Sure I'll get flamed over this, but it's good to see the tensioner situation is settling down. Seems like a virus, when one has a problem all has a problem. Have a friend that works for suzuki, he says there maybe isolated problems with the tensioner but it has been corrected on the 00 models. All this garbage about locking up at high speeds, crashing, hell if it's ment to be then it's time to go to the great HAYABUSA sky. You didn't buy this bike to ride slow, you bought it to play, well thats why I bought mine and yes I'm a SQUID. I ride with shorts and t/shirt.You guys should sit back and read some of this redundant mess.Buy more insurance if in dought, if you can't afford it then you don't need sport bike you need a moped.
Tensioner, Going, Going, Gone...
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OB_NumbNuts
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manual tensioner arriving today YIPPEEEE
3 dot pinky making noise like the spinning of a revolvers' chamber..............
Nuts
3 dot pinky making noise like the spinning of a revolvers' chamber..............
Nuts
Sparks, Smoke, Ah yes I can see them now, FLAMES!
We have the fastest bike on the plannet BAR NONE.
If we use that performance on the road, to any great extent, we are taking a risk. We could get caught and banned for speeding, we have tin boxes out to kill us. We know the risks, and hopefully use our skills and experience to keep those risks to a managable level.
The one thing we need to be able to do is trust the bike. We don't need additional risks piling up from cam chains snapping, or subframes folding up when we're two up!
Do you have enough imagination to picture what would happen if a chain broke at high speed? Even Suzuki, who will be wanting to re-assure customers, admit there is a chance of the wheel locking if the tensioner breaks.
It's happened to several '00s , as they use the same tensioner as the recall installed on ,99s.
If you like uncontrolled risks, then maybe you should get your kicks another way : Russian roulette perhaps??
We have the fastest bike on the plannet BAR NONE.
If we use that performance on the road, to any great extent, we are taking a risk. We could get caught and banned for speeding, we have tin boxes out to kill us. We know the risks, and hopefully use our skills and experience to keep those risks to a managable level.
The one thing we need to be able to do is trust the bike. We don't need additional risks piling up from cam chains snapping, or subframes folding up when we're two up!
Do you have enough imagination to picture what would happen if a chain broke at high speed? Even Suzuki, who will be wanting to re-assure customers, admit there is a chance of the wheel locking if the tensioner breaks.
It's happened to several '00s , as they use the same tensioner as the recall installed on ,99s.
If you like uncontrolled risks, then maybe you should get your kicks another way : Russian roulette perhaps??
jzdad
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i will only speak for myself and say how disapointed i am with suzuki. this bike is great and had the best 2 up riding ever. now my wife would't get on, even if i let her. how could i explain to my daughter that her mom took a 100 mph spill off the back of a bike i new had failures before. Too risky for me. and our options are limited...
OB_Rocket Man
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Why do we keep getting people that doubt that the tensioner is bad! I doubted it, then mine broke. Don't even think about it, call APE and install a manual. You have been warned, again.
I agree with the sentiments of "bigpapa" Whilst I am fixing the tensioner by fitting a manual one, the subframe is still a big worry.
My girlfriend and I were going to tour Scotland in 2 weeks time. Now I am seriously thinking of cancelling, because of the subframe problem. My girlfriend has seen the pictures in Motorcycle news, and is now scared to go on the back.
Whilst the subframe failure has only occured on a handfull of bikes worldwide, (and I admit I'm guessing here) I would think 80% of all busas are ridden solo all of the time. Of the other 20%, I would guess that they are ridden solo 70% of that time. No wonder we havn't seen more failures.
I specifically chose the Hayabusa over something like, say the R1, because it is a sporty bike, with two up touring ability.
I too am dissapointed with Suzuki, not least because they have remained silent on both issues.
My girlfriend and I were going to tour Scotland in 2 weeks time. Now I am seriously thinking of cancelling, because of the subframe problem. My girlfriend has seen the pictures in Motorcycle news, and is now scared to go on the back.
Whilst the subframe failure has only occured on a handfull of bikes worldwide, (and I admit I'm guessing here) I would think 80% of all busas are ridden solo all of the time. Of the other 20%, I would guess that they are ridden solo 70% of that time. No wonder we havn't seen more failures.
I specifically chose the Hayabusa over something like, say the R1, because it is a sporty bike, with two up touring ability.
I too am dissapointed with Suzuki, not least because they have remained silent on both issues.
OB_NumbNuts
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DaveD
I will mail you later with a interim fix I have been thinking about
You have mail!!!!
Let me know what you think!!
Nuts
[This message has been edited by NumbNuts (edited 01 August 2000).]
I will mail you later with a interim fix I have been thinking about
You have mail!!!!
Let me know what you think!!
Nuts
[This message has been edited by NumbNuts (edited 01 August 2000).]
OB_CanuckBusa
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cam chain tensioner and subframe. am I concerned about these two things? yes. what can you do? read on.
well, in spite of my local dealer and some of the guys on this board telling me I have nothing to worry about, regarding the tensioner adjuster, I have to keep in mind that there are some great guys on this website, who have shared lessons that they have learned the 'hard way' (Tom McQueen, etc. etc.). And if I don't listen to those lessons and act on them then maybe I am a fool.
So my APE tensioner arrived today and I am going to have the shop put it in. Issue #1 resolved.
As far as the subframe issue is concerned, I plan on doing three things. First, follow up with Suzuki (Suzuki is not returning the dealer's call on this issue. NOT GOOD.) Second, I will order the aircraft cable that Gary Evans has described in one of his posts (yes, unfortunately I had to go to LABusas to get this info - but the info Gary has put there is very good. DP is probably smiling now.). Third, talk to Suzuki Canada myself since they aren't calling the dealer back. If in doubt escalate, politely.
Like bigpapa and DaveD say, this is a great two person bike, but you can't take a risk with your wife on the back even if that risk is small. You have to do something about it. For now, I will ride alone while I am working the subframe issue with Suzuki and trying to get a safety wire backup in place.
Does this suck? Big time. Why am I driving a tank if the frame can break? Good question. I may as well drive a liter bike.
But you need to take responsibility for the things you can do something about, and that includes using the information that some really good guys have posted on this board. Even if that information isn't happy news.
well, in spite of my local dealer and some of the guys on this board telling me I have nothing to worry about, regarding the tensioner adjuster, I have to keep in mind that there are some great guys on this website, who have shared lessons that they have learned the 'hard way' (Tom McQueen, etc. etc.). And if I don't listen to those lessons and act on them then maybe I am a fool.
So my APE tensioner arrived today and I am going to have the shop put it in. Issue #1 resolved.
As far as the subframe issue is concerned, I plan on doing three things. First, follow up with Suzuki (Suzuki is not returning the dealer's call on this issue. NOT GOOD.) Second, I will order the aircraft cable that Gary Evans has described in one of his posts (yes, unfortunately I had to go to LABusas to get this info - but the info Gary has put there is very good. DP is probably smiling now.). Third, talk to Suzuki Canada myself since they aren't calling the dealer back. If in doubt escalate, politely.
Like bigpapa and DaveD say, this is a great two person bike, but you can't take a risk with your wife on the back even if that risk is small. You have to do something about it. For now, I will ride alone while I am working the subframe issue with Suzuki and trying to get a safety wire backup in place.
Does this suck? Big time. Why am I driving a tank if the frame can break? Good question. I may as well drive a liter bike.
But you need to take responsibility for the things you can do something about, and that includes using the information that some really good guys have posted on this board. Even if that information isn't happy news.
OB_Bob Lynch
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Hell, If you have problems with the thought, replace it with a manual one. Or just sell it and go buy a goldwing! I don't think suzuki is going to put a 200mph bike out on the street with a possible defective part that could allow you to crash. I have trust in suzuki engineers, and i intend to ride it the way it suzuki made it. FAST!!!
Just a second thought, I had a recall sent to me when they noticed a problem with the cam chain tensioner. If there are dealers out there reporting a high number of failures i think suzuki will act quickly to resolve the issue. As for me, i ordered a manual one this week.
[This message has been edited by OKLAHOMA BOB (edited 01 August 2000).]
Just a second thought, I had a recall sent to me when they noticed a problem with the cam chain tensioner. If there are dealers out there reporting a high number of failures i think suzuki will act quickly to resolve the issue. As for me, i ordered a manual one this week.
[This message has been edited by OKLAHOMA BOB (edited 01 August 2000).]
OB_Hayawoody
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MY BIKE RUNS GOOD,MY .02, I THINK THERES A LOT OF OVERREACTION TO THE PROBLEMS OR POTENTIAL PROBLEMS MENTIONED,DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF BUSA ARE OUT THERE?
IN REGARD TO THE TENSIONER ISSUE,I HAVE A QUESTION BUT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A FAILURE, ARE YOU A HARD DOWN SHIFTER?,LETS SAY, HARD ENOUGH THAT YOU OCCASIONALLY LOCK UP THE REAR WHEEL WHEN YOU DO,I HEARD THIS COULD BE A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR FAILURE, WHAT DO YOU SAY?
IN REGARD TO THE TENSIONER ISSUE,I HAVE A QUESTION BUT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HAD A FAILURE, ARE YOU A HARD DOWN SHIFTER?,LETS SAY, HARD ENOUGH THAT YOU OCCASIONALLY LOCK UP THE REAR WHEEL WHEN YOU DO,I HEARD THIS COULD BE A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR FAILURE, WHAT DO YOU SAY?
My Bud who has been a Mechanic for over 25 years told me I was Crazy to go out & buy a Manual Tensioner -- how quite is the Busa supposed to be -- my F4 & ZX6 were louder....
I still have not got a GOOD Number on the CAM Cahins Failing on the 2000 BUSA Models....
"Who are you & whats your Phone Numbers?"
Email me at "Alarcon@sirinet.net"
HORSE
I still have not got a GOOD Number on the CAM Cahins Failing on the 2000 BUSA Models....
"Who are you & whats your Phone Numbers?"
Email me at "Alarcon@sirinet.net"
HORSE
OB_Johnnycheese
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As I stated before Suzuki does not know there is a problem till it shows up at a dealer.
If you want to install a manual one go for it but don't blame Suzuki.
Just remember that everyone said the ZX12r was restricted guess what they were wrong.
same goes here the smoke will clear and the truth will come out I had a no sounds but my tensioner while checking my valves collased in my hand.Now I have another new one and the recall one is on the way back to Japan.
For all those replaceing with manual one Suzuki does not even consider your a problem.
Just my .02
PS I do run this girl HARD at the strip and on the street.
If you want to install a manual one go for it but don't blame Suzuki.
Just remember that everyone said the ZX12r was restricted guess what they were wrong.
same goes here the smoke will clear and the truth will come out I had a no sounds but my tensioner while checking my valves collased in my hand.Now I have another new one and the recall one is on the way back to Japan.
For all those replaceing with manual one Suzuki does not even consider your a problem.
Just my .02
PS I do run this girl HARD at the strip and on the street.
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