Tornado has the counterbalancer removed.

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I just read in 'CycleWorld' that the tornado had the counterbalancer removed & a stage 1 cam with tri-oval yosh exhaust. it reported 180 rwhp!!!! & 100 pounds lighter!! can ya beat that.

Anyone remove their counter balancer? Is it hard and if I were to be so bold do I need anything to put back in its place ? I would like to try it, i figure if I can get it out i could put it back in if the vibrations were to extremely bad ;)

Does anyone know it they plan to make a service manual for the Hayabusa ?? where can we order it from, if we can at all.
 
I ordered a service manual, or should say attempted to. BACKORDER!! Same thing with the gel seat. Guess we have to be patient.
 
yea its the race version 180 rwhp yosh claims. Its in the latest issue of Cycle World - August 99

I gotta go get my manual on back order.
 
A counterbalancer is an effective way of removing vibrations from an engine to make it seem smoother to the average person.

Question - How many average people ride the Busa?

Answer - No one on this board.

You can remove the counter balancer without any modifications. You will notice more vibration at idle and low revs but there is a solution..... use more revs.

I have tossed the counter balancer but only because I could. It really isn't necessary.
 
Did you have to split the cases to get the balancer out ??? e-mail me at jumper@airmail.net I would like to get some specifics on how you removed it.

I plan on removing it just as soon as I can figure out to properly get to it without trashn my bike :)

Thanks
 
Hayabusa, there are more reasons for that counterbalancer than that.

I mean, sure, it's to smooth out the engine, but it's not like it's something that you just feel at idle. You feel it everywhere, and more revs = more vibration! It's just that it's at idle when the frequency is low enough to really bother you.

I own a bike with no counterbalancer. It's not a 'Busa, but if the effects of removing the counterbalancer on your 'Busa are anything like this bike, it will make it virtually unrideable for more than 1/2 hour to an hour at a shot, and it will provide a miserable ride for most of that time.

I don't know if you are telling the truth or not, Hayabusa, but your comments sound very suspicios to me. Anyone who has ever ridden an engine that is not balanced, whether it was done by removing the counterbalancer or not, knows it right off, and never just comes out and tries to tell people that there is no reason for an engine to be balanced. That is silly. think about it this way: AT LEAST the addition of a counterbalancer costs Suzuki money to manufacture and put in the engine. Thus, if the engine was the same (or even similar) to the way it is when it's balanced, they wouldn't bother with it.

Let's compare two engines, identical to one another except for the fact that one has a counterbalancer and one does not. The one without a counterbalancer will be more likely to vibrate something loose (like an important adjustment somewhere) and is more likely to break down over time because of the additional stress on the engine from extreme vibrations, especially when you are talking about 1300 cc's. It's also more likely to fatigue a rider, make his hands and feet go numb (which is what a rider uses to control his machine) and generally provide an additinal distraction. Lastly, parts are more likely to wear prematurely without a countering force providing balance to the engine.

Not to mention that doing something like this would totally void your warranty. In a big way. Why would Suzuki do that if it wasn't a big deal to remove a counterbalancer?

Let's talk about the (perceived) benefits of removing the counterbalancer: Less reciprocating mass. While this would tend to make people believe that this would increase engine power output, it most definitely does not. I mean, it would reduce the amount of internal friction of an engine, effectively providing a negligable difference in power which would be so small as to almost prove unmeasurable. However, the engine would FEEL like it had more power because it would spool up faster in neutral. In other words, there would be less inertia for the engine to fight against when you twisted the throttle in neutral. This would make the engine seem more willing to rev, but would not be the result of a horsepower increase. Thus, twisting the throttle with the clutch engaged would not result in faster times... Just more vibration (which might add to the drama, making you feel faster...)

Based on my experience in having bikes with and without balanced engines, I would strongly recommend keeping any street bike balanced, and yes, this is exactly what you would be undoing if you remove that counterbalancer.



[This message has been edited by Cyber Josie (edited 05 July 1999).]
 
You said that you could use more revs to disperse the vibrations... This is a farce! More revs = more vibrations, although you might feel the frequency of the vibrations so closely together at high revs that it seems to vibrate less. Believe me that while you may think that you are solving the problem, this only makes it worse... More wear and tear, more numbness in the extremeties, and more things vibrating off of your bike...

[This message has been edited by Cyber Josie (edited 05 July 1999).]
 
speed, CyberJosie has corrected me on a number of things. I have assumed you are quite capable of pulling a motorcycle engine apart and back together again with nothing left over. If this is not the case then DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING. No modifications have to be made as far as replacing the counterbalancer with a static filler tube or any such thing.

However, as CyberJosie has pointed out the engine is unbalanced. I race the Hayabusa and pulled the engine apart soon after purchasing it. Fist thing to go was the counterbalancer. In addition to this the crank was dynamically balanced.

I assumed that if you were to remove the counterbalancer, you were blueprinting the engine as I have. This eliminates the need for the counterbalancer. The engine still has more vibrations that when it was using the counterbalancer but you can't notice this in a race situation, and yes CyberJosie, that is because the frequency of the vibrations is greater.

I did point out on my initial post that it wasn't necessary for street riding didn't I?
 
I own a 97 ZX-11 in which I have removed the balancer. Removing to balancer does two things:
1) It DOES increase Horsepower...How so?...IT REMOVES WEIGHT.
2) It cuts down on the air in the oil. The balancer whips the oil as it rotates causing the oil to bubble. BUBBLES IN THE OIL ARE BAD.

And I stay on my bike for extended periods of time..(600+ miles) and the removal of the counterbalancer does not make it unbearable.
Take care...
Slurpee
 
Okay thanks, I was think'n of doing a cam so if I can get some help I might just yank it out for the fun of it. Hayaybusa- How much do you think the counter balancer weights ?
 
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