride. Too late.
I will go on a brand new Superflow Dyno today or Monday, we will see what can be done then. Maybe some timing advance this time and use some of the tips from DynoJet.
Bob
 
Stock cans with (7) 1/2" holes in each baffle
Removed flapper in airbox.
BMC air filter
Stock ECM with +5, +5, +10 Yosh box adj.
No one told me you had to lube the chain!
153.3 corrected hp

Bob, what was your stock hp?

I just changed the two longer (middle) velocity stacks to match the two shorter outside stacks. A supposed 1 - 2 hp increase. I also put a larger (+3 teeth) rear sprocket on. Boy is my drive chain stiff and sticky - I have been using chain wax. That poop is in the trash now. I cleaned up the chain with WD-40. I need to find a slippery chain lube! I hope to dyno by end of the week. I will be testing (Beating) the busa this Wed. at Norwalk Drag Raceway, the track is rented by UFO Cycles for the day. I hope to get into the 9's - best time on stock bike was 10.27et/139mph with a 1.79 60ft - 205lb rider.
 
This is BETTER!
Just got back from running on a SuperFlow 250. Only 2 months old. Hope its correct because I like the numbers a whole lot better than the 12 year old DynoJet 150.
165 HP!! @ 9500 rpm. Yosh Box still made more hp at the very top by 1. Power commander 164HP. The improved low end still shows for the PC2. I have to look at the curves make some sense of it before i post much more.
Except, the SuperFlow 250 has two blowers that that are driven by the drum. You can aim them at the radiator to cool. THe last run we aimed each blower outlet at the ramair intakes.
175.6 @ 10,243 rpm Corrected SAE HP!!! 170 HP @ 9000 rpm 99.8 ft/lbs torque
Hello Ram Air! The blower speed increases with wheel speed.
Maybe i would find a different reading each time a drop money at a dyno shop?
Anyway, the other interesting thing was the YOSH still made more lean up top 0 setting on High. The PC2 also responded to leaner mixture up yop to pull within 1HP.
But, when hit with ramair the lean settings made less tan when we richened it back up.
Enough for now
Bob
Does anyone know how to open sfd files?? I have the files from the Dyno, but do not have the software to open them it looks like.

You should have seen the nose and finger prints on the two glass windows that separate the store from the dyno room.


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Good job Bob! This is the first dyno work I've seen that provided for ram air "emulation". Any idea what speed on the road it might take(mph) in order to duplicate the air flow you were blowing into the intakes on the dyno run? Seems like the addition of this factor (ram air emulation on the dyno) could really provide an advantage for you while tuning your Busa.

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Your right about chain wax!!! After it gets hot it loosens up quite a bit, but when cold it is really stiff. I am going to find a better lube also----I heard that champion makes a lube just like the white stuff that comes on a new chain but is in a spray can. Think I'll try that.
 
Me too--Chainwax. Anyone know of something better, or is using a on the biker oiler?
I am sorry i did not do a stock hp run. But, the guy i am working with did four others. Two stock, One was at 151 hp, the other was an exceptional bike 156! He said the bike was a ringer from day one. It was sold from the dealer he works at. Typical range for stock is 149-155hp it seems.
Bob
Remember peak HP is great but how you get there in through the curve can be just as important.
Bob
 
Great power Bob. Do you think this new higher hp is due to better fuel delivery and timing changes or the new PowerFlow 250 dyno?

What settings did you end up with on the Yosh box?

Sport Rider magazine in their last issue has a story on ram air systems. They included the Hayabusa in their test fleet of about 7 bikes. They showed how much positive pressure each bike got in the air box as speed increased. The next issue with show how positive air box pressure increases hp on the dyno.
 
Nothing different on the bike settings really. It was a 70 degree crisp day, but not in this dyno room, it was warm.
Supposedly, this new dyno, which does look like something out of Star Trek, has a built in weather station to make corrections. The graphs are plotted showing corrected and uncorrected power.
How do I determine if the the dyno's accurate? At this point i do not care all that much, but maybe i will try one run elsewhere after i get it dialed in. The main thing now is stay at the same dyno so i can see the effect of changes made.
The software is cool for the Superflow. I got a demo copy from their website. The demo allowed me to print the graphs, and overlay them on any of of the other runs. It also lets you zoom in. The dyno shop also gave me a smaller version (500kb)to allow customers to print/ scan.
I intend to use the PC2 and make adjustments where more power was made by the Yosh Box and smooth out the valleys. Maybe try some more work with the blowers-maybe the air filter will show its worth there. Trying a stock run would make sense if I can get motivated to put it all back. (i ran w/the BMC filter only)
The PC2 made more power (torque) between--2100 rpm-2770 7 more lb-ft torque at 2500 rpm, for the PC2) this is what i felt, 3600-7300 rpm too close to care, 9200-10,100 rpm the Yosh just beats the PC2 (only 1 hp or so,) 10,100rpm-rev limiter tie.
All in all they are both pretty close. But, the PC2 takes it do to drivability down low and flexibility if further mods are made.
I do think we will see different numbers everywhere. Unless its the same dyno same day its probably tough to compare.
Bob
 
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