I pasted this in another thread but thought many would like to see it. I thought it was very interesting.
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Lazerblade, the interesting part is the misinformation in the photo. Of the 10 living crew members who served directly with Kerry, only one (Gardner) opposes Kerry. He was the front gunner on PCF 44, Kerry's first boat. All the members on PT 94 boat vigerously support him aong with a SF soldier whose live was saved by the actions of PT94.
Regardless how you feel about Kerry's stint in the navy, as with all deciding issues, it is a matter of comparing two people. Bush's military experience was a joke-- can anyone argue to the contrary?. Kerry's is somewhere in the middle of what both camps tout, but certainly head and shoulders about Bush.
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Regardless how you feel about Kerry's stint in the navy, as with all deciding issues, it is a matter of comparing two people. Bush's military experience was a joke-- can anyone argue to the contrary?. Kerry's is somewhere in the middle of what both camps tout, but certainly head and shoulders about Bush.
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ACK! Thread runed by Sledhead again.
WOW, don't even know where to start with this. Kerry spent 4 months in combat and received 3 Purple Hearts, which he will allow no one to forget, for injuries even the military physicians question. Then he may, or may not have, thrown them away in prostest. Oh wait a minute, they were ribbons not medals and they were certainly "interchangeable" at the time.
I think it is admirable that he saw combat and served our country, but are you casting a dispersion on the thousands of Reservists that stand at the ready but havn't seen combat? And I am sure that to be intillectually honest you share the same opinion of Clinton who did nothing and Gore who was a "Military Photographer" in the field for a few months and had a personal body gaurd to ensure that he saw no harm?
The fact of the matter is both individuals served their country and they both have my respect for that. So lets look at what they have done since then.
Kerry accused his fellow soldiers, and himself, of war attrocities, he has voted at every turn to cut the military, he has been on the wrong side of history since his history began (cold war & iraq just to name a couple), he has changed his mind, his view, his votes, and his version of what he has said more times than he has years in office, he has never sponsered any of his own legislation and can barely say he has been a Senator by lookin at how many votes he has missed. And to your point of the Swift Boat crews, it may be true that only one of the guys that served with JK opposes him, but those units in their totality oppose him by a margin of 10 to 1. Stop and ask yourself a Q, what has JK actually accomplished in his political career? Name one thing, just one. Weather it be a piece of legislation, reform, whatever. Just a note to save you some time, you wont find any.
I am sure pointing out what Bush has done since the war would be fruitless for a Kerry cool aid drinker and you already have an idea of what that has been. Feel free to post a rebuttle to this or Bush's record and I will debate you all day long. Bush is Gettin'r Done!
Sorry gotta go, I must call the UN and get permission to have breakfast! Grape cool aid anyone?
Oompa Loompa? Is that how it goes?
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Justouttime,
I was temped not to reply to such shotty diatribe, but I’m catching my breath from mowing the grass and have nothing better to do. Comments in-line:
“I think it is admirable that he saw combat and served our country, but are you casting a dispersion on the thousands of Reservists that stand at the ready but havn't seen combat?â€
Comment: I fully respect the folks of the guard and reserve units—your missing the point. The point was folks criticize Kerry’s military record. I don’t hear those folks talking about Bush’s record. For example, perhaps you can answer:
* Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?
* Why Did Bush Specifically Request To NOT Be Sent Overseas For Duty?
* Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?
* Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders To Not Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?
* Where Are Bush’s Flight Logs?
* Why Hasn’t Bush Himself Demonstrated That He Showed Up For Service in Alabama?
It would be an interesting tale since Bush himself hasn’t answered these questions. I don’t know if you ever served in the military, but Bush’s service record is unlike anyone I ever knew in the service. I personally prefer to have a commander that has seen, killed, and witnessed death and therefore understand the reality of war prior to sending off our finest men and woman in harms way.
“And I am sure that to be intillectually honest you share the same opinion of Clinton who did nothing and Gore who was a "Military Photographer" in the field for a few months and had a personal body gaurd to ensure that he saw no harm?
Comment: Your mistaking me for a dem with tunnel vision. I am an independent and voted reagon, bush sr, Clinton, and bushy jr in that order. While I agree that Clinton and Gore’s (whom I didn’t vote for) service record or lack of it is no better than Bush, neither wrapped themselves in a flag of patriotism to try to get elected. Neither of them attacked their opponent’s military record.
†Stop and ask yourself a Q, what has JK actually accomplished in his political career? Name one thing, just one. Weather it be a piece of legislation, reform, whatever. Just a note to save you some time, you wont find anyâ€
Comment: The busa service manual makes good reading, but u need to expand your library… Here’s a small capsule of JKs record just over the last several years (I organized by category. You’ll notices the references and source material at the end of each section, as any worthwhile claim should have… I just selected a few categories, as I have to be getting back to the grass in a minute….how bout this, for every piece of legislation and/or reform that JK either sponsored or co-sponsored I did up, you give me a buck and make it worth my time to dispel drivel.
Healthcare:
Kerry Has Supported More than 200 Health Care Bills on Key Issues Since 1997. In the last six years alone, Kerry has sponsored or cosponsored more than 200 health care bills. Many have become law, including: a bill to expand the availability of health care coverage for working individuals with disabilities; a bill to provide medical assistance for certain women screened and found to have breast or cervical cancer; and a bill to provide for research on muscular dystrophy. (S. 331, Work Incentives Improvement Act of 1999, introduced 1/28/99 (Kerry original cosponsor), became public law 106-170; S. 662, Breast and Cervical Cancer Prevention and Treatment Act of 2000, introduced 3/18/99 (Kerry cosponsored 4/22/99), incorporated as an amendment to HR. 4386 which became public law 106-354; S. 805, Muscular Dystrophy Community Assistance, Outreach and Education Amendments of 2001, introduced 5/1/01 (Kerry original cosponsor), became public law 107-84)
Veterans:
John Kerry has worked in the Senate to increase spending on veteran health care. In 2001, Kerry voted to increase funding for veterans health care by $1.7 billion. In 1999, Kerry also voted to increase medical care for Veterans Health Administration and to give another $1.3 billion for overall veterans' health care. Kerry is continuing to work for veterans and, "in calling for greater access to health care for veterans, cited estimates of nearly 235,000 veterans on a waiting list for Veterans Administration services, with tens of thousands waiting to access their prescription drug benefit. Kerry is sponsoring legislation that would permit veterans already on the waiting list to fill a prescription written by a private physician at a VA hospital." Kerry repeated his commitment to veterans' health recently during a trip to Iowa: "Co-founder of the Vietnam Veterans of America and a lifetime member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Kerry made frequent reference to his war service. Thousands of veterans are now being denied promised health care benefits, he said. "I'm particularly sensitive that we keep faith with those who have worn the uniform of their country." (Senate Roll Call Vote 1999, No. 285, No. 286; 2001, No. 84; AP 5/30/03; The Hawk Eye, 6/1/03)
Healthcare reform:
Kerry Wrote Legislation to Extend Health Insurance to Needy Children; Voted for Additional Funding to Expand the Program. In 1996, Kerry wrote the "Healthy Children, Family Assistance Health Insurance Program" to allow "families who do not qualify for Medicaid, but who are financially unable to purchase private insurance, to be given government subsidies to purchase private coverage for their children. 'This is a serious effort to stop the political bickering and help the millions of children without health insurance lead better and healthier lives, and give their parents the peace of mind they deserve,' Kerry said." (American Health Line, 6/21/96)
Kerry Authored the HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Assistance Legislation. John Kerry wrote the Aids Assistance legislation to help establish a comprehensive, integrated, five year strategy to combat the global spread of HIV and AIDS. It also significantly increases the funding for HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria prevention and treatment programs. 'The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward," said Senator Frist. "It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS'." (Office of Senator Bill Frist, press release 7/12/02)
Kerry's 'Nurse Reinvestment Act' Will Help End America's Nursing Shortage. John Kerry is the author of the "Nurse Reinvestment Act" which will help end the nursing shortage in the United States and is threatening our health care system. Kerry's legislation provides scholarships for nursing students, establishes training grants for nurses, offers grants to nursing schools for loan programs, institutes career ladder programs, creates a nurse retention and patient safety enhancement grant, and provides for a public service announcement campaign to promote the nursing profession. Dr. Charles H. Roadman II, Pres. of the American Health Care Association said Kerry was "deserving of praise" for his work to pass the bill. (CQ Weekly, 4/24/03; 107th Congress, S. 706; Oncology Nursing Soc. website: ONS Supported Legis. 107th Congress; US Newswire 4/6/01; Wash Times, Letters, 7/28/02)
Small Business
:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Senator John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), Ranking Member of the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, today announced the unanimous Senate passage of the Small Business Administration 50th Anniversary Reauthorization Act of 2003 (S.1375).
Kerry co-sponsored the legislation, which reauthorizes the programs of the Small Business Administration through fiscal year 2006, with Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine), Chair of the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship. The bill will provide U.S. small businesses more than $108 billion for loan guarantees, venture capital investments, and business counseling and training over three years.
"The SBA and its many successful initiatives are tremendously important to small businesses, and with the passage of this legislation we have demonstrated our intentions to help America's small businesses weather this economy," said Kerry. "It is particularly important in this slumping economy that we do everything we can to foster the creation and growth of small businesses, which are our country's best job creators."
The legislation incorporates several small business assistance bills and initiatives introduced by Kerry previously this year, including:
- the Child Care Lending Pilot Act of 2003 (S. 822), creating a pilot program extending the SBA's 504 plant and equipment loan program to include non-profit child care providers;
- the Small Business Federal Contractor Safeguard Act (S. 633), implementing a two-tiered approach to close the loopholes that have allowed agencies to bundle contracts, and limit federal contracting opportunities for small businesses;
- the Microloan Program Improvement Act of 2001 (S. 174), designed to make the SBA Microloan Program more flexible to meet credit needs, more accessible to micro-entrepreneurs across the nation, and more streamlined for lenders to make loans and provide management assistance;
- the Native American Small Business Development Act (S. 1126), making statutory the Office of Native American Affairs at SBA, expanding on the previously established Tribal Business Information Center (TBIC) program at SBA and establishing two pilot grant programs to assist Native American communities; and
- the Small Business Drought Relief Act of 2003 (S. 318), directing the SBA to extend disaster loans to non-farm related small businesses affected by drought in declared drought disaster areas.
In addition, the legislation secures the Women's Business Centers by making permanent the Women's Business Centers Sustainability Pilot established by Kerry in 1999.]
Environment
Led the fight in the Senate to protect the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge from oil drilling.
Sponsored legislation to increase CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for cars and light trucks to 36 MPG from 27.5 and 20.7, respectively. Has the highest career rating of any candidate from the League of Conservation Voters (96.5%).
Repeatedly pushed legislation to expand the use of renewable energy and cut down on consumption of fossil fuels.
Co-sponsored legislation to increase funding for Superfund cleanup efforts nationwide.
Authored legislation banning the dumping of waste off our coasts and sponsored bills protecting marine mammals.
Pledged to create a national health tracking system for environmental health hazards.
“Kerry’s unsurpassed leadership on clean air, safe drinking water, and open space issues make him an invaluable environmental leader.â€
—League of Conservation Voters
While I get back to the grass, perhaps you could poke Bush on the shoulder and tell him he’s running up a 1.7billion dollar debt DAILY
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Man this was a lot of words to get credit for one post
-snake
While I’m having fun:
George W. Bush's Resume
George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Past Work Experience
• Ran for congress and lost.
• Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
• Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
• With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions
• Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
• Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
• Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.
• Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments As President
• Attacked and took over two countries.
• Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
• Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
• Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
• Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
• First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
• First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
• First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
• After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
• Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
• In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
• Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
• Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
• Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
• Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
• Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
• Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
• Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
• Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
• Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
• Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
• Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
• First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
• Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
• Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
• First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
• Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
• Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
• Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
• Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
• First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
• All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
• My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
• Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
• First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
• First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
• Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
• With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
• Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
• First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
• Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
• Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
• Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
• Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
• In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
• Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
• In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
• Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References
• At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
• AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
• Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
• All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
I was temped not to reply to such shotty diatribe, but I’m catching my breath from mowing the grass and have nothing better to do. Comments in-line:
“I think it is admirable that he saw combat and served our country, but are you casting a dispersion on the thousands of Reservists that stand at the ready but havn't seen combat?â€
Comment: I fully respect the folks of the guard and reserve units—your missing the point. The point was folks criticize Kerry’s military record. I don’t hear those folks talking about Bush’s record. For example, perhaps you can answer:
* Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?
* Why Did Bush Specifically Request To NOT Be Sent Overseas For Duty?
* Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?
* Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders To Not Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?
* Where Are Bush’s Flight Logs?
* Why Hasn’t Bush Himself Demonstrated That He Showed Up For Service in Alabama?
It would be an interesting tale since Bush himself hasn’t answered these questions. I don’t know if you ever served in the military, but Bush’s service record is unlike anyone I ever knew in the service. I personally prefer to have a commander that has seen, killed, and witnessed death and therefore understand the reality of war prior to sending off our finest men and woman in harms way.
“And I am sure that to be intillectually honest you share the same opinion of Clinton who did nothing and Gore who was a "Military Photographer" in the field for a few months and had a personal body gaurd to ensure that he saw no harm?
Comment: Your mistaking me for a dem with tunnel vision. I am an independent and voted reagon, bush sr, Clinton, and bushy jr in that order. While I agree that Clinton and Gore’s (whom I didn’t vote for) service record or lack of it is no better than Bush, neither wrapped themselves in a flag of patriotism to try to get elected. Neither of them attacked their opponent’s military record.
†Stop and ask yourself a Q, what has JK actually accomplished in his political career? Name one thing, just one. Weather it be a piece of legislation, reform, whatever. Just a note to save you some time, you wont find anyâ€
Comment: The busa service manual makes good reading, but u need to expand your library… Here’s a small capsule of JKs record just over the last several years (I organized by category. You’ll notices the references and source material at the end of each section, as any worthwhile claim should have… I just selected a few categories, as I have to be getting back to the grass in a minute….how bout this, for every piece of legislation and/or reform that JK either sponsored or co-sponsored I did up, you give me a buck and make it worth my time to dispel drivel.
Healthcare:
Kerry Has Supported More than 200 Health Care Bills on Key Issues Since 1997. In the last six years alone, Kerry has sponsored or cosponsored more than 200 health care bills. Many have become law, including: a bill to expand the availability of health care coverage for working individuals with disabilities; a bill to provide medical assistance for certain women screened and found to have breast or cervical cancer; and a bill to provide for research on muscular dystrophy. (S. 331, Work Incentives Improvement Act of 1999, introduced 1/28/99 (Kerry original cosponsor), became public law 106-170; S. 662, Breast and Cervical Cancer Prevention and Treatment Act of 2000, introduced 3/18/99 (Kerry cosponsored 4/22/99), incorporated as an amendment to HR. 4386 which became public law 106-354; S. 805, Muscular Dystrophy Community Assistance, Outreach and Education Amendments of 2001, introduced 5/1/01 (Kerry original cosponsor), became public law 107-84)
Veterans:
John Kerry has worked in the Senate to increase spending on veteran health care. In 2001, Kerry voted to increase funding for veterans health care by $1.7 billion. In 1999, Kerry also voted to increase medical care for Veterans Health Administration and to give another $1.3 billion for overall veterans' health care. Kerry is continuing to work for veterans and, "in calling for greater access to health care for veterans, cited estimates of nearly 235,000 veterans on a waiting list for Veterans Administration services, with tens of thousands waiting to access their prescription drug benefit. Kerry is sponsoring legislation that would permit veterans already on the waiting list to fill a prescription written by a private physician at a VA hospital." Kerry repeated his commitment to veterans' health recently during a trip to Iowa: "Co-founder of the Vietnam Veterans of America and a lifetime member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Kerry made frequent reference to his war service. Thousands of veterans are now being denied promised health care benefits, he said. "I'm particularly sensitive that we keep faith with those who have worn the uniform of their country." (Senate Roll Call Vote 1999, No. 285, No. 286; 2001, No. 84; AP 5/30/03; The Hawk Eye, 6/1/03)
Healthcare reform:
Kerry Wrote Legislation to Extend Health Insurance to Needy Children; Voted for Additional Funding to Expand the Program. In 1996, Kerry wrote the "Healthy Children, Family Assistance Health Insurance Program" to allow "families who do not qualify for Medicaid, but who are financially unable to purchase private insurance, to be given government subsidies to purchase private coverage for their children. 'This is a serious effort to stop the political bickering and help the millions of children without health insurance lead better and healthier lives, and give their parents the peace of mind they deserve,' Kerry said." (American Health Line, 6/21/96)
Kerry Authored the HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Assistance Legislation. John Kerry wrote the Aids Assistance legislation to help establish a comprehensive, integrated, five year strategy to combat the global spread of HIV and AIDS. It also significantly increases the funding for HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria prevention and treatment programs. 'The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward," said Senator Frist. "It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS'." (Office of Senator Bill Frist, press release 7/12/02)
Kerry's 'Nurse Reinvestment Act' Will Help End America's Nursing Shortage. John Kerry is the author of the "Nurse Reinvestment Act" which will help end the nursing shortage in the United States and is threatening our health care system. Kerry's legislation provides scholarships for nursing students, establishes training grants for nurses, offers grants to nursing schools for loan programs, institutes career ladder programs, creates a nurse retention and patient safety enhancement grant, and provides for a public service announcement campaign to promote the nursing profession. Dr. Charles H. Roadman II, Pres. of the American Health Care Association said Kerry was "deserving of praise" for his work to pass the bill. (CQ Weekly, 4/24/03; 107th Congress, S. 706; Oncology Nursing Soc. website: ONS Supported Legis. 107th Congress; US Newswire 4/6/01; Wash Times, Letters, 7/28/02)
Small Business
:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Senator John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), Ranking Member of the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, today announced the unanimous Senate passage of the Small Business Administration 50th Anniversary Reauthorization Act of 2003 (S.1375).
Kerry co-sponsored the legislation, which reauthorizes the programs of the Small Business Administration through fiscal year 2006, with Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine), Chair of the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship. The bill will provide U.S. small businesses more than $108 billion for loan guarantees, venture capital investments, and business counseling and training over three years.
"The SBA and its many successful initiatives are tremendously important to small businesses, and with the passage of this legislation we have demonstrated our intentions to help America's small businesses weather this economy," said Kerry. "It is particularly important in this slumping economy that we do everything we can to foster the creation and growth of small businesses, which are our country's best job creators."
The legislation incorporates several small business assistance bills and initiatives introduced by Kerry previously this year, including:
- the Child Care Lending Pilot Act of 2003 (S. 822), creating a pilot program extending the SBA's 504 plant and equipment loan program to include non-profit child care providers;
- the Small Business Federal Contractor Safeguard Act (S. 633), implementing a two-tiered approach to close the loopholes that have allowed agencies to bundle contracts, and limit federal contracting opportunities for small businesses;
- the Microloan Program Improvement Act of 2001 (S. 174), designed to make the SBA Microloan Program more flexible to meet credit needs, more accessible to micro-entrepreneurs across the nation, and more streamlined for lenders to make loans and provide management assistance;
- the Native American Small Business Development Act (S. 1126), making statutory the Office of Native American Affairs at SBA, expanding on the previously established Tribal Business Information Center (TBIC) program at SBA and establishing two pilot grant programs to assist Native American communities; and
- the Small Business Drought Relief Act of 2003 (S. 318), directing the SBA to extend disaster loans to non-farm related small businesses affected by drought in declared drought disaster areas.
In addition, the legislation secures the Women's Business Centers by making permanent the Women's Business Centers Sustainability Pilot established by Kerry in 1999.]
Environment
Led the fight in the Senate to protect the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge from oil drilling.
Sponsored legislation to increase CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards for cars and light trucks to 36 MPG from 27.5 and 20.7, respectively. Has the highest career rating of any candidate from the League of Conservation Voters (96.5%).
Repeatedly pushed legislation to expand the use of renewable energy and cut down on consumption of fossil fuels.
Co-sponsored legislation to increase funding for Superfund cleanup efforts nationwide.
Authored legislation banning the dumping of waste off our coasts and sponsored bills protecting marine mammals.
Pledged to create a national health tracking system for environmental health hazards.
“Kerry’s unsurpassed leadership on clean air, safe drinking water, and open space issues make him an invaluable environmental leader.â€
—League of Conservation Voters
While I get back to the grass, perhaps you could poke Bush on the shoulder and tell him he’s running up a 1.7billion dollar debt DAILY
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Man this was a lot of words to get credit for one post
-snake
While I’m having fun:
George W. Bush's Resume
George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Past Work Experience
• Ran for congress and lost.
• Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
• Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
• With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions
• Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
• Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
• Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.
• Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments As President
• Attacked and took over two countries.
• Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
• Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
• Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
• Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
• First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
• First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
• First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
• After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
• Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
• In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
• Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
• Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
• Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
• Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
• Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
• Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
• Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
• Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
• Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
• Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
• Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
• First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
• Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
• Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
• First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
• Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
• Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
• Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
• Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
• First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
• All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
• My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
• Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
• First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
• First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
• First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
• Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
• With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
• Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
• First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
• Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
• Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
• Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
• Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
• In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
• Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
• In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
• Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References
• At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
• AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
• Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
• All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
• Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
See Mark, President Bush HAS done a lot!!!!
Impressive you dug all that up. Nice to have it all in one place for reading. Is all that to the best of your knowledge true and verifiable. Must admit, even though I am a Bush supporter, some of the items you mentioned are disturbing.
However, as much as I try not to, I had to laugh at the one accomplishment
"• Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. "
Have to admit, that is impressive for one person to do lol
Interesting read. Thanks Mark
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Impressive you dug all that up. Nice to have it all in one place for reading. Is all that to the best of your knowledge true and verifiable. Must admit, even though I am a Bush supporter, some of the items you mentioned are disturbing.
However, as much as I try not to, I had to laugh at the one accomplishment
"• Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. "
Have to admit, that is impressive for one person to do lol
Interesting read. Thanks Mark
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Ron, the Bush "resume" has been out there on blogs for a while. Most all the bullets are based on some fact and verifable although some of them leap to an unfounded -claim- i.e. the UN is irrelevant f(bush). I actually wrote to the author of the resume disputting a couple ecomonic claims, but never received a repsonse. Take it as gospel-- certainly not. Something to chew on-- definetely.
thesnakeoil,
I'm buying the next round of grape coolaid for you, it's on the house. I too could cut and paste pages of BS from the internet however I will do the typing myself.
"Comment: I fully respect the folks of the guard and reserve units—your missing the point. The point was folks criticize Kerry’s military record. I don’t hear those folks talking about Bush’s record. For example, perhaps you can answer:"
Of course I can't answer these Q's, no more than I can about Kerry's pushing for his own purple heart medals even when his superiors and physicians didn't believe it waranted such. We weren't there and thats why I said they both served and and have my respect for doing so. So it is you who miss my point.
"I personally prefer to have a commander that has seen, killed, and witnessed death and therefore understand the reality of war prior to sending off our finest men and woman in harms way."
So much for your intillectual honesty. The list of Presidents you claim to have voted for does not include all the "killers" that you claim to favor. And they did send our men and women into "harms way".
"Comment: Your mistaking me for a dem with tunnel vision. I am an independent and voted reagon, bush sr, Clinton, and bushy jr in that order. While I agree that Clinton and Gore’s (whom I didn’t vote for) service record or lack of it is no better than Bush, neither wrapped themselves in a flag of patriotism to try to get elected. Neither of them attacked their opponent’s military record."
Wow! An Independent huh? You sound like a seminar caller to Rush Limbaugh's radio show. Tell the audience you voted for Bush and then bash him. Note how you call him "bushy jr". The label Independent is BS anyway. Independents don't have the moral fortitude to figure out whats right on their own so they wait to see which way the general census is leaning and then they jump on. Really, when it comes to fundamental belief's who is an undecided voter or "Independent", please. I would be concerned if Bush didn't run on his record. Since when is it a bad thing to be patriotic? Maybe your ashamed of patriotism? I wonder why Clinton and Gore would not want to make military experience a talking point? Liberals were the first to attack military experience this time around so do some more "internet searches".
It is well after midnight now and am too tired to keep going. I will finish rebutting this non-sense when off of shift next. By the way, your GB resume has such a BS spin to it I will not even bother rebutting it. Did that spin cut & paste come from the Michael Moore fan club page?
I'm buying the next round of grape coolaid for you, it's on the house. I too could cut and paste pages of BS from the internet however I will do the typing myself.
"Comment: I fully respect the folks of the guard and reserve units—your missing the point. The point was folks criticize Kerry’s military record. I don’t hear those folks talking about Bush’s record. For example, perhaps you can answer:"
Of course I can't answer these Q's, no more than I can about Kerry's pushing for his own purple heart medals even when his superiors and physicians didn't believe it waranted such. We weren't there and thats why I said they both served and and have my respect for doing so. So it is you who miss my point.
"I personally prefer to have a commander that has seen, killed, and witnessed death and therefore understand the reality of war prior to sending off our finest men and woman in harms way."
So much for your intillectual honesty. The list of Presidents you claim to have voted for does not include all the "killers" that you claim to favor. And they did send our men and women into "harms way".
"Comment: Your mistaking me for a dem with tunnel vision. I am an independent and voted reagon, bush sr, Clinton, and bushy jr in that order. While I agree that Clinton and Gore’s (whom I didn’t vote for) service record or lack of it is no better than Bush, neither wrapped themselves in a flag of patriotism to try to get elected. Neither of them attacked their opponent’s military record."
Wow! An Independent huh? You sound like a seminar caller to Rush Limbaugh's radio show. Tell the audience you voted for Bush and then bash him. Note how you call him "bushy jr". The label Independent is BS anyway. Independents don't have the moral fortitude to figure out whats right on their own so they wait to see which way the general census is leaning and then they jump on. Really, when it comes to fundamental belief's who is an undecided voter or "Independent", please. I would be concerned if Bush didn't run on his record. Since when is it a bad thing to be patriotic? Maybe your ashamed of patriotism? I wonder why Clinton and Gore would not want to make military experience a talking point? Liberals were the first to attack military experience this time around so do some more "internet searches".
It is well after midnight now and am too tired to keep going. I will finish rebutting this non-sense when off of shift next. By the way, your GB resume has such a BS spin to it I will not even bother rebutting it. Did that spin cut & paste come from the Michael Moore fan club page?
thesnake
Registered
justoutatime,
I'm waiting for your offer of a dollar per legistation that JK sponsored or co-sponsored... You have a way of jotting down words with little or no substance.
It's been 25 years or so since Jonestown-- grape kool aide reference is pretty dated. Also, Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, the top Guyanese pathologist, was at Jonestown hours after the deaths, accompanied the teams that examined the bodies. His conclusions? Dr. Mootoo found fresh needle marks at the back of the left shoulder blades on 80 to 90 percent of the victims.
Perhaps even your witty references have no factual basis.
"So much for your intillectual honesty. The list of Presidents you claim to have voted for does not include all the "killers" that you claim to favor. And they did send our men and women into "harms way".
So much for your ability to comprehend English... What I said was "prefer" not insist. In the instances you alluded to, did the opponent have more credible military experience (dukakis, clinton, gore)
"told the audience you voted for Bush and then bash him. Note how you call him "bushy jr".
Bash, where? I certainly don't recall that. I do recall objecting to bashing to JK, and do recall saying Bush's policies and views run contrary to own. As for Bushy jr... would you deprive me of some fun while responding to nonsense?
"Independents don't have the moral fortitude to figure out whats right on their own so they wait to see which way the general census is leaning and then they jump on"
Ohh I see. It's moral fortitute to vote party lines and go with the flow. Look up the word "moral" in your funk and wagnell's so you can stop butchering language. If your hypothesis is that I jump on the winning team, geez it certainly seems I'm outnumbered here...
" Since when is it a bad thing to be patriotic? Maybe your ashamed of patriotism? "
Who said Bush is patriotic? you? Ashamed of patriotism? lol. I've done my service proudly and would do it again it a heartbeat. Out of curiousity I checked out your website. FD and EMT? Great, for a moment I was wondering if you were one of these armchair patriots. I also served on a volunteer FD and put myself through college as an EMT and then paramedic.
Before you get worked up in a frenzy about GW's resume-- I did preface it with "now for some fun" So you don't waste too much time hunting down sources, the author is Kelley Kramer and it is as much for entertainment as insight.
Now back to what you did say...
"Stop and ask yourself a Q, what has JK actually accomplished in his political career? Name one thing, just one. Weather it be a piece of legislation, reform, whatever. Just a note to save you some time, you wont find any."
Your lacking some credibility or is it your "moral fortitute" that you make foolish statements and then hide from them?
-snake
p.s. don't stay up too late and good job on your website even if it is a bit political.
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I'm waiting for your offer of a dollar per legistation that JK sponsored or co-sponsored... You have a way of jotting down words with little or no substance.
It's been 25 years or so since Jonestown-- grape kool aide reference is pretty dated. Also, Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, the top Guyanese pathologist, was at Jonestown hours after the deaths, accompanied the teams that examined the bodies. His conclusions? Dr. Mootoo found fresh needle marks at the back of the left shoulder blades on 80 to 90 percent of the victims.
Perhaps even your witty references have no factual basis.
"So much for your intillectual honesty. The list of Presidents you claim to have voted for does not include all the "killers" that you claim to favor. And they did send our men and women into "harms way".
So much for your ability to comprehend English... What I said was "prefer" not insist. In the instances you alluded to, did the opponent have more credible military experience (dukakis, clinton, gore)
"told the audience you voted for Bush and then bash him. Note how you call him "bushy jr".
Bash, where? I certainly don't recall that. I do recall objecting to bashing to JK, and do recall saying Bush's policies and views run contrary to own. As for Bushy jr... would you deprive me of some fun while responding to nonsense?
"Independents don't have the moral fortitude to figure out whats right on their own so they wait to see which way the general census is leaning and then they jump on"
Ohh I see. It's moral fortitute to vote party lines and go with the flow. Look up the word "moral" in your funk and wagnell's so you can stop butchering language. If your hypothesis is that I jump on the winning team, geez it certainly seems I'm outnumbered here...
" Since when is it a bad thing to be patriotic? Maybe your ashamed of patriotism? "
Who said Bush is patriotic? you? Ashamed of patriotism? lol. I've done my service proudly and would do it again it a heartbeat. Out of curiousity I checked out your website. FD and EMT? Great, for a moment I was wondering if you were one of these armchair patriots. I also served on a volunteer FD and put myself through college as an EMT and then paramedic.
Before you get worked up in a frenzy about GW's resume-- I did preface it with "now for some fun" So you don't waste too much time hunting down sources, the author is Kelley Kramer and it is as much for entertainment as insight.
Now back to what you did say...
"Stop and ask yourself a Q, what has JK actually accomplished in his political career? Name one thing, just one. Weather it be a piece of legislation, reform, whatever. Just a note to save you some time, you wont find any."
Your lacking some credibility or is it your "moral fortitute" that you make foolish statements and then hide from them?
-snake
p.s. don't stay up too late and good job on your website even if it is a bit political.
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thesnake
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ohh outatime, the senate and congressional records are publically available on-line. I would highly recommend you do a few "internet searches" and cut and paste from the actual public records rather than spout your nonsense... justathought2
-snakeoil
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Ooompa Loompa dooompity dooo...
Cannot remember any more of the song but...
thesnake
Registered
my favorite book and movie as a kid!
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
I have a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
What do you get when you guzzle down sweets?
Eating as much as an elephant eats
What are you at getting terribly fat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don't like the look of it
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not greedy, you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
I have a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
What do you get when you guzzle down sweets?
Eating as much as an elephant eats
What are you at getting terribly fat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don't like the look of it
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not greedy, you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
Snake Oil is right.... Tagging Bush with alot of those credits is pretty Funny... It should read
-"First President in History to have to take the reigns of an Economy that had been artificailly propped up and inflated by the Government... Clinton and his legacy is responsible for the sorry state of the economy..."
-"First President in History to have to take the reigns of an Economy that had been artificailly propped up and inflated by the Government... Clinton and his legacy is responsible for the sorry state of the economy..."
WOW! It has been a month since I was on the site, actually had to use the search engine to find this thread, my topic tracker expired. My life and job has been so busy I have barely been able to get email, which coincidentally is the only thing we have at the station, no internet.
So back to the promised debate at hand. First off I will do my part to stop the screen name butchering, ie. snakeoil, justouttime, etc., and we will lighten up this conversation with facts, since they cannot be "spun" by either party as they are what they are. Also you offered the bet of a $ per Leg., not me, as you incorrectly stated in your last email before this turned into an Willy Wonka nightmare.
I re-read everything to come back up to speed on where we where at and realized a small typo that sent us in a different direction. My voting record comment was actually supposed to be JE, as in John Edwards and not JK. I am quite confident your information will find the same things that I know:
*74 bills, NONE of which has emerged from Committee for a floor vote.
*78 amendments, 23 of which passed the Senate.
*6 resolutions, 4 of which passed the Senate.
*No legislation Edwards has been lead sponsor on has become law.
That aside, since I did call Kerry out on that I will be more than happy to debate his record. As I stated previously he served his country and I respect him for that, so this can be about what has happened since.
National security, which is the #1 issue for most Americans in this election and these times, shows Kerry is among the weakest. Kerry has voted against every major weapons system we now use in the military for victory, in 94' he voted to reduce our intelligence budget by 6B$, a move even his fellow Dems could not swallow, including Ted Kennedy, and was defeated, he was on the wrong side of the cold war and wanted a nuclear freeze, he was on the wrong side of the Gulf war in 91', while on the Senet Select Intelligence Committee he misssed 76% of all committee meetings and attended 0% in the year after the first WTC bombing, who knows where he is on this war he has quite literally taken so many positions that you just can't tell, he voted this time to give the President the authority to use force in Iraq against Sadam, but then changed his mind in his campaign and said it was the threat to use force, not the actual use of it, he sited the exact same intelligence that Clinton, Bush and numerous other candidates did, including John Edwards, for his prior campaigns, supporting President Clinton, and as late as 2002, yet now even after a good deal of the intelligence has been proven to be accurate, he says Bush was lying to go to war for his own personal reasons, he says no WMD has been found when in fact it has been, not in the qty's we thought it would be but also in wiolation of all the UN resolutions, he believes that the USA should have permission from the UN to act in our countries best interest when most Americans beleive the UN is not a capable organization, Ithin that's enough for now!
The economy, American voters second priority in these times. JK wants to raise taxes by letting the current tax cuts expire, history has well documented the success of tax cuts in a recession, they worked with JFK and Reagan, and they have arguably worked for Bush in turning around the recession that his administration was handed by the Clintons, and to address the non-sense that will surely come up about the tax cuts were for the "wealthy", everyone who pays taxes got a cut the last time around and as a % the wealthy got the least, JK voted against both tax cuts that have now been widely credited with economic expansion, he voted twice for the largest tax increase in US history under Clinton, in 94' he supported a .50 cents hike in gas taxes.
This is enough typing on this subject for the day. I will try to get a timely response to your rebuttle this time but my jobs are unpredictable and I am also in the process of moving so I may not even have internet access for awhile, be patient!
So back to the promised debate at hand. First off I will do my part to stop the screen name butchering, ie. snakeoil, justouttime, etc., and we will lighten up this conversation with facts, since they cannot be "spun" by either party as they are what they are. Also you offered the bet of a $ per Leg., not me, as you incorrectly stated in your last email before this turned into an Willy Wonka nightmare.
I re-read everything to come back up to speed on where we where at and realized a small typo that sent us in a different direction. My voting record comment was actually supposed to be JE, as in John Edwards and not JK. I am quite confident your information will find the same things that I know:
*74 bills, NONE of which has emerged from Committee for a floor vote.
*78 amendments, 23 of which passed the Senate.
*6 resolutions, 4 of which passed the Senate.
*No legislation Edwards has been lead sponsor on has become law.
That aside, since I did call Kerry out on that I will be more than happy to debate his record. As I stated previously he served his country and I respect him for that, so this can be about what has happened since.
National security, which is the #1 issue for most Americans in this election and these times, shows Kerry is among the weakest. Kerry has voted against every major weapons system we now use in the military for victory, in 94' he voted to reduce our intelligence budget by 6B$, a move even his fellow Dems could not swallow, including Ted Kennedy, and was defeated, he was on the wrong side of the cold war and wanted a nuclear freeze, he was on the wrong side of the Gulf war in 91', while on the Senet Select Intelligence Committee he misssed 76% of all committee meetings and attended 0% in the year after the first WTC bombing, who knows where he is on this war he has quite literally taken so many positions that you just can't tell, he voted this time to give the President the authority to use force in Iraq against Sadam, but then changed his mind in his campaign and said it was the threat to use force, not the actual use of it, he sited the exact same intelligence that Clinton, Bush and numerous other candidates did, including John Edwards, for his prior campaigns, supporting President Clinton, and as late as 2002, yet now even after a good deal of the intelligence has been proven to be accurate, he says Bush was lying to go to war for his own personal reasons, he says no WMD has been found when in fact it has been, not in the qty's we thought it would be but also in wiolation of all the UN resolutions, he believes that the USA should have permission from the UN to act in our countries best interest when most Americans beleive the UN is not a capable organization, Ithin that's enough for now!
The economy, American voters second priority in these times. JK wants to raise taxes by letting the current tax cuts expire, history has well documented the success of tax cuts in a recession, they worked with JFK and Reagan, and they have arguably worked for Bush in turning around the recession that his administration was handed by the Clintons, and to address the non-sense that will surely come up about the tax cuts were for the "wealthy", everyone who pays taxes got a cut the last time around and as a % the wealthy got the least, JK voted against both tax cuts that have now been widely credited with economic expansion, he voted twice for the largest tax increase in US history under Clinton, in 94' he supported a .50 cents hike in gas taxes.
This is enough typing on this subject for the day. I will try to get a timely response to your rebuttle this time but my jobs are unpredictable and I am also in the process of moving so I may not even have internet access for awhile, be patient!
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