2000 Unregulated Busa

[raydog]

No big hurry for opinions...but....I just decided to research what's needed for Bonneville this year....to run my Busa. I weigh 235 lbs, plus equipment, my bike is as described below, and I was thinking 18/40 gears?
I live in Reno so the drive (bike on trailer) isn't bad and I'm a high school Dean so I'm off for that whole month as well!
The final kicker is, I just ran it by my wife and her response was, "OK". That was the biggest obstacle.
So, what do you experts think I should expect...190 mph? No NOS, turbos or big bores, just a well tuned, well prepped bike with a big guy riding! My bike is quite lite for a Busa (496 lbs.) and I will have a 0-6" swingarm on before then (for wheelbase choices).
Thanks for your thoughts...Raydog

 

[Revvv]

In an 8 mile stretch with the gears you will be running mid 190's are possible.

 

[raydog]

In an 8 mile stretch with the gears you will be running mid 190's are possible.

Don't say that! That makes me want to ask the question...short of engine work, NOS or turbo, is 200.0001 mph achievable? Raydog

 

[Revvv]

In an 8 mile stretch with the gears you will be running mid 190's are possible.

Don't say that! That makes me want to ask the question...short of engine work, NOS or turbo, is 200.0001 mph achievable?     Raydog

If you weigh in at about 150lbs it is.

You have to remember that Bonneville is not concrete. It is sand and salt. You will get tons of wheel spin. That's the reason weights are added to the swingarms of most land speed bikes.

 

[bazz]

From what you have listed your busa at its a more or less a stocker, i would say your looking somewhere between 183mph and 186mph only 190mph + if you have a galeforce wind behind you.

you need engine work to get to 200mph + or be a very small person something like 10 stone.

also dont forget if this is your first top speed run it will most likely be your slowest speed, you need to practice how to tuck in and lie down on the tank.

i doubt you will pull 200mph on 18/40 more like 18/39

and one thing you will also need is big balls to carry the run out !

 

[BlueHaya]

WEEEEEEEEEE. Sounds like it will be fun.

 

[Mr Bogus]

If you run a buck and half your first year you will be doing well... I would not get to excited about getting out the big guns the first year unless you can get a crap load of time on the salt.. (rain etc can really ruin an outing)

Getting through tech is going to be your first years success..

no paneled leathers either.. (include perforated or any stretch panels unless that rule changed.. 1 piece only)

Weight is your friend... and "time on the salt" is a bigger one... bike riders out there have brass nads if you ask me....

 

[Mr Bogus]

http://www.scta-bni.org/ I do not see the rulebook for download.... find one.. We got turned back our first year for some really BS safety stuff but hey it is their game.....


Ok I am retarded...they will send you the rule book with membership, guess that is motivation to join early

 

[bazz]

I based my speeds from over here in the UK as we dont have anything like an eight mile run, our runs are just over a mile ( something like the texas mile ? ) on an airfield solid concrete with lots of grip.

listed below are bikes from the last run at Elvington, you will need to see for yourself which is stock and which is not  

Best Flyers

No. Name Machine Speed
200 Frank Gillebaard Turbo Hayabusa 241.0
201 Jack Frost Turbo Hayabusa 237.3
226 Phil Wood Turbo hayabusa 222.4
229 Harold Wolfenden Turbo Hayabusa 220.2
203 Mark Brown Turbo Hayabusa 213.7
213 Phil Lovatt Turbo Hayabusa 213.6
230 Richard Warlow ZX12R 208.3
210 Sam Sykes Turbo GSXR1000 208.1
221 David Storie NOS hayabusa 203.4
222 Dave Graham Kawasaki 1400 200.7 - not new type ZX12r bore / stroked
202 Tony Foster Turbo Hayabusa 199.6
206 Barry Miller Hayabusa 197.3
238 Dan Hall Hayabusa 1400 195.7
207 Grant Kefferty Hayabusa 195.2
235 Steve Crow ZX12R 192.3
218 Andy Williams ZX12R 190.6
217 Mark Fall ZX12R 190.0
208 Stuart Brodie Hayabusa 189.2
211 Eric Buckley R1 189.2
239 John Corbett Honda 1000 187.4
234 Jonathon Hall ZZR 1400 184.8
204 Greg Haywood Hayabusa 183.7
269 Andy Phillips Hayabusa 183.2
224 Paul Gordon Hayabusa 182.1
232 Gary Mills Hayabusa 181.1
233 Michael Weatherhill Hayabusa 180.0
228 Kevin Yates R1 177.1
237 Ken Dunn ZX12R 176.3
209 Alan Tinnion R6 174.7
227 Jeff Ashcroft R1 173.8
216 Chris Peet GSXR 750 171.4
220 Sean Mills hayabusa 170.5
219 David Woodcock Big CC Hayabusa 170.4
225 Darren Sanders Hayabusa 165.8
212 Paul Reed ZX6 163.7
231 Bob Cornforth Weslake 850 139.6
214 Stuart Owen Lambretta White 106.1
223 Mark O'Donnell Trike Z1100 101.8
215 Stuart Owen Lambretta Blue 83.2
236 Martin Hyland Lambretta 186 79.3

 

[bigoltool]

Fill your swingarm with lead shot, safety wire everything and go for it. I predict 170's first time on the salt.

 

[Professor]

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I based my speeds from over here in the UK as we dont have anything like an eight mile run, our runs are just over a mile ( something like the texas mile ? ) on an airfield solid concrete with lots of grip.

listed below are bikes from the last run at Elvington, you will need to see for yourself which is stock and which is not  

Best Flyers

No. Name Machine Speed
214 Stuart Owen Lambretta White 106.1

Isn't that a scooter?

 

[bazz]

Yes it is a a pretty old one at that late 1960s  

you will find most pictures of the runners HERE

 

[Commuta_Busa]

based on the looks of your bike I would be really happy leaving bonne with a 180 slip in my hands....

 

[raydog]

OK, this is cool! Telling me I'm only good for 170 is such a challenge (to prove that to be wrong). Big nads? I don't know, I'm just thinking tuck, power up, just at point before detectable wheelspin all the way up, gentle but fast shifts, be OK with the drift, let it run, focus on destination and bring it down naturally. I gotta do this! Thanks for the discussion you guys. There has to be some relationship with me on a CR 500 topped out on gravel in top gear and the "looseness" of high speed salt(I'm just referring to the jillions of high speed miles in my past on various hipo bikes) Why would a tester in 1999 go 193 on a bone stock Busa...all else being equal, is paving just faster than salt? I'm going to think this thing to death! Raydog

 

[Professor]

 Why would a tester in 1999 go 193 on a bone stock Busa...all else being equal, is paving just faster than salt? I'm going to think this thing to death!      Raydog

Ummmm simple math.... he likely weighed 100 pounds less than you and me. He was also not new to land speed racing.

Go have fun and dont worry about the top speed. Regardless of your achieved speed, you will set a personal best and have a slip to prove it. Not a GPS high speed capture, not a "well my speedometer said"￾, but a true slip from a sanctioned event! Too cool!

 

[Commuta_Busa]

 Why would a tester in 1999 go 193 on a bone stock Busa...all else being equal, is paving just faster than salt? I'm going to think this thing to death!      Raydog

Ummmm   simple math.... he likely weighed 100 pounds less than you and me. He was also not new to land speed racing.  

Go have fun and dont worry about the top speed. Regardless of your achieved speed, you will set a personal best and have a slip to prove it.  Not a GPS high speed capture, not a "well my speedometer said"￾, but a true slip from a sanctioned event!  Too cool!

that's what really makes it fun. If you can improve your speed each run then you know you're ridding skill for LSR keeps getting better.

oh yea, salt vs pavement makes a huge difference. All things being equal, You'll hit the wall sooner on salt because of the lower friction coef. where as on pavement it'll being strictly the drag limit that yo'll hit.

 

[Mr Bogus]

our slippage at 200mph bounced around (throttle settings) and went from 5% up to 20%.. as we jacked weight into the car, that slippage dropped and mph went up (guessing downforce vs drag)

I never rode a bike down the salt but I can tell you a car "wanders" around like zipping down a dirt road at 100+.. it is pretty un-nerving when you just sort of pick a spot on the horizon and do a basic "aim" job and go along for the ride..

The bikes I saw looked to wander maybe 10-20 feet side to side..(hard to tell but you can see the fishtailing)

Maybe you can find a spot for a camera on the bike?

 

[Commuta_Busa]

knecum had a camera on one of his runs. You can here the points when his rear starts to spin and you can see how the bike wobbles. He even had to get out of it and back in it at one point. I don't have a copy of the vid though. I think it was on utbue or something.

 

[dadofthree]

Watched superbikes last night with a show on bonneville. They have two courses. The real deal runs the 8 mile course the rest get a three mile run. It's rough. Jason only managed a 127 run on a 750 gixxer bone stock with exhaust. Have fun, and be careful.

They stated the record for a stock Busa was 203 last night. Stock at Maxton means appears stock. With pistons and cams you can make 200 at the rear wheel. But traction is important at the flats.............

 

[Kento-Moto]

Doyle, You watch superbikes last night too?

If you try it plz keep us up to date and BE CAREFUL! I know nuthin about bonni, but from what I have read and heard ... the salt is surprisingly slippery and you just kinda gingerly guide the bike and expect a LOT of side to movement ... Not for me! If I am doin 180 + I want some SOLID surface under me, Jason Britton is a excellant all around rider and only did like 130 mph or something?

anyway my 2 cents.