I just went to the Official Michelin Tire Site
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SOLF & HARF...silly okies & tater pickers......
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I think you'll find Michelin is very secretive about their tires. I have called their technical department on more than one occasion trying to get information and their standard answer seems to be "We don't give that information out to the public" or "Ask your trackside vendor, he will know". When asked the optimum operating temp the answer is "There are just to many variables to recommend an operating temperature"! Well then could you simply give me a temperature range in which your 2ct tires perform best? Answer "There are just to mny variables to recommend an operating temperature"!
Michelin can kiss my arse if they can catch me far enough away from it!
I'm thinking the more race, the softer it is and the quicker it wears.
Not correct all the time. Depending on the track, temps and surface compound, harder might me better and faster on a track ! But then, track tires are HORRIBLE and have terrible ware rates on the street. Then there are the Street/Track tires. Which makes them not so great on the street (compaired to all street tires) and not so great on the track (compaired to track tires). What you get is a tire that does neither well but has a short ware life. So, your best bet is to get two sets, one for the street and one for TRACK DAY ! Or just go with a very good street tire and find it's limits at the track. Your not really racing anyway, so why not find out what the limits are so you'll know on the street. A Really Good street tire might just really surprise you just how good they really are
Not correct all the time. Depending on the track, temps and surface compound, harder might me better and faster on a track ! But then, track tires are HORRIBLE and have terrible ware rates on the street. Then there are the Street/Track tires. Which makes them not so great on the street (compaired to all street tires) and not so great on the track (compaired to track tires). What you get is a tire that does neither well but has a short ware life. So, your best bet is to get two sets, one for the street and one for TRACK DAY ! Or just go with a very good street tire and find it's limits at the track. Your not really racing anyway, so why not find out what the limits are so you'll know on the street. A Really Good street tire might just really surprise you just how good they really are
Here is the Michelin chart about their tires. If you look at each one, it will be ideal for everything! So, which one to pick. If horrible for the street means it wears fast, I don't care. But, if there are other bad things about track tires, I'd like to know.
I would like for a tire to give me as much grip as possible. I'm thinking that would allow for more margin of error in riding. I could make more mistakes and still live to tell the tale. Second, I would like for it to be a comfortable tire. One that is not so hard as an OEM tire. They all have the same speed rating. Handling in the rain is not a consideration. If it's not clear and pretty, I'm not riding.
And one more question, please. How much should I pay for a pair of 2CTs?
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the prices on the 2ct's seems a bit out of line to me compared to what you can buy the BT016 for.. I ran the Corsa3 and loved them (way more tire than I needed) but they went over $330 a set and so went with the $200 BT016 for a change... I really like the Dunlop Qualifier (another tire way better than I am)
I doubt you can pick a tire that is going to be bad.. The Avon Storm is getting great reviews from the guys here and they wear well..
Here is my tire lineup for April/May and hopefully part of June..
These were all right at $200 a set..
I doubt you can pick a tire that is going to be bad.. The Avon Storm is getting great reviews from the guys here and they wear well..
Here is my tire lineup for April/May and hopefully part of June..
These were all right at $200 a set..
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If the BOLD statement above is your desire, I'd steer clear of Michelins. They aren't a bad tire for the multitudes but they are very unforgiving. You make a mistake and they will pitch you on your head. I've learned this from picking up lots of crashed bikes on Pilot Powers & 2ct's. Michelin shod crashes out number all other tire crashes combined. I've had students crash right in front of me on PP's and for the life of me I could not see anything they did wrong.
I had a 21 year old kid on a ZX6 this past season, was his first track day ever. He was about as good as they come for his first shot on the track. He had no fear of the throttle, pretty good on the brakes and was dragging a knee by early afternoon. The kid crashed in Turn 3 while I was working with another student. I always feel like I haven't done my job if I have a student that crashes. After patching up his bike I went out with him the very next session and about three laps in, I'll be damned if he didn't crash again in the very same corner. I was ten feet behind him and could not see any mistakes. He was on PP's with lots of tread and the front tire gave up grip and within the blink of an eye, he was down. His tire pressure was good, his entry speed was fine and I watched his brake hand and he was completely off the brake. Poor suspension set up could have been a contributor? I can tell you this, around our neck of the woods, PP's don't have a good reputation for keeping riders upright!
Crashes are almost always a result of a combination of poor decisions. Tire choice is one of those decisions.
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