Ecueditor for Gen1 Turbo?

[Audiomaker]

Looked around for the answer... no luck.

Since my PCIII USB seems to have died (or become non-viable), what are my options for replacing it on a turbo busa?

I like to upgrade when replacing stuff if it's not too pricey.

Thoughts?

Sean

 

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

I'm unclear as to what your asking for sure...

But...

Ecu editor is the way to go. It's cheap to upgrade to, just a $25 cable. The only real expense is the dyno time.

 

[Audiomaker]

I'm unclear as to what your asking for sure...

But...

Ecu editor is the way to go. It's cheap to upgrade to, just a $25 cable. The only real expense is the dyno time.

Well it suggested to me that it wouldn't do boost based fueling on a Gen1 but I don't know if the PCIII does either?

I'm just ignorant on these things for now.

Sean

 

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

Your correct, ecu edit on a gen1 does not do boost fuel. The power commander on its own wont ither, unless you get a hub with a 3 bar map. In all reality with 7 psi and an assumed fmu you really shouldn't need anything like that.

 

[The Big Red One]

Well it suggested to me that it wouldn't do boost based fueling on a Gen1 but I don't know if the PCIII does either?

I'm just ignorant on these things for now.

Sean

Sean if you have a copy of the dyno tune map you got on the bike when you picked it up, it would be easiest to buy another pcIII and just load the same map on it. I'm like you, I always try to use an equipment failure as a chance to upgrade, but if you were happy with the way it was, it'll be easiest to just get a new pc and reload the map. The pcV software automatically converts pcIII maps to the pcV if you went that route as well.

 

[turbo11]

I have a PCIII usb I just took off my 06, it still has the map from the RCC stage1 kit in it after it was dynoed in N.C., I'll sell it for $125 shipped if you're interested.

 

[Audiomaker]

I have a PCIII usb I just took off my 06, it still has the map from the RCC stage1 kit in it after it was dynoed in N.C., I'll sell it for $125 shipped if you're interested.

Ok, sold. Fastest way to get going again.

 

[turbo11]

PM sent

 

[POWERHOUSE]

I have a PCIII usb I just took off my 06, it still has the map from the RCC stage1 kit in it after it was dynoed in N.C., I'll sell it for $125 shipped if you're interested.

Two things you would need to send to Audiomaker in addition to the PCIIIUSB itself: the base (idling) fuel pressure you were running when your bike was mapped, and the number of turns out your bleed screw on your FMU was at. Without these settings duplicated, the map in your PC could be way off . . .

 

[turbo11]

idle fuel pressure 42 lbs. screw on fmu set 1/2 turn out

 

[POWERHOUSE]

idle fuel pressure 42 lbs. screw on fmu set 1/2 turn out

 

[Goatkart]

Your correct, ecu edit on a gen1 does not do boost fuel. The power commander on its own wont ither, unless you get a hub with a 3 bar map. In all reality with 7 psi and an assumed fmu you really shouldn't need anything like that.

As a side note... you can now get a power commander V with boost and temp sensing built into the unit for gen 1 and 2 busa's.... no extra work required, they are selling them as units now.... actually, i say temp, but im not 100% certain on the temp... i know the bosch sensors is built into the loom now though...

Power Commander V, Power Comander 5, Powercommander

 

[turbo11]

that seems like what he might need if he doesn't mind the price, you only have to buy it once though. I was just giving him the option of getting mine, if he wanted it whichever way he goes is fine with me

 

[Goatkart]

that seems like what he might need if he doesn't mind the price, you only have to buy it once though. I was just giving him the option of getting mine, if he wanted it whichever way he goes is fine with me

Ahh, not trying to push one way or another... Just wanted to add a little new info to the thread for anyone else who might be reading...

I only found out they existed the other day myself...

Used to have to wire the bosch sensor up yourself to make it work, now they do it for you for extra $$$... LOL

 

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

I think I read in another post audiomaker has s2k injectors...the map is still gonna be off.

 

[BlueHaya]

you really should at least get some parameters changed in your ecu to protect the engine...like hard cut. You could just unplug that and send the ECU off for parameter changes.....or you get get it retuned and have 1 less piece of electronics on your bike.

You said in 1 post it was 107. Are you in TX?

 

[OZBooster]

That PCV looks like the best thing PC have done for boosted bikes , not all that much more needed on a FMU system than a normal TPS unit that Turbo11 is selling if you stick to one boost level, but will help get better fuel control on those using multiple boost levels

Oh and if its not been done already as suggested above, to reflash the std ecu for turbo application , setting the rpm limiter to hard cut (std is cutting some of the fuel to some cylinders... real bad on a turbo)
and gives you the chance to customise other settings like rpm limit , esp 6th gear lower rpm limit , recalibrate the injector size to suit the bigger injectors (will need remapping after but will get rid of any "oversize injector" type hesitations or starting issues , and adjust ign dwell for increased ign power

 

[2wicked]

Mapping for a turbo has a lot of parameters, injector size, fuel pressure, FMU settings and type of FMU. Also air flow of the turbo itself, just because brand x turbo is making 7 psi, does not mean the mapping from brand y making 7 psi will even be close, different turbos = different boost characteristics, differing amounts of boost and airflow at different rpms

Richard

 

[Audiomaker]

Whoa... hold up...!

I wasn't planning on using the map from another bike. I just think my PCIIIUSB is close to dead and I have my own map to start with.
When I say dead... it may have a bad USB port (or could just be a driver), but I cannot change anything in it. I have to assume the map is actually working though (bad idea?).

That PCV looks like a plan, but I'm still so new to this that the suggestions of just replacing the "3" and uploading my current map seems sound.

A little later, if I get a PCV with the boost/temp thingy (intentionally making fun of my ignorance), I can keep the PCIII loaded with a really safe map to use as a backup in case the PCVT fails...or just sell it again.

I'm still learning the capabilities of all this stuff and I don't have a plan, but I do have a vision...

That vision is 3 levels of boost/fuel combo. One for 87oct-6lbs (for traveling), one for guaranteed 92oct+ with 8lbs (for normal riding), and one for "race" being 110oct+ with 10lbs boost.
This bike by the way was set up for 350hp on C16 with 15lbs when I got it... just for reference.

I would like to be able to switch these on the fly using the right controller (still working on that info') depending on the fuel I know I have in the tank.

The PCVT looks super, but if I got one right now and installed it, I would have no clue if I did something wrong, or said another way... how to set it up right the first time.

Ecueditor seems popular, but being able to fuel off psi in a gen1 seems like a great thing to have and the consensus is that it won't do that, plus only certain people are familiar with tuning it and I'm already in an area with limited resources in that regard.

If the PCVT (errr.. PC-5-Turbo) can translate PCIII maps, that's even better because I could get this used PCIIIUSB and get the bike running as well as it can... then use that as a base map on the PCVT. Since ecueditors seem cheap, I'll add it anyway even if it's not the main modifier of fueling. It sounds like it will do ignition timing so.... ya.

Terri from Mr. Turbo says he'll help me adjust a few settings on this map, so I'll start with that.

Does that sound like a good path?

Thanks
Sean