MODEST PROPOSAL FOR DEALING WITH ISLAM

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The solution going through my mind is to kick the media and tree huggers out of the loop tell the politicians to Fug off and let the military act as the military should without boundaries or having to worry who got a picture of them manually removing the face from an a-hole who wants to kill the population of the US with a rusty butter knife finding out where his whacko friends are!
Somehow terrorist have received "rights" Sorry, If your goal is to obliterate my existence, You have NO rights! Who gives a flying F if naked pictures were taken of some prisoners! I think they should have made A-Hole # 1 Suck A-Hole #2's Virgin Sticker take That picture and post it to billboards all over their Country with the caption, "Terrorists SUCK!"
Kill 'em all and let them deal with God directly! When they find out their distorted version of "Allah" don't exist, there aren't any Virgins waiting for their dead smelly aZZes and the REAL God is pissed, they'll be sorry and I'll be happy!
Rant off ... have a nice day
 
Yeah christianity's past is sorted in some respects, but look at the current state of affairs, not a time so long ago no one can relate to it.Yeah, yeah I know, history repeats itself but know one cares.

Until the muslim community stands up and condemns these "terrorists" and takes back control of their religion, which it appears they have lost, they are a part of the problem and do not represent part of the fix. Further more, for me personally, until I see this happen there are two types of muslims, those who hate the west and will do something about it, and those who hate the west and will not. That may sound brash but I have not heard enough voiced from the peacfull side of this to assume they are the majority, as a matter of fact it seems to be the opposite. I have respect for the ones that have, they have shown courage in standing up against a movement that does not lend itself to alternative points of view.

Having respect for each other does not work or compute with the extreme types we are talking about. They understand brutality and force, and so they should get it. If anyone is ever confused about what we are fighting watch the The Berg video where he is beheaded, truly horrific.

Minimizing the validity of any argument by citing christianity's past, is actually failing to grasp an important concept. Someone's mistake(s) doesn't preclude them from understanding right from wrong, in fact it may give them more insight into why it is. IMO
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POLITICAL FACTIONS AND A MODEST PROPOSAL FOR DEALING WITH ISLAM

--Robert Klein Engler

Terror Sanitized



CHICAGO (16 July '05)--After the terror attacks in London, a few TV commentators said they would go after those in the media who want to sanitize terrorism. Such bravado may be admirable, but it is a bravado that does not recognize how terrorism has already been sanitized. The leaders of Western democracies have sanitized terrorism because they cannot publicly admit they are helpless to prevent more attacks.

Most analysts who study the so-called war on terror could have told you a year ago that there would be a terrorist attack targeting the London subway. Likewise, there are those who will tell you a dirty bomb may explode in an American city in the near future. It is not too hard to make these predictions because Western governments will not do what they must do to prevent these attacks from happening.

Just look how the media has urban terrorism down to a formula already. Al-Qaida plans an attack. The backpack bombs go off and people die. Then, government officials get on TV and denounce the act, making sure to use words like "barbaric" and "uncivilized." The media shows photos of bloody faces and people hugging one another. The next day there are photos in the newspaper of women placing flowers where the bombs exploded. It's all so predictable. Until the big one comes down, the plan is to get us as used to low-grade, urban terrorism as we are to traffic accidents.


James Madison and the mischief of factions



The average American knows the so-called war on terror is not really a war on terror. He knows in his gut that what's happening is that we are fighting another war with Islam. That's what it is, no matter what the politicians say. This war against Islam is the flaring up again of a conflict that has been going on for 1,500 years.

The West against Islam is nothing new. What's new is that because of oil, the conflict has now expanded to the New World. There are no radical Muslims, nor Islamo-Fascists, there are just Muslims doing what they have always done--spreading Islam by force and terror. Compare the spread of Islam with that of Buddhism, and the truth of this history becomes obvious.

It is a fault of liberalism that it sees Islam as just one faction among many in Western societies. This view may have its source in a misreading of the Federalist Papers, where James Madison and others argued for the adoption of a new constitution for the United States. In these papers Madison grappled with the problems of factions threatening a republic form of government. He concluded that a constitutional republic was the best way to guarantee freedom, control factions and establish law and order.

Some of the men who wrote the U. S. Constitution saw it as an experiment, an experiment in government that might not last 20 years. Fortunately, it has lasted over 200 years, but not without the bloodshed of civil war. For other statesmen at the Philadelphia convention, the advantage of a constitution was that it assured a republican form of government and controlled the mischief of factions.

In Federalist Paper #10, James Madison discussed the problem of controlling factions in society. Madison's arguments are sound as far as they go. His examples, however, do not cover the case of Islam. Islam does not hold to the assumptions that Madison makes about secular government. Islam must be seen as a special kind of faction, one that cannot be controlled either by opinion or by representative government.

James Madison and the framers of the U. S. Constitution assumed that the divine right of kings to govern was sublimated into the divine right of the people to govern themselves. No such assumption is made by Islam. Islam sees the source of political power in the Koran. For most Muslims, democracy as we know it is the same as idolatry. Democratic forms of government did not evolve in Islamic society and it will not take place in societies that are Islamic, no matter the degree of their economic development.

It is the theological ideas inherent in Islamic law that make Islam the greatest challenge that constitutional democracies face. As soon as these democracies grant Islam the status of a faction, Muslims begins to campaign for the overthrow of the very constitutional structures that make them a viable faction. If Islam were ever to gain majority power, then it would in turn overthrow the entire constitutional apparatus of secular democracies and replace constitutional law with Sharia, or Islamic law.

The conclusion to draw from this is that either Islam stops being Islam, or it be excluded as a faction from democratic republics. Jamie Galzov echoes this view when he writes in FrontPageMagazine.com, "...a reformed Islam is an oxymoron, because Islam cannot reform and still remain Islam." This oxymoron may be difficult for liberalism to understand, immersed as it is in the ideology of separation of Church and state. However, there is no such thing as separation of church and state in Islam. To have such a separation you need two things: a church and a state. Neither of these were components of Islam as it developed.


a modest proposal



In light of the mischief caused by an Islamic faction in Western democracies, let me make a modest proposal: instead of tolerating Islam, we should build a fence around it. This fence makes no judgment about the religion of Islam. Instead, it respects the uniqueness of Islam. A fence simply recognizes that two world views are incompatible. A fence around Islam is necessary because liberal governments cannot protect us from Islamic terrorist attacks.

As long as a liberal ideology of tolerance prevails in the West, Islamic terrorist will strike at will. It is a simple matter of Islam taking the liberal ideology of the West and turning this ideology against itself. It is the great irony of liberalism that by being tolerant it undermines its own existence. Liberalism now goes out of its way to encourage those who want to overthrow it. When confronted with an aggressive and intolerant force like Islam, tolerance ends with its own extinction.

A fence around Islam may include the removal of Muslims from Western societies, the outlawing of Islamic practices, cultural parity with Muslim states, new sources of oil and the postponement of economic and technical development in the Muslim world until the military and cultural threat of Islam is diminished.

Deportation of Muslims from Western societies is not a picture the liberal press wants to see, but it may be necessary to do this. With their reluctance to assimilate, more so in Europe than in the U. S., Muslim ghettos are breeding grounds for terrorists. Given the threat the practice of Islam poses to the West, it is not wrong to see it as a dangerous faction. Today, the Federal Republic of Germany sees nothing wrong with making the practice of Nazism illegal, so, someday the same may be the case for Islam in some Western societies.

Hand in hand with deportation of Muslims must go pressure by Western governments on Muslim countries for cultural parity. If Saudi Arabia does not allow the Bible into its territory, then the Koran must not be imported to the West. Likewise, if Islam is to modernize, then Mecca should be open to believers and nonbelievers alike, the same way the Vatican is open to all who visit.

New sources of oil must be obtained so that we can pull back from involvement in Muslim affairs. We must also develop alternative fuels. All of this may be more easily said than done. Nevertheless, it is foolishness when Americans subsidize al-Qaida every time they fill up the gas tank on their SUV. Finally, we must reexamine whether or not a technological advanced Muslim society is in our best interest. Everyone may be better off if Muslims societies are allowed to remain at the level of 14th century development.

The proposal to build a fence around Islam sheds light on the war in Iraq, too. If a secular democracy is to rise there, then the influence of Islam must fall. Sadam Hussein tried to make Iraq into a secular state, albeit a totalitarian one. Ironically, his efforts at establishing secularism may be exactly what the U. S. needs to prevail in Iraq. If we manage to set up a viable constitutional form of government in Baghdad, we may have Sadam Hussein to thank for it.

Yet, without facing the real issue, which is a protracted struggle with Islam itself, even a limited military victory in Iraq means little in the long run. Like the battle of Leponto in 1571, the U. S. occupation of Iraq has to be put into a 1,500 year perspective. If Miguel de Cervantes, who lost the use of his arm in that Leponto battle were to return, then he would certainly offer us strategic advice. That advice may be to not abandon Iraq or Afghanistan, while at the same time building a fence around Islam.

Although no one wants to say it, there is a timetable for the withdrawal of U. S. and British troops from Iraq. The political deadline is the next U. S. presidential election. If the situation in Iraq is not better by then, the Republicans will probably lose that election. If there is an act of terrorism on the U. S. mainland greater than the events of 9/11 before that election, then there will be social upheaval in the U. S. involving more minorities than just the Muslims.

A fence around Islam makes the claim of Osama bin Laden that his fight is simply to remove Western troops from the holy land of Saudi Arabia an irrelevant claim. No matter where American or British troops are stationed, it changes nothing in regard to the aggressive motives of Islam. Even if Israel were to disappear tomorrow, Islam would still be on the move against the West. The suicide bombers who recently attacked London were born in England, not in Saudi Arabia. They were raised on the milk of an aggressive Islam that no longer needs a nursery in Mecca.


ways of life



The genie of cultural conflict is out of the bottle and cannot easily be put back. In spite of this, secular politicians in the West influenced by a liberal ideology do not grasp the nature of the crisis brought on by a clash of civilizations. They simply want to bend Islam into their own liberal political ambitions. They claim that the suicide bombers have a "perverted and poisonous misinterpretation'' of Islam, yet they know little of Islam's history, let alone the forces religions set lose in the world.

In an attempt to explain the cultural conflict between Islam and the West, we seize upon explanations that have little merit. Many of the Muslim immigrants to Britain are poor and live in poverty, but it is not poverty that motivates them to become suicide bombers. Instead, they are motivated by Islam, an Islam that has not changed or been highjacked by a few radicals. Hani Al-Siba'i, head of the Al-Maqreze Center for Historical Studies in London expresses this cultural divide well. He says for Muslims, "There is no such term as 'civilians' in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb (House of War) or not (The House of Islam)."

Some maintain that neither al-Qaida nor Islam is sufficiently organized to pose as great a threat as imagined here. They maintain that Islam lacks the central authority of a Pope or the organization of the Vatican. This argument is doubtful, because it takes an organization to carry out the recent bombings in London, but let's suppose it is true.

The lack of a definite structure could make Islam more of a threat to the West, rather than less. A dispersed Islam becomes an ideologically driven movement rather than an organizationally driven one. The metaphor for this type of movement is the Internet. When dispersed among a population, defense against such a mercuric faction becomes expensive and difficult. A simple solution is to remove the believers the way we would remove computers.

The U. S. generation that came of age marching on the Pentagon and protesting the war in Vietnam is now coming to the end of its political influence. Will its desire for tolerance and multiculturalism blind it to the threat of Islam looming on the horizon? Will this generation's last moment be one of moral clarity, or will it be a generation that retreats to their suburban retirement communities, our equivalent of the Roman's latifundia, and not demand the policies needed so that the next generation will have the blessings of liberty?

Ways of life are at stake. Can we afford to keep on doing what we are doing in regard to Islam? Will the cost of tolerance be 2 million Americans dead? Our soldiers should not go to fight in Iraq and then come home only to be forced to learn Spanish, or worse, be blown up by a terrorist bomber on a bus that travels the street where they live.

Under the U. S. Constitution, the oath our elected officials take is to provide for the common defense and to promote the general welfare. These elected officials should not worry more about Iraq or even Mexico than our own citizens. If our government does not want to build a fence around Islam now, then our citizens may have to do it later--perhaps after a dirty bomb brought up from Mexico explodes in Houston.

Robert Klein Engler lives in Chicago. He is an adjunct professor at Roosevelt University. His book, A WINTER OF WORDS, about the ethnic cleansing at Daley College, is available from amazon.com
 
For someone who is exposed to bigotry by choice, the author seems remarkably intolerant.
He and most other people who wish to make a name for themselves by proposing patently ridiculous ideas, seem to fail to grasp two important concepts.
A) The people who commit these atrocities in the name of Islam are not true Muslims and attacking the whole faith in response would be the same as hating all Christians for the acts of David Koresh,

B) Many innocent people have been killed in the name of Christianity throughout the ages, so the moral high ground clung to by many people isn't really that high after all.


It really bothers me that people want to blame all Muslims for the acts that are perpetratred by a small minority. Islam can co-exist with western ideals, we just have to have a little respect for each other.
 
For someone who is exposed to bigotry by choice, the author seems remarkably intolerant.
He and most other people who wish to make a name for themselves by proposing patently ridiculous ideas, seem to fail to grasp two important concepts.
A) The people who commit these atrocities in the name of Islam are not true Muslims and attacking the whole faith in response would be the same as hating all Christians for the acts of David Koresh,

B) Many innocent people have been killed in the name of Christianity throughout the ages, so the moral high ground clung to by many people isn't really that high after all.


It really bothers me that people want to blame all Muslims for the acts that are perpetratred by a small minority. Islam can co-exist with western ideals, we just have to have a little respect for each other.
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For someone who is exposed to bigotry by choice, the author seems remarkably intolerant.
He and most other people who wish to make a name for themselves by proposing patently ridiculous ideas, seem to fail to grasp two important concepts.
A) The people who commit these atrocities in the name of Islam are not true Muslims and attacking the whole faith in response would be the same as hating all Christians for the acts of David Koresh,

B) Many innocent people have been killed in the name of Christianity throughout the ages, so the moral high ground clung to by many people isn't really that high after all.


It really bothers me that people want to blame all Muslims for the acts that are perpetratred by a small minority. Islam can co-exist with western ideals, we just have to have a little respect for each other.
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This is our problem right here. They blow up our cities, cut our kids heads off, kill our families and we have the guys that feel bad for them. "they're not all that bad. Other people did bad things a long time ago, so what? "

Maybe if your 8 year old daughter burned alive on 9/11 you would have a "different opinion".

Get all of them the hell out of our country right now. We can run our own 7-11's.
 
while we're at it....

lets kick the Christians out since there's a faction of 'em that bomb clinics and kill doctors that perform abortions...

The Jews had a group calling itself the "JDL" that performed and planned assassinations, so they've gotta go...

White supremacists think they're on God's side...

Tim McVeigh + Terry Nichols probably thought they were "right" when they mercilessly killed+maimed adults + children alike...

You can't blame an entire race/religion/country for the work of moronic a$$holes. i lost friends in NYC on 9/11, but have come to realize that being distrustful of everyone that appears to be Muslim is no way to spend the rest of my life. too negative + pointless; there's no end to it.

I'm not anti-Muslim, anti-Catholic, anti-Jew...I'm anti-extremist. If you can't believe in whatever you want to belive in without harming or affecting others, you need to go. As in off the planet. The rest of us (I'm convinced that 99% of the world's population are somwhat "normal") have to respect + tolerate each other. Not easy, but it seemed to happen nearly daily on a rush-hour subway in NY. black, white, jew, hindu, hispanic, italian, chinese, muslim...all packed tightly next to each other, day after day, and somehow not killing one another.



On another note: there was a news report this week about a new weapon that the US was going to put into use - a microwave gun that give an unbearable burning feeling to anyone that gets in its path. It'll be used as a non-lethal deterrant; as cool as that sounds, it makes you think...how much money can we possibly spend to NOT KILL the people who are shooting at or inspiring hatred toward our soldiers?
 
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