Minnesota School Shooting

Mr Brown

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I just read that a High School student in MN shot and killed five of his classmates, four adults including his grandparents, and himself. He injured several other people also. When are people going to realize that we have a gun problem in this country? Just because we have the Right to Bear Arms does not relieve us of our responsibility to control them effectively. I don't want to seem anti-gun ownership here because I am not. In fact I own a few, along with my Illinois Firearms ID card. But there's something wrong when this type of thing happens.



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You are right there is something wrong. It's called parental resposibility. Rather that worry about who has a gun, we should worry about who has kids!!
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Red Lake has a history of being a violent reservation. Not sure why by it has had everything from violent riots with police to students being brutally beaten at high school sports events. In fact, visiting schools were being escorted to the school by police in the past to prevent this.

Not sure if this has anything to do with anything but I thought I would share it.

I aggree, this is more about parents and responsibility then gun control.
 
My opinion, and it's probably not worth much...

There is a problem with guns in this country, but I truly do believe an even bigger problem exists at home...kids being raised by single parents, by grandparents that are out of touch with how society is today for a kid, by aunts and uncles...misguided kids, loose morals, peer pressure...

Seems that the kids that do this kind of thing already had issues swirling around their lives...they've led a pretty sad youth, have been tormented both from outside as well as within themselves.  From what little I've seen, this kid's father committed suicide a year or so back, his Mom is in a home with brain damage...no excuse for him to go on a rampage, but he clearly needed some guidance and help to get through life and society failed him.  I doubt his problems just popped up yesterday, so someone in and around his life dropped the ball...

The gun, in this case, was simply a tool, a by product he decided to use to end so much bad in his world...

Are guns too accessible to kids?  Sure, but what % of these guns are actually obtained from family members that simply don't lock 'em up?  
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I'm not a fan of guns, but I don't think taking them away from U.S. citizens will curb this kind of problem in any way.  I know that if someone wants a gun, they'll get one...illegally or otherwise, just like drugs...

So, America needs to stop blaming guns, peers, the kids and start raising families again...start instilling some moral and ethical values in our children...if you are going to procreate, better be prepared to actually do a little work instead of blaming the schools, teachers, the police and your kids' friends for your kid's problems...if your kid has problems, better do your BEST to get them help before their lives become a lot of nothingness...

Is that easier said than done?  I don't think it would be too hard to give a kid a loving family to grow up in...to teach him/her right from wrong, to respect others, to have good friends close by, to feel free to come to you and talk about problems...I think it's easier to raise your kids in a loving home over always fighting them over every little thing you don't like...parenting is very difficult, but it's the most important job PARENTS have...remember that, and hopefully, over time, society will begin to see less "rogue" kids, more kids taking on the responsibility of their own destiny...

This kid was likely on a collision course with some kind of disaster...it's a complete shame he took down innocent lives on his way out, and I can only imagine what the families of those lost are feeling today...it's not the first time, nor will it be the last...
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Absolutely belive that the problem begins with the parenting of these kids. Nothing will ever stop Americans from obtaining a gun. It's just too easy nowadays. I just don't understand sometimes when shid like this happens. What exactly was the kid trying to accomplish? I mean, if you wanted to end your life, then do just that. But why go ahead and kill classmates and family members. Guess we'll never really know what was going on in his head.
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this wasnt in our country...in on a reservation. a COMPLETELY different place. i personally will not travel there and if i have to will bring friends and some sort of protection. i have heard some nasty stories about people being hijacked and such. theres a huge drug/alchol problem up their also.
 
The kid's father committed suicide four years earlier, that's why he was being raised by his grandparents. His grandfather was a cop, who he likked, and he used his grandfathers guns to kil everyone else including himself.

That kid could have killed just as many or even more people by waiting until school let out, then mow everyone down with a car. Should car's be banned if it happened that way?

People kill people. A gun is just the first weapon of choice that comes to mind when someone bent on destruction chooses because it's easier to pull a trigger from a distance.

Reservations are soverign nations, which means laws in the rest of our country do not apply there.



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VABusa absolutely agree with you.
Its a tragedy what happened, says on MSN that he described himself as a "NativeNazi" (not sure what that means) peers say he was picked on because of his odd behavior, Mother in a nursing home and father who committed suicide... what parenting went on here, what kind of example was given to this kid...
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Maybe if someone had stepped in and taken some time to help him.... well, its a shame and a tradegy this had to happen.
 
(Sane_man @ Mar. 22 2005 said:
The kid's father committed suicide four years earlier, that's why he was being raised by his grandparents.  His grandfather was a cop, who he likked, and he used his grandfathers guns to kil everyone else including himself.

That kid could have killed just as many or even more people by waiting until school let out, then mow everyone down with a car.  Should car's be banned if it happened that way?

People kill people.  A gun is just the first weapon of choice that comes to mind when someone bent on destruction chooses because it's easier to pull a trigger from a distance.

Reservations are soverign nations, which means laws in the rest of our country do not apply there.
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This is the attitude that I can't comprehend. Surely you can see that there is a problem with the ready access to guns. Simply saying "People kill people" is much like the ostrich hiding its head in the sand. I know that people kill people, but ready and unsupervised access to guns makes it far more simple. As I said, I am not suggesting taking guns away from people, or making it impossible to obtain them, we all know that if you take guns from law abiding people, the only ones left with guns will be criminals. All I'm saying is that to ignore the fact that there is a problem by saying "Guns don't kill, people kill" is foolish. There IS a problem in this country with guns, I happen to agree with 'da blonde, that the solution lies in parenting skills, but the people who seem to think that there is no problem are the ones who worry me the most.
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(Mr Brown @ Mar. 22 2005 said:
There IS a problem in this country with guns, I happen to agree with 'da blonde, that the solution lies in parenting skills, but the people who seem to think that there is no problem are the ones who worry me the most.
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Tough call Mr Brown...

I'd imagine leaning toward strict legislation against those that don't lock up guns like they should may be a start?  I know in this case, the allegations that the gun came from grandpa won't allow prosecution against anyone since the grandfather's been killed too.

But if after a random act of violence involving one's gun, the owner is found negligent in how he/she kept the gun, stiff penalties should ensue.  Perhaps this type of legislation is already in effect?  I have no idea...

I don't think we'll ever see guns taken away completely, and I don't think that's the answer.  Society has to make it mandatory that if you own a registered gun, you are fully responsible for what happens with that gun, even if it's not in your own hands.  

Of course, that will never address all the illegal guns, and you'll never stop a kid or criminal from getting one...

So, that leaves society with getting to these young misguided children before it's too late. I hate to see the media touting his garb, his label of a "Nazi" or the fact that kids picked on him...it's THOSE children that need help, and you can't tell me that there weren't other adults, kids or teachers that didn't see someone in crisis before now? Since his parents aren't in the picture, SOMEONE else NEEDED to be responsible and step in to help...I'm not suggesting it would have changed everything, but we'll never know...
 
I live in Littleton Colorado and I was here when the Columbine incident occurred. My friend's daughter was at school that day and had to hide in a room and watch her teacher bleed to death.

Ignoring the gun issues for a moment, what especially irked me about this latest incident is that this boy displayed all the same trademarks that the Columbine killers did. He always wore a trenchcoat, was associated with a neo-Nazi organization, dressed like a Goth, was a loner etc. etc.

Now that we have a profile for these kinds of killers:

Why aren't we acting to control them BEFORE they commit the crimes?

How come all this information is coming out AFTER the incident?

Why aren't parents, teacher and students being taught to recognize the symptoms and report them to the authorities?

Why aren't kids being taught to reach out to these people instead of ridiculing them?
 
Vabusa is absolutly right on!!    More gun control laws are not the answer. Are all you advocates so nieve that you really believe gun control laws will keep guns away from criminals.  COME ON!!   Put the responsibility where it belongs, on the parents!   No doubt, this is a tragedy of the worst kind, but he just as easily could have used a chain saw for instance.  Maybe we should outlaw chain saws, YA THINK!!!   End of rant!
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