Proof, removing the ECU restrictions equals no peformance gain!

lankeeyankee said:
You obviously don't have a clue about bracket racing if you are asking how a 7.30 bike can beat a 5.80 bike.
I never realized how many ignorant people we have that don't understand bracket racing.

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Did you overdose on stupid pills before writing this?
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First off you didn't beat the 5.80 bike because your not faster. You didn't out E.T, you were just better running a time that you guessed at. I run 5.85-.89s all day every day. Fastest so far is 5.83 and my goal is a 5.79 before I go arm and air shifter. It's my street bike that I bracket race when I'm bored or there is a good 5.80 class with a cheap buy in that I play with.

Your best is 7.30, how can you beat me if I'm dialing in 6.80. Guess what clown you can't. You can't ride at all and that shows by leaving in C mode. The difference in out times is marginal and youll never make it through the 60 foot mark before your caught. Once that is done is just a matter of riding a half a bike or so in front of you. Pass me and you run out - So you lose, finish beside me - you lose.

Stupid is thinking that your doing something that has never been done. The reason bracket racing is so strict now is people like myself that would change their dial in every pass to send people like you home. Dragbikes have a hard time gauging time unlike street bikes. Dial in 5.80s and know I'll never run out, get beside you and dial 6.80 your going home.

Last but not least your not proving anything about flashing an ecu riding in C mode. When you graduate to A mode let me know. Don't rush into B mode, I hear that bike really starts getting aggressive
 
I might be wrong but I think he was saying he launched in C and shifted to A. I might be wrong. Going back to read :laugh:
 
I understand that bracket racing can be more difficult with all that , trying to slow down at the end so you don't go too fast. But if thats Real drag racing , why don't the pro's do it ? Oh I know , cause its called RACING ! 1st one to the end wins !!

Oh and those were sme nice pics but I couldn't find the bikes in them
 
People who say that bracket racing is not racing are probably not any good at it.

It is a way to race for money that places emphasis on repeatability, and not outright speed.

Bracket racing is how I paid for my first Busa..... By traveling less than 5 miles to my local track every weekend, I won over 8k my best year. And I definitely did not have the most expensive car!
 
IMO heads up is the most fun but it can somewhat be classed as cheque book racing, where the richest will normally win, bracket racing enables a vast range of cars/bikes to compete on an even field, although how even really depends on the et cut off, ie its prob a lot easier to be consistant in a 20sec auto car than a 7 sec car !!!
My drag car
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Money Wins Heads Up, Skill And Talent Wins Bracket Racing. Just as Ludicrous commented since he seems to be also a competitive bracket racer. No more of a need to try and explain, bracket racing is a very complexed sport that involves more then just twisting the whick. Consistency is the key along with speed and distance judging.
As far greyhoud goes its very obvious that his races were with inexpierenced bracket racers. Sand bagging doesnt win with competitive bracket racers due to the poor inconsistent reaction times which part he doesnt understand. If I cut .508 reaction to your .623 reaction thats a .115 advantage I have on you, meaning on the other end I am dialed in a slow 7.30 I can now run anything from a 7.30 to a 7.415 which I wont run anything more then a .25 off my dial in so guess what as your leading with one ahead going down the track and say you do cross in front of me at .020 YOU JUST BROKE OUT!! which means your loaded up going home with yourt super fast non winning cash bike to sit and watch the rest of the expierenced racers.. I am sure this is way over your head since it takes calculations, which I know with your ignorant therory on how you can win, which is only in your head! We have a few Megabike Races this year in Tennessee, you should bring your fast street bike down and try your therory with some of these South East Division bracket racers that may be nice and give you a .060 package to play with on your sand bagging style, Best of luck with it. Since you have it all figured out put up some proof of your wins or past showing your skill set which I will spare all here, I mush rather we bracket race in person for some cash.
I am done here with this thread, its obvious it turned in to a cluster fuk with ignorant comments to get off the topic and of course we have many followers here to jump on the band wagon and show there ignorance on a topic that proves they are not familiar with..
Might as well close this thread or you can leave it open for entertainment purposes.:beerchug:
 
Honestly, WHO CARES about bracket this or that.....this thread was suppose to be about removing ECU restrictions... :poke:

Launching in C-mode reduces/limits the secondary throttle blades from opening which COMPLETELY VOIDS ANY changes you have made to the ECU in low RPM or lower gears.

For anyone not understanding, of course he didn't see a change. That's like running a marathon with a paper bag over your head and then cutting a hole in the bag (removing the restriction), then covering the paper bag with a plastic trash bag. What restriction did your remove? You did NOTHING BUT MAKE IT WORSE by launching in C-mode!!!

:idea:

Not to mention depending what RPM you launch at, you are probably never below the RPM affected by the restriciton... :whistle:

That is where your thread went south and you talking about something not even realted just diverted the attention... :banghead:

Rethink what exactly you're testing and try again... :spank:
 
The timing retard restrictions are in 1st - 4 gears if I understand correctly.
I wouldnt expect to see an increase at the 60' mark cause obviously I am still in c-mode.
If the bike is supposed to pull harder I would think it would be seen from the 330 (half track) to the finish line which is in A mode 2nd and 3rd. Which there was no increase in time and of course mph.
Its only in c mode in first gear then it goes to A during the shift in to 2nd gear.
 
Admittedly I'm not a drag racer, but I'm unclear on something here. It seems like this would all be simplified by just launching in A mode. People have been racing without power modes for a long time, right? Isn't launching in C mode basically using a crutch that overly complicates the situation and could potentially skew any expected results of ECU modification?
 
Flicka said:
Admittedly I'm not a drag racer, but I'm unclear on something here. It seems like this would all be simplified by just launching in A mode. People have been racing without power modes for a long time, right? Isn't launching in C mode basically using a crutch that overly complicates the situation and could potentially skew any expected results of ECU modification?
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Says the guy with traction control. :whistle:

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GsxrBots said:
Says the guy with traction control. :whistle:

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:werd: I'm just asking...

For my bike, if I wanted to launch harder the power mode would be Full and T/C would be turned off.
 
Flicka said:
Admittedly I'm not a drag racer, but I'm unclear on something here. It seems like this would all be simplified by just launching in A mode. People have been racing without power modes for a long time, right? Isn't launching in C mode basically using a crutch that overly complicates the situation and could potentially skew any expected results of ECU modification?
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The reason for launching in C mode is the same as the reason stretched busas running a multi stage clutches, boost controllers for turbos or progressive timers with nitrous. Stretched racers battle either breaking the tire loose or even wheeling. My suspension setup is for street riding but I also enjoy bracket racing. In order to be competitive you have to be consistent EVERY pass rather then dealing with power wheelies I launch inc mode which allows me to go full throttle rather then blipping the throttle on the back wheel.
 
lankeeyankee said:
The timing retard restrictions are in 1st - 4 gears if I understand correctly.
I wouldnt expect to see an increase at the 60' mark cause obviously I am still in c-mode.
If the bike is supposed to pull harder I would think it would be seen from the 330 (half track) to the finish line which is in A mode 2nd and 3rd. Which there was no increase in time and of course mph.
Its only in c mode in first gear then it goes to A during the shift in to 2nd gear.
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At what RPM do you "think" the timing is restricted?

Your entire test is flawed...


lankeeyankee said:
The reason for launching in C mode is the same as the reason stretched busas running a multi stage clutches, boost controllers for turbos or progressive timers with nitrous. Stretched racers battle either breaking the tire loose or even wheeling. My suspension setup is for street riding but I also enjoy bracket racing. In order to be competitive you have to be consistent EVERY pass rather then dealing with power wheelies I launch inc mode which allows me to go full throttle rather then blipping the throttle on the back wheel.
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This is why I can't get into bracket racing. You are taking out the human factor of actually riding the thing WELL....run the # without a delay box, traction control, etc. CONSISTENTLY....that's more fun for me..

It's one thing if you are talking about a boost/nitrous controller on a 500-600hp Turbo/Nitrous bike....but a stock engine N/A bike you need to learn to work the throttle/clutch... :laugh:
 
sorry, but if im bracket racing and go 11.0 and I win there is something fundamentally wrong with that....:whistle: if ur going deep into the 9's, 8's or 7's and bracket racing I can understand that to a degree cause ur letting it hang out usually but if ur bike is goin 11.0 or even 10.50 and daily driver Mustangs who drove to the track are beating you I dont care what you want to call it that is LAME!

for the most part people I see bracket racing have turds and either cant and wont spend the money to go faster to compete cause they are afraid they will be embarassed. maybe their scard or maybe they just dont have the funds. either way its lame.

watching people hit their brakes cause their gonna break out is the most pathetic form of racing ive ever seen and again its not RACING. same thing with that gay ass show PINKS. racing is going as fast as you can every time. "you went too fast, ur out of here". how GAY!

being consistantly slow and winning is about as exciting to watch as Jr. dragsters are.....:whistle:

the whole point of going to the drag strip is hoping to go faster then you went the previous time by honing ur skillz and setting ur bike up to be perform better NOT performing as well as you did 5 years ago.....:whistle: "but im consistent, consistently slow".....:moon:
 
GNBRETT said:
sorry, but if im bracket racing and go 11.0 and I win there is something fundamentally wrong with that....:whistle: if ur going deep into the 9's, 8's or 7's and bracket racing I can understand that to a degree cause ur letting it hang out usually but if ur bike is goin 11.0 or even 10.50 and daily driver Mustangs who drove to the track are beating you I dont care what you want to call it that is LAME!

for the most part people I see bracket racing have turds and either cant and wont spend the money to go faster to compete cause they are afraid they will be embarassed. maybe their scard or maybe they just dont have the funds. either way its lame.

watching people hit their brakes cause their gonna break out is the most pathetic form of racing ive ever seen and again its not RACING. same thing with that gay ass show PINKS. racing is going as fast as you can every time. "you went too fast, ur out of here". how GAY!

being consistantly slow and winning is about as exciting to watch as Jr. dragsters are.....:whistle:

the whole point of going to the drag strip is hoping to go faster then you went the previous time by honing ur skillz and setting ur bike up to be perform better NOT performing as well as you did 5 years ago.....:whistle: "but im consistent, consistently slow".....:moon:
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How about classes where you all run to the same 'bracket' like 9.50 and 8.50 bike ???
 
If the world was perfect he would have a point. The reason they stopped letting people change dial ins in bracket racing is due to what I explained. No matter what your reaction time is it is irrelevant if our 60 foot isn't close. Entire reason they only allow one dial in. OP entire test is flawed since its to many factors involved. 1 is he getting the bike from C to A mode the exact same pass every time. 2 is the rpm and throttle position the same. 3did the servo open the exact same speed to move the secondaries.

How you manage to run the same times year after year amazes me. Simply astonishing how year after year you are no faster. Its because of idiots, my bad amateurs like you I have guys on 600s and 750s thinking their bikes will beat a Busa.


Its sad because you really want to go faster, that's the reason you flashed the ECU. Ill be at the dragons tail last week of June with the little old 5.80 bike in the trailer. No problems at all going to the track to take your money. When its over you can go home and ponder your bracket racing theories. Got a scooter if you wanna do a heads up run when its over to try and get your money back. Outta be ashamed of yourself.
 
:popcorn: I have nothing to offer on this subject. However, I have certainly enjoyed the :fight:it's been a real :rofl:
 
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