One more point to Vesrah JL pads and chinese rotors

[IG.]

At the recent track day, I put my pads (paired with chinese rotors) to yet another grilling day of torture, and they performed flawlessly. In all the honesty, I still have some pulsation during hard braking at slower speeds (like 40 mph) when the conditions just right, but this issue slowly goes away - as it supposed to.

I have to say that with Vesrah pads I experienced something I'v never experienced with EBC HH pads. It's not unusual to start braking a bit late on the fronts where speed reaches well into triple digits and you try to pass a rider or two, and then the speed has to be dropped by at least 100 mph for the upcoming turn. In one such instance, I managed to brake so hard that my rear started weaving left and right. Once I realized I was at the limit, I had no choice but to hold the lever steady - any more pressure would lift the rear with all the glory results - not something I would want to experience. This weaving lasted for a really long time - good 3-4 seconds accompanied by a perect feel at the lever.

With EBC HH pads in similar circumstances, the front tire would start howling or start skipping.

I have to admit that there could be a number of other factors involved. My experience is purely subjective. And, yeah, I am pretty slow at the track compared to others. But that's what happened.

 

[lil charlie]

Glad to hear they are holding up.

 

[mountainmotor]

I have to admit that there could be a number of other factors involved.

Still yet , those Vesrah's are sounding like a pad i want to try. Thanks for the post.

 

[Tufbusa]

There is nothing wrong with Vesrah pads, they make good stuff.

However, they are no better than EBC pads which I prefer and are a product produced here in the USA. When jobs are so hard to find these days, it makes me feel better to spend my money at home when I can.

 

[IG.]

There is nothing wrong with Vesrah pads, they make good stuff.

However, they are no better than EBC pads which I prefer and are a product produced here in the USA. When jobs are so hard to find these days, it makes me feel better to spend my money at home when I can.

Tuff, I find them better than EBC HH in regards to braking power and feel. I lost count of how many EBC HH pads I went through so I am pretty confident in my comparison. However, per your past recommendation, I will try EBC Extremes next as I have a set already (freebie from EBC after my EBC HH pads glazed and I crashed as a result.)

In terms of buying US made stuff, I will always choose US made all other things being equal. I remember seeing a research or reading about it, but unfortunately the stats show that our desire to buy American does not stand a chance when tested by our wallets - we still buy what's cheaper even if quality is less but acceptable, not to mention if the quality is about the same.

I won't go into the reasoning, but the fact is that many US made products are not of high quality - cars, for example. I could only afford Dodge Dynasty years ago, and later on when the tranny went bad, I could only afford Dodge Intrepid (yes, I like and need cars with plenty of room for a number of reasons). Not bad cars, but poor quality, some design flaws, and frequent failures of various components point to consistent and well known issues with how those cars were made. Why would anyone in their right mind who has enough money buy such unreliable cars?

 

[fastblackblur]

I'm not partial to either pad but for the sake of discussion...

With EBC HH pads in similar circumstances, the front tire would start howling or start skipping.

Wouldn't that mean the EBC pads bite harder if they make the tire skip?

Wouldn't skipping imply that the braking force is overwelming the grip of the front tire? To me having the bike brake hard enough to raise the rear tire would be more of a testiment to either your improved ability to apply the front brakes or getting more grip out of your front tire.

 

[IG.]

I'm not partial to either pad but for the sake of discussion...






Wouldn't that mean the EBC pads bite harder if they make the tire skip?

Wouldn't skipping imply that the braking force is overwelming the grip of the front tire? To me having the bike brake hard enough to raise the rear tire would be more of a testiment to either your improved ability to apply the front brakes or getting more grip out of your front tire.

Great point, and you may be partially right! However, the feel of Vesrah pads allowed me to stay in this narrow range for a really long time - a good 3-4 sec. If I were to lighten on the lever I wouldn't be able to make the turn, and if I were to apply more pressure, I would've lifted the rear and would've lost the control of the bike. In short, the feel at the lever inspired the confidence to hold the lever steady.

In the end, you may be right regarding the other reasons. That's why I don't want sugar coat my experience and try to present it for what it is.

 

[EarlyBird]

Next time try EBS extreme over the HH pads! I have a set of Versah RJL's and they are nice... but the EBC extremes seem to bite a bit harder and also provide great feel. I had a set of Feraedo HH pads where were better the factory, but not to the level of the RJL's or Extremes.
Also are you using the backing plates too on the brakes? I was talking to a suspension guy yesterday, and he asked if I was using them. I said yes.... and then asked why? He said most people dont use them and it helps add to brake fading problems. Under testing they found that racers who didnt use the backing plates where running 70 degrees hotter if not more at the pads. Just something to pass on! Good write up!

 

[IG.]

Yes, I will try EBC Extremes next.

What backing plates are you referring to - the ones attached to every brake pad? Never even thought about removing it.

 

[EarlyBird]

Yes, I will try EBC Extremes next.

What backing plates are you referring to - the ones attached to every brake pad? Never even thought about removing it.

Yes the ones that get attached to the back of the Brake pad! And I have to agree I never thought of not using them... Figured they were there for a reason!