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I was reading that BMW will now charge $18 a month for heated seats. a feature that comes with the car but can now be disabled remotely from BMW. How do you feel about motorcycles going that route? would it stop you from buying a new motorcycle?
 
I was reading that BMW will now charge $18 a month for heated seats. a feature that comes with the car but can now be disabled remotely from BMW. How do you feel about motorcycles going that route? would it stop you from buying a new motorcycle?
I read that a while ago as well.....with all the modern electronics in vehicles it sure makes it easy for "big brother" to impose themselves.

There is no way I'd ever buy any vehicle that has this.
 
I read that a while ago as well.....with all the modern electronics in vehicles it sure makes it easy for "big brother" to impose themselves.

There is no way I'd ever buy any vehicle that has this.
It want until a few years ago that I bought a car with some newer features. Although they are nice and convenient, I see it as being another thing that could go wrong and would need the dealer to service it.
 
It want until a few years ago that I bought a car with some newer features. Although they are nice and convenient, I see it as being another thing that could go wrong and would need the dealer to service it.
I had a former officer who always bought BMW cars...as soon as the warranty was due, he'd trade them as they became very problematic as they aged....

The bikes are the same way....

Technology is getting better and better and the things that used to always break aren't...anyone who had older cars with power windows and such will remember how often they broke.
 
I read that a while ago as well.....with all the modern electronics in vehicles it sure makes it easy for "big brother" to impose themselves.

There is no way I'd ever buy any vehicle that has this.
Problem is that unless the salesman is up front or even knows about this and shares it with the client they will never know until long after the purchase. Equally so it’s the clients responsibility to know what they are getting into. BMW and others already charge to use the navigation system in the vehicles. I take them em all the time with dead maps and a banner on the screen that says ‘subscription required’.
People could buy a Lincoln that has it built in, updates via satellite with new roads constantly and automatically and is free for the life of the vehicle. But Lincoln doesn’t have the same ring as BMW does when it comes out of their mouths at the golf club.
 
I am reading through the lines in BMW's communiqués and I think that the primary purpose of this is to work as an upsell. They want people in rentals or used vehicles to be able to switch on a very expensive feature, become addicted to it and then select the option for their next new vehicle. To me this is nothing more than the latest screwball idea from Big Marketing.

I had a former officer who always bought BMW cars...as soon as the warranty was due, he'd trade them as they became very problematic as they aged....

One half of the movement of new BMW's in the US is via lease. As everyone advises not to purchase one outright, there is no doubt that their moronic, excessively engineered, fragile designs are a significant contributor to this.

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Heated seats are standard equipment and free on even the cheapest Ford/Lincoln vehicles. Personally I think bimmer has a lot of nerve charging for something as simple as this. Then again if you want Bluetooth in one you have to pay like $4000 to get the package that contains it. Again this is a standard feature on every Ford/Lincoln vehicle.
Never understood why people pay so much more for so much less just because of a brand name. Same goes for Mercedes Benz and Range Rovers. Status symbols with half the features unless you pay for them. Lmao…
 
I was reading that BMW will now charge $18 a month for heated seats. a feature that comes with the car but can now be disabled remotely from BMW. How do you feel about motorcycles going that route? would it stop you from buying a new motorcycle?
It's going to create a black market to remove these features, I would park my vehicles in a faraday cage, remove all satellite uplink and broadband electronics, phuck that noise.
 
I got into a "disagreement" with a dealer at a Mazda dealership over this very thing recently! The worst part is it is already happening in the Moto realm. KTM (and I am sure others) are charging people to simply activate features (maps, quick-shifter, suspension etc.) that are already built into the bike on new models. God I love the simplicity of my Gen 1!
 
I got into a "disagreement" with a dealer at a Mazda dealership over this very thing recently! The worst part is it is already happening in the Moto realm. KTM (and I am sure others) are charging people to simply activate features (maps, quick-shifter, suspension etc.) that are already built into the bike on new models. God I love the simplicity of my Gen 1!
BMW did this same thing a few years ago with their bikes...a friend of mine paid his dealer to activate modes through his ECU in his S1K. Not sure what he had activated though.
 
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