How much would you pay?

[Hy_Rolr]

A couple of cycle rags my father reads, both did dyno tests on a different bike. One was a stock H-D and the other a factory S&S Shovel, the only thing they changed was the oil filter and oil and both bikes gained 8hp and 10ft.lbs of torque. What is this miracle filter and oil you ask? Well it's called Pure Power, rather than go into all the details I'll just provide the link to their site and you can check it out yourself. And before you go any further I'll tell you the Lifetime filter costs $199.00

I didn't look to see what the cost is for their specialy blended oils but they say that Shell Rotella (15w40 I think) is nearly the same as theirs. So what I'm asking is do you think a Lifetime filter with a possible 5-8hp and 10ft.lbs of torque is worth $199.00 and would you buy it? And yes they have a fitment listing for the 'BUSA and damn near everything else.

Pure Power LINKY

 

[thepushercg]

if it was true , then yes i would spend that for 5/8 more hp.

 

[Hy_Rolr]

These were independent tests, the Pure Power Co. makes no such claims, so it kinda makes ya think doesn't it? I too would pay that price for those kind of gains. There's not to many mods that offer that kind of performance gain for $199 bux

 

[GPW]

Royal Purple is proven to make power on the dyno and reduces operating temps on engine dynos and using thermal imaging equipment. 1-3% increase in power. The above numbers seem, lets just say, impossible...one way to find out...Rp is in my bike and any bike we tune....

 

[Devious]

Amazing...
Item #8400 fits my Busa, my Wifes 2005 Toyota Seqouia and my 2001 Bullitt...
One filter for all...


David

 

[Hy_Rolr]

WOW! that's a nice lookin' booth Greg.

The info I got about the dyno tests using the Pure Power filter and oil was over the phone, with my father reading to me from the articles, the gist of it had something to do with the massive pass through of the filter and the specially blended oil causing less parasitic drag on the crank and oil pump etc. etc. hopefuly later on I'll get to borrow one of those rags from him and then I can quote from it with more accuracy about their testing procedure.

 

[Don Hardcastle]

I am sorry, I have been around engines my whole life and I can not/will not believe that much of an increase do to oil and filter. A marginal increase like GPW mentioned, I can buy that.

Here is another reason I have a problem with it. Will all the extremely knowledgeable folks here, if this were a possibility we would have heard of it before now.


Hy_Rolr please don't think that I am trying to flame you. Thanks for looking out and letting us know. I am

their claim.

Don

 

[GPW]

To accurately test the performance of  fluids in a bike or truck, you need to run a negative horsepower test to see which lubricant robs the least amount of hp not which makes the most. Almost like a wind drag test with a taller or shorter windscreen.

 

[Hy_Rolr]

No offense taken Don, believe me I'm just as skeptical as the rest of you I couldn't beleive it either when he read it to me, I just thought if there were more people looking into this and IF I say IF there is any reality in those claims it would be $199.00 well spent don't you agree.

 

[cougar694u]

Southwest Research Institute[/Quote]
LOL! That's right down the street from me.

I just question how well it actually filters. Similar to the K&N, it flows well, but doesn't filter as much.

*EDIT*
and it could be a combo of many things. Harley's require what, like 40-60 weight oil? What did they test with? I know my race car dropped over a tenth when I went from 20-50 to 10-30. A tenth at 110+ mph in a 3600 lb car is maybe 2-5% HP increase. Going from a high volume to a stock volume oil pump also gained my brother .25 of a second in his car.

If they used a lighter oil (even synthetic vs dino oil) and a more free flowing filter, it can free up some parasitic loss. I don't disagree with the article, but the only way to know for sure is compare apples to apples. Use the same oil on every run, but compare several different filters, then go back and test them again.

 

[Professor]

I have personally seen 5-8 hp on the dyno from oil alone. We drained the 25-50 Pennzoil and replaced it with a 20-50 racing synthetic. Back to back pulls. However… it was on a 600 hp Small block Chevy so we are talking 1%. I don’t see 5-8 hp in stock HD. That would be close to 10%.

 

[Hy_Rolr]

(cougar694u @ Jan. 25 2007,10:19) Southwest Research Institute

LOL! That's right down the street from me.

I just question how well it actually filters.  Similar to the K&N, it flows well, but doesn't filter as much.

*EDIT*
and it could be a combo of many things.  Harley's require what, like 40-60 weight oil?  What did they test with?  I know my race car dropped over a tenth when I went from 20-50 to 10-30.  A tenth at 110+ mph in a 3600 lb car is maybe 2-5% HP increase.  Going from a high volume to a stock volume oil pump also gained my brother .25 of a second in his car.

If they used a lighter oil (even synthetic vs dino oil) and a more free flowing filter, it can free up some parasitic loss.  I don't disagree with the article, but the only way to know for sure is compare apples to apples.  Use the same oil on every run, but compare several different filters, then go back and test them again.[/Quote]
I've never researched K&N's filtering capabilities, I use Amsoil filters myself. But here's a quote from Pure Powers filtering capability.
"Filters down to 5 micron particles. 90% more efficient than throw-away oil filters"

And totally agree with your edited comments...

 

[Hy_Rolr]

(Professor @ Jan. 25 2007,10:23) I have personally seen 5-8 hp on the dyno from oil alone. We drained the 25-50 Pennzoil and replaced it with a 20-50 racing synthetic. Back to back pulls.  However… it was on a 600 hp Small block Chevy so we are talking 1%.   I don’t see 5-8 hp in stock HD. That would be close to 10%.

That's what I think as well, it seems totally unrealistic. Hopefully I'll know more when I snag those atricles from my Father.

 

[thepushercg]

hy_rolr i am glad you brought this article up. it might save someone 199 bucks by reading here first. if it was true,yes i would buy the pure power setup. im very skeptical about that much of an increase. i allready use royal purple oil now. so maybe im allready making an extra 2/3 h.p.

 

[dadofthree]

Trust Greg on this one.

 

[heavybusa]

to rich for my blood.

 

[cougar694u]

(Hy_Rolr @ Jan. 25 2007,09:36)

(cougar694u @ Jan. 25 2007,10:19) I just question how well it actually filters. Similar to the K&N, it flows well, but doesn't filter as much.

I've never researched K&N's filtering capabilities, I use Amsoil filters myself. But here's a quote from Pure Powers filtering capability.
"Filters down to 5 micron particles. 90% more efficient than throw-away oil filters"

And totally agree with your edited comments...

Oops, I meant K&N air filters. The study I read said they (K&N) out-flowed all others, but did the absolute worst in filtration. The AC Delco flowed the least, but filtered the best.

Not sure if the K&N Oil filter's like this, but it's what I use.

Personally, I wouldn't spend $200 on an oil filter. $50, maybe.

 

[Over_Easy]

 

[McyMike]

Keep a good oil filter...buy a good o-ring - less drag chain andfor 150.00 and pick up 3-4 HP on the dyno (less friction in chain due to no rubber rings).

 

[Commuta_Busa]

how do I fit the harley engine on my bike? I need the extra hp