Where did my front brakes go???? Smdh

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Brandonhanson

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Ok so out pounding pavment last night down the 87 alot of corners and blind spots and so on and had to grab my front brake because a big ass truck parked in middle or the road hahaha. The only problem is when i grabbed the breaks there was nothing there untill i pulled the break lever like four or five times then all the suddon they worked. Not including what was left in my drawers thats the issue im having any one experience such a thing my guess maybe is its time for a master cylinder rebuild maybe pads and all are good fuild is good im just a little lost on this on the bike dont even have 20k on it yet but is in an 06 so.... Maybe a seal or something idk if you all have an idea toss it my way or even a good mechanic in the phoenix area please and thank you
 
Sounds like air in the system...or...it could be a rotor slightly out of true.

Once you pumped up the brakes, did they stay pumped or did you have to pump them every time you used them?

More importantly, was this the first ride you've had in a while-obviously this is the first time it has happened. Usually brake issues don't happen all of a sudden unless there is a rapid failure of one of the components.
 
c10 said:
14 years old , probably large lacks of service = failing master cylinder , and gummy front calipers

This is what you're calipers probably look like inside . the ZRX , and Busa use same calipers except the Busa uses lighter pistons .

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Those pistons, you could have machined out of Titanium. Just sayin
 
@Brandonhanson yer not looking at much cost wise to re-build all of it.If you want a walk thru let us know. Good chance to beef up your brakes with some better lines and pads. You can go all in and change out the master for an' R1 or brembo. No biggie at all really,if yer half way decent with a wrench. There are 1 or 2 speciality tools to speed things along,but aren't really necessary. The minimum with the age of the bike would be a master re-build and some new lines,either stock or aftermarket. just ask before you buy anything my friend. Like don't cheap out on a Chinese master kit...get OEM. Some of the members have favs as far as lines and pads go. Hit us if you want to learn how to do it. If yer gonna hire a wrench to do it,get an estimate and bounce that off us to if ya want.
At your age with all the years you have ahead of you,I'd start buying some good tools...learn some stuff...do a few side jobs to pay for more tools.If yer not mechanically inclined thats cool, find a good shop.
If I were you,I would not ride it till repairs have been done.
Rubb.
 
rubbersidedown said:
@Brandonhanson yer not looking at much cost wise to re-build all of it.If you want a walk thru let us know. Good chance to beef up your brakes with some better lines and pads. You can go all in and change out the master for an' R1 or brembo. No biggie at all really,if yer half way decent with a wrench. There are 1 or 2 speciality tools to speed things along,but aren't really necessary. The minimum with the age of the bike would be a master re-build and some new lines,either stock or aftermarket. just ask before you buy anything my friend. Like don't cheap out on a Chinese master kit...get OEM. Some of the members have favs as far as lines and pads go. Hit us if you want to learn how to do it. If yer gonna hire a wrench to do it,get an estimate and bounce that off us to if ya want.
At your age with all the years you have ahead of you,I'd start buying some good tools...learn some stuff...do a few side jobs to pay for more tools.If yer not mechanically inclined thats cool, find a good shop.
If I were you,I would not ride it till repairs have been done.
Rubb.
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Greatly appericiated bro and as far as tools go umm my wife would kill someone of she finds out im buying more lol not really but yeah i litterly have more in my boxes then i do in all my vehicles combined lol so that im set with except specialty obvious id have to get that.as for upgrading i really want to but i have no idea on costs id have to have a parts listwhen comes to doing anything factory i personally have the resivore looks the stockies are um yeah breaks either way are crazy important to me im a firm believer brakes get most attention to upgrades before major power is deffinitly something i want to do real soon as for r1 to brembo i have no idea the difference all i know is brembo has huge $$$$ tags atleast thats how it was for my car. With that being said ill spend if its the right move expecially safty wise. Really with the whole sitution im open to openions as i really dont know whats better also if doing one or the other it helps buying front and rear by getting a little cut in price like package deal or whatever i always enjoy a deal. I did finish the night off with no issues ima gonna go out here in bout 15 min to run it easy and see if it will do it again got a friend following me in my tahoe just incase with the trailer so ill let you know by morning what it does. Its like a kid to me so whatevver it needs it will get

Thanks again
Brandon
 
Bumblebee said:
Sounds like air in the system...or...it could be a rotor slightly out of true.

Once you pumped up the brakes, did they stay pumped or did you have to pump them every time you used them?

More importantly, was this the first ride you've had in a while-obviously this is the first time it has happened. Usually brake issues don't happen all of a sudden unless there is a rapid failure of one of the components.
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Have had it a few months iv put almost 5k on it for miliage myself its never happened before ill have it out tonight to see itlf it will do it again
 
c10 said:
14 years old , probably large lacks of service = failing master cylinder , and gummy front calipers

This is what you're calipers probably look like inside . the ZRX , and Busa use same calipers except the Busa uses lighter pistons .

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Ima see what it does tonight amd go from there and yes the brakes have alot of break dust definitely not the cleanest the guy i got it from was an older man. Iv been wanting to change out some things so depending on whats up with all of it ill probably do some sort of upgrading. I mean really 14 years on factory brakes i think they served there time with only 20k or not before i take them fully apart and clean like crazy id rather just replace at this point and use the old ones as paper weights just not sure on aftermarket of factories and which way to look pros and cons and all im by far from a track boy but saftey is a priority and lets face it these are space ships already nothing wrong with upping those breaks
 
@Brandonhanson
Galfer brake lines...complete kit...about 90 bucks
EBC HH brake pads...40 bucks
OEM master re-build kit...30 bucks
caliper re build kit...70 bucks
brake fluid...10 bucks

You'll be golden after that. Those prices are off the top of my head,prolly cheaper for everything.
They will not be Brembo's...but they will be equal to Rubb's brakes. Very heavy turbo charged Hayabusa that stops just fine. Its all I've ever done. 20 years,on 5 Busa's. Still alive. :thumbsup:

You add that up,240 bucks...plus an' afternoon walk thru with Rubb...that's
PRICELESS. :laugh:

Rubb.
 
rubbersidedown said:
@Brandonhanson
Galfer brake lines...complete kit...about 90 bucks
EBC HH brake pads...40 bucks
OEM master re-build kit...30 bucks
caliper re build kit...70 bucks
brake fluid...10 bucks
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Yep! TallTom slapped on the stainless lines and HH pads before I bought the bike. I added Wave rotors and changed the pads+fluid after 10k miles. Probably ought to rebuild the masters soon, but no issues...yet :hide:
 
Awesome guys thanks so much and yes they did it again tonight but this time seemed to take longer to pump them up that was abput 30 min into riding. After that no issue tight and worked great so who knows either way ima start ordering parts tomorrow afternoon if i can get away from all the chaos for a bit. As of now im bout to pass out was a long day and its 3am hahaha thanks again
 
Brandonhanson said:
Awesome guys thanks so much and yes they did it again tonight but this time seemed to take longer to pump them up that was abput 30 min into riding. After that no issue tight and worked great so who knows either way ima start ordering parts tomorrow afternoon if i can get away from all the chaos for a bit. As of now im bout to pass out was a long day and its 3am hahaha thanks again
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I wouldn’t ride until you do the service! Braking on demand is kinda important when riding motorcycles. Lol
 
BlueBacon said:
Yep! TallTom slapped on the stainless lines and HH pads before I bought the bike. I added Wave rotors and changed the pads+fluid after 10k miles. Probably ought to rebuild the masters soon, but no issues...yet :hide:
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I wouldn't rebuild just to do it. With your PM steps the masters will work until they don't. I'm on my original masters.

Man you went thru HH pads in 10K. You must be doing some hella stopped.
 
I used the OEM rebuild kit on my '04 at 12k miles after it sucked air after sitting over the winter. No problems at all since. It's got EBC pads and stainless lines and stops perfectly for my needs.
 
If you rebuild the master make sure the secondary port under the tab is clear. The tab will bend out of the way. Personally I did the rebuild and it still wasn’t right so I went to the rcs19 master and can do 2 finger stops at ease now. Also rebuilt my calipers which made a big difference. Good luck whatever you decide to do. There are plenty of pictures of rebuild calipers and such on here for reference.
 
Bumblebee said:
Sounds like air in the system...or...it could be a rotor slightly out of true.

Once you pumped up the brakes, did they stay pumped or did you have to pump them every time you used them?

More importantly, was this the first ride you've had in a while-obviously this is the first time it has happened. Usually brake issues don't happen all of a sudden unless there is a rapid failure of one of the components.
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not to thread jack but it might be helpful in this thread. I have noticed I have to do this after my brake bleed. When I pull the lever in to stop it’s soft, but if I double pump the lever, it’s firm on the second pull. Does that mean I have air in my lines?
 
TallTom said:
I wouldn't rebuild just to do it. With your PM steps the masters will work until they don't. I'm on my original masters.

Man you went thru HH pads in 10K. You must be doing some hella stopped.
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LOL, I just didn't want old pads with fresh new rotors. Only the rear actually needed replacing because there were small grooves on the inside of the old rotor.
The cracking rubber boot on the clutch m.c. started squeaking last week :/ Only reason a rebuild started being considered.
 
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