Jeff your right Held , without question has the best gloves on the market today! Anything else is second best or worse! Don't throw your hard earned money away buying gloves all the time!These babies will last years, witha little care once in awhile!I used go through gloves like mad,usually start to fall apart because of sweat,heat,and poor stitching,and poor materials, my Held gloves are part deerskin, I've had them about three years maybe longer and they're still like new, i clean them with a mild soap once in while let dry! Paid about $100-$125 for them!