It's sad, really. You should really stop while you're not too far behind the learning curve.
2006 Hayabusa pics!!
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Oh hell....why not?
Let me pick apart that argument you got going there. You ready?
What I basically said, was that the Busa under crosswinds, does not track as flawlessly as the literbikes -- If I’m beside or passing by a 53' Semi, or any large truck for that matter, on the Busa I find consistently that the bike gets blown around or tossed from the wind more than if I am on one of my literbikes. I don't mean to say that the bike gets tossed and blown hard, but whatever nudges the rider feels on it under these conditions, is definitely more pronounced than the lightweights.[/QUOTE]
Uhh....you really spew alot of nonsense.
What is aerodynamics? The ability to cut through wind, no? You say that you feel more blown and tossed about by the wind, right? Well, what do you expect, "retard"? More surface area on the sides ring a bell? How do think the Busa cuts through the wind like it does? Sleek shape...no holes. Still don't understand me? let me try and give you another example:
Speed records. How are the fastest speed vehicles shaped? Like a bullet, no? Enclosed? Why? Aerodynamics. Close up all the gaps or holes that it has so that air can flow with less resistance over the body of the vehicle.
Even if you take the sit-up or "non-enclosed" class vehicles....I could be wrong, but what bike is dominating that class? Oh well....wouldja lookit that: Hayabusa's! I don't recall seeing Gixxers there....
Take a look at your beloved "stable" litre bike. Do you see a lot of flowing lines? No. It's lines are sharp....very angular. Last time I checked, the land speed vehicles weren't very angular. More smooth and flowing lines. Still have a hard time digesting this? Sigh...another example:
Airplane wings. How are they shaped? Well my goodness! They're made up of SMOOTH and FLOWING lines. And what do they achieve? Lift! Least amount of drag possible.
How many exposed areas (read holes, if you can't understand me) are on the Gixxer? Compared to the Busa? I think alot more are on the Gixx....
How well does a plane fly when it's wings are full of holes? Not too well, last I checked.
I have also found that I have more wind hitting me on the upper body on the Busa than the 1000's and this causes the bike to track less stable. The heavier bike in this case, is more unstable in these types of conditions than the lightweights (it is more twitchy). The same holds true for crosswinds on open road.[/QUOTE]
You really ARE ignorant aren't you? Why is there more wind hitting you? Apparently, you talk faster than you think. Does the word "STREAM-LINED" mean anything at all to you? Of course there's going to be more air hitting you when you're on the Busa; it's body is designed to cut through the air with as LITTLE resistance as possible. Why do you feel less wind buffeting when you're on the litre? Because the angle of the gixxer nose is higher in degress than the angle of the busa nose.
Think of it as the difference between a square traveling through water, with the water being representative of the same characteristics as air. How much resistance does the square have traveling through the water? Kind of alot, no? Now take a triangle....and have that cut through the water. Will it meet as much resistance as the square? Nope.
Why are you feeling more wind buffeting with the Busa as opposed to the Gixxer? See above comparison between the square and the triangle, with the square being representative of the Gixx, and the triangle being representative of the Busa.
Are you sure you couldn't have been more clear?
Let me pick apart that argument you got going there. You ready?
What I basically said, was that the Busa under crosswinds, does not track as flawlessly as the literbikes -- If I’m beside or passing by a 53' Semi, or any large truck for that matter, on the Busa I find consistently that the bike gets blown around or tossed from the wind more than if I am on one of my literbikes. I don't mean to say that the bike gets tossed and blown hard, but whatever nudges the rider feels on it under these conditions, is definitely more pronounced than the lightweights.[/QUOTE]
Uhh....you really spew alot of nonsense.
What is aerodynamics? The ability to cut through wind, no? You say that you feel more blown and tossed about by the wind, right? Well, what do you expect, "retard"? More surface area on the sides ring a bell? How do think the Busa cuts through the wind like it does? Sleek shape...no holes. Still don't understand me? let me try and give you another example:
Speed records. How are the fastest speed vehicles shaped? Like a bullet, no? Enclosed? Why? Aerodynamics. Close up all the gaps or holes that it has so that air can flow with less resistance over the body of the vehicle.
Even if you take the sit-up or "non-enclosed" class vehicles....I could be wrong, but what bike is dominating that class? Oh well....wouldja lookit that: Hayabusa's! I don't recall seeing Gixxers there....
Take a look at your beloved "stable" litre bike. Do you see a lot of flowing lines? No. It's lines are sharp....very angular. Last time I checked, the land speed vehicles weren't very angular. More smooth and flowing lines. Still have a hard time digesting this? Sigh...another example:
Airplane wings. How are they shaped? Well my goodness! They're made up of SMOOTH and FLOWING lines. And what do they achieve? Lift! Least amount of drag possible.
How many exposed areas (read holes, if you can't understand me) are on the Gixxer? Compared to the Busa? I think alot more are on the Gixx....
How well does a plane fly when it's wings are full of holes? Not too well, last I checked.
I have also found that I have more wind hitting me on the upper body on the Busa than the 1000's and this causes the bike to track less stable. The heavier bike in this case, is more unstable in these types of conditions than the lightweights (it is more twitchy). The same holds true for crosswinds on open road.[/QUOTE]
You really ARE ignorant aren't you? Why is there more wind hitting you? Apparently, you talk faster than you think. Does the word "STREAM-LINED" mean anything at all to you? Of course there's going to be more air hitting you when you're on the Busa; it's body is designed to cut through the air with as LITTLE resistance as possible. Why do you feel less wind buffeting when you're on the litre? Because the angle of the gixxer nose is higher in degress than the angle of the busa nose.
Think of it as the difference between a square traveling through water, with the water being representative of the same characteristics as air. How much resistance does the square have traveling through the water? Kind of alot, no? Now take a triangle....and have that cut through the water. Will it meet as much resistance as the square? Nope.
Why are you feeling more wind buffeting with the Busa as opposed to the Gixxer? See above comparison between the square and the triangle, with the square being representative of the Gixx, and the triangle being representative of the Busa.
Are you sure you couldn't have been more clear?
I'd love to get deeper into this....but it appears I'm limited by time.
Tune in next week.....
Tune in next week.....
stevew
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Uhh....you really spew alot of nonsense.
What is aerodynamics? The ability to cut through wind, no? You say that you feel more blown and tossed about by the wind, right? Well, what do you expect, "retard"? More surface area on the sides ring a bell? How do think the Busa cuts through the wind like it does? Sleek shape...no holes. Still don't understand me? let me try and give you another example:
Speed records. How are the fastest speed vehicles shaped? Like a bullet, no? Enclosed? Why? Aerodynamics. Close up all the gaps or holes that it has so that air can flow with less resistance over the body of the vehicle.
Even if you take the sit-up or "non-enclosed" class vehicles....I could be wrong, but what bike is dominating that class? Oh well....wouldja lookit that: Hayabusa's! I don't recall seeing Gixxers there....
Take a look at your beloved "stable" litre bike. Do you see a lot of flowing lines? No. It's lines are sharp....very angular. Last time I checked, the land speed vehicles weren't very angular. More smooth and flowing lines. Still have a hard time digesting this? Sigh...another example:
Airplane wings. How are they shaped? Well my goodness! They're made up of SMOOTH and FLOWING lines. And what do they achieve? Lift! Least amount of drag possible.
How many exposed areas (read holes, if you can't understand me) are on the Gixxer? Compared to the Busa? I think alot more are on the Gixx....
How well does a plane fly when it's wings are full of holes? Not too well, last I checked.
I have also found that I have more wind hitting me on the upper body on the Busa than the 1000's and this causes the bike to track less stable. The heavier bike in this case, is more unstable in these types of conditions than the lightweights (it is more twitchy). The same holds true for crosswinds on open road.[/QUOTE]
You really ARE ignorant aren't you? Why is there more wind hitting you? Apparently, you talk faster than you think. Does the word "STREAM-LINED" mean anything at all to you? Of course there's going to be more air hitting you when you're on the Busa; it's body is designed to cut through the air with as LITTLE resistance as possible. Why do you feel less wind buffeting when you're on the litre? Because the angle of the gixxer nose is higher in degress than the angle of the busa nose.
Think of it as the difference between a square traveling through water, with the water being representative of the same characteristics as air. How much resistance does the square have traveling through the water? Kind of alot, no? Now take a triangle....and have that cut through the water. Will it meet as much resistance as the square? Nope.
Why are you feeling more wind buffeting with the Busa as opposed to the Gixxer? See above comparison between the square and the triangle, with the square being representative of the Gixx, and the triangle being representative of the Busa.
Are you sure you couldn't have been more clear?[/QUOTE]
Nice try you ignorant f-ck...but I'm not going to get into this with you; I've already stated my case and I could care less about your opinion or anyone else's for that matter...so tell it to someone who gives a sh-t.
Like some others on this board who seem to have this narrow minded view; you believe there is no other bike than your beloved Busa...probably because you have little or no serious riding time on anything but that...so if the bike is so great and wonderful, they should leave as it is forever and not bother updating it. Get a life...
Mr Brown
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Stevew, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, on account of bike stability and handling being quite subjective, but since you think that your Busa exhibits a phenomenon which exists only in front wheel drive vehicles, I am forced to the conclusion that you know absolutely nothing about the handling dynamics of a bike. Well either that or you have the only front wheel drive Busa in the world..........
BTW, what color is the sky in your world?
BTW, what color is the sky in your world?
me and my beloved busa forever and ever
he has a front wheel drive bike....Wait a sec.... did you just say that you felt TORQUE STEER on a good time bike?What I basically said, was that the Busa under crosswinds, does not track as flawlessly as the literbikes -- If I’m beside or passing by a 53' Semi, or any large truck for that matter, on the Busa I find consistently that the bike gets blown around or tossed from the wind more than if I am on one of my literbikes. I don't mean to say that the bike gets tossed and blown hard, but whatever nudges the rider feels on it under these conditions, is definitely more pronounced than the lightweights. I have also found that I have more wind hitting me on the upper body on the Busa than the 1000's and this causes the bike to track less stable. The heavier bike in this case, is more unstable in these types of conditions than the lightweights (it is more twitchy). The same holds true for crosswinds on open road.
It's very simple, if I deliberately rock the bars at speeds on the Busa, she moves around, whereas on the lightweights, they don't really budge. Things like tar-snakes and lane changes over the cut in between the lanes are also more pronounced on the Busa and causes it to shimmy more. Headshake, while very minimal on any of these bikes is easily more noticeable on the heavier machine under less than perfect conditions.
Now, I weigh about 205 @ 6'2" so I am perhaps slightly bigger and heavier than the average rider. The reasoning behind the stability differences IMO, is due mostly to the research /design, balance and far newer technology present on the lightweight machines (the Busa is dated and needs to be revamped IMO). Riding the literbiike is the closest thing to riding on a rail at any speed up to max. These machines DO track noticeably better and are less affected by wind and road conditions than the Busa under the same conditions...and this is not only my opinion but that of most who have ever ridden one at length. Harsh bumps are transmitted to the rider more so on the lightweights but have noticeably less effect on the overall stability and shake.
I define stability as a combination of tracking under several different road conditions as well as panic braking etc... If you ask me what would rather be on when doing serious knee drag cornering, the lightweights are my preference. If you have ever come close to dragging your knee around a corner on a Busa, you know that the bike has a tendency to wobble and in some cases, quite violently -- enough to scare the living crap outta you. These new gen lightweights just don't suffer from the same things, they are made to push to greater extremes on cornering. On the Track (not the strip), no way can the Busa keep up with the literbike or a 600 for that matter, just because you can’t push them to corner to the same extremes. Just so you understand, I won't sell my Busa (except for another newer model) as I love the bike...it has the sheer TQ that puts a grin from ear to ear under most circumstances and she is like riding a couch...very, very easy and comfortable, but the tradeoff is the handling and stability. If you understood that I was pissing over the Busa, it was not my intention…I just called it the way I experienced the ride.
I ride about 25-30K miles a season and spend equal time on the 10R and the Busa...on short and long rides. My wife rides the R1 (too f-cking hot and uncomfortable for me), but it too is unreal on power, handling and stability.
Shifting hard at 10K under full throttle on the Busa, I get some rather interesting TQ steer and again on the 1000's, much less so...
'nuf said!
Do you know what torque steer is?
Unless there's a fantastic concept of torque steer on bikes that's different than the one that does and can only apply to front wheel driven (and to a lesser extent, all wheel driven) cars, I'm done listening to you.
Are you kidding me??? Check out this idiots grammar!!! And HE's giving crap on spelling??? WOW!! Thats classicAnother one who can't spell...how can anyone take you seriously when you don't know how to write? You must be related to other guy who couldnt spell.I ride ALOT I haven't found a bike I like better ! I don't have ANY problems with being blown around and I pass about 10-20 semis a day. If you like another bike better GO TO THIER BOARD and bragg . I've got friends that love other bikes and i'm sure you like some other bike better but facts are facts the busa is the fastest ! Or have you ever seen the Guiness book of records! If there was a faster bike you dam'n well believe they would have changed it by now !
I'm very happy for you that you ride "ALOT" and don't have any problems being blown around, neither do I...and who is "THIER BOARD" that I should go and "BRAGG" at?
I don't and have never disputed the Busa's top speed ability, and that has nothing to do with what I said here.
You just can't handle someone actually prefers the ride of the literbikes over the Busa...grow up and get a life.
Oh, and if you don't like what I have to say, don't read it...simple concept.
So which one is it. You say you dont own a GSXR1000, but turn around and say you do own all those bikes.No...I don't know everything, as you claim I say I do, nor do I claim to, but I do know that you're a moron...and that you can't spell properly either...Oh, and by the way, nowhere here did I claim I own a Gixxer 1k, so you obviously can't read either, "DUDE" -- Plus, I don't "claim" to own these bikes, I actually do own them...all of them...now, is that a concept you can grasp, or are you just too stupid to understand that too?Dude you are funny. And your the one that still think he knows everything. Plus you claim to own a 05 R1, ZX10r, GSXR1000. and other high price vehicles. Next thing is that you are going to claim that the literbikes are more comfortable than the busa on long distance rides. Oh yea does your dad know you are on the computer trolling around.Lighter Hayabusa=Gixxer 1K, and more stable too. Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Just gotta ride one and see. Gee...go figure. Talk to me when you have. Obviously you aren't clued in to this one, because you have never ridden one. I'll just go buy every mag out there to quote the stats to you on Aerodynamics...
Weight has far less to do with stability than design, a lot of R&D and ultimately, serious testing. My HD Road King is the biggest unstable P.O.S. on the road...and it weighs about 10 freakin' thousand pounds...the guy that said that liter bikes need more rider input than a Hayabusa is incorrect with that statement because he only drives the P.O.S. version of these bikes (and he even admitted that he can't ride).
Oh and by the way...the word is "Stability" not "stabability"...
'nuf said on that...
Oh yeah...it's "You're" not "your" -- not to mention all the other spelling and grammar errors you made here...so what grade of school did you actually get to, or are you still in it flunking grade 1? Oh wait...let me guess...you once did a wheelie and landed on your f-cking head and now just you're brain dead...
Spell checkers... know what those are?? You should probably invest in one "DUDE". Of everyone I know, you would benefit the most from that...so when you get out of high school and if you've learned how to write, say it to me then...
Ciao "DUDE".
Plus this is the internet and I dont have to use proper grammer. So who name you the grammer police on the net.
Its funny to that you have to revert to name calling and cussing. No one is believing your crap so you get pissed. Real mature one here.
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Dat's. Hey I spelled check this word of yours and it said its misspelled. Plus went thru all of your post and notice the grammer god had alot of errors in his own spelling.
Dude before you want to criticize other people grammer and spelling and call them names, You really need to check your self out first.
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I know what the new gixxer and R1 is. But never heard of the new Yami yet. Sorry dude but its in your own post.Open message to all of our in-house Aerodynamic engineers: I guess you're all experts on Aerodynamics...and you've all determined that the photoshop rendition would be a a real wind drag. Since you all seem to have the uncanny ability to clearly see this without doing any of your own wind tunnel testing...why aren't y'all doing R&D for Suzuki to make a more aerodynamic and faster Busa instead of just talking about it?
This type of negative opinion to change is so typical when new models come out...it's funny to listen to, since most of you will eventually buy the new Busa when it does come out and no matter what, you will love it because it's a Busa. You'd think that the Hayabusa was the greatest invention known to man...and would never need updating...holy crap...the damned bike hasn't changed in 7 years. I would have to guess (and I say "guess" because I'm not an expert like you fellas are) that most new SS or ST bikes today have a very low drag co-efficient -- some even lower than the Busa...so whats all this fuss about lousy aerodynamics about? You think an 05 Gixxer or R1 is less aerodynmic than the Busa? Any of you even driven anything besides a Busa? Gimme a break...
Busa's are truly wonderful sport touring machines and certainly have the fastest top end of the entire lot, but not necessarily the quickest. For those of you who think the Busa is the most Aerodynamic production bike in the world, go drive a liter bike...and see what "AERODYNAMIC" and "STABLE" really means. Busa's don't hold a candle to the new Yami, Gixxer or R1 in this sense...
As stable and aerodynamic as my Busa truly is, my ZX10R and R1 eat it in both ways. Anyone who owns a current liter bike as well as any year Busa will tell you the same thing, but don't take my word for it, go test ride 'em.
stevew
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Sorry...meant R1 (Yami -- R1 as in Yamaha R1)...repeated myself in the post.I know what the new gixxer and R1 is. But never heard of the new Yami yet. Sorry dude but its in your own post.Open message to all of our in-house Aerodynamic engineers: I guess you're all experts on Aerodynamics...and you've all determined that the photoshop rendition would be a a real wind drag. Since you all seem to have the uncanny ability to clearly see this without doing any of your own wind tunnel testing...why aren't y'all doing R&D for Suzuki to make a more aerodynamic and faster Busa instead of just talking about it?
This type of negative opinion to change is so typical when new models come out...it's funny to listen to, since most of you will eventually buy the new Busa when it does come out and no matter what, you will love it because it's a Busa. You'd think that the Hayabusa was the greatest invention known to man...and would never need updating...holy crap...the damned bike hasn't changed in 7 years. I would have to guess (and I say "guess" because I'm not an expert like you fellas are) that most new SS or ST bikes today have a very low drag co-efficient -- some even lower than the Busa...so whats all this fuss about lousy aerodynamics about? You think an 05 Gixxer or R1 is less aerodynmic than the Busa? Any of you even driven anything besides a Busa? Gimme a break...
Busa's are truly wonderful sport touring machines and certainly have the fastest top end of the entire lot, but not necessarily the quickest. For those of you who think the Busa is the most Aerodynamic production bike in the world, go drive a liter bike...and see what "AERODYNAMIC" and "STABLE" really means. Busa's don't hold a candle to the new Yami, Gixxer or R1 in this sense...
As stable and aerodynamic as my Busa truly is, my ZX10R and R1 eat it in both ways. Anyone who owns a current liter bike as well as any year Busa will tell you the same thing, but don't take my word for it, go test ride 'em.
oh that's just precious!
Can't handle pressure, huh Steve?
You're a hypocrite....and an assclown. AND!....you have a front-wheel driven bike too? Lawd he'p us! I guess Suzuki found their new Operations Manager....
But thanks, though...you offered no rebuttal other than "It's my world and I don't give a shid about what you say!" drivel. While this is not the most effective way of having productive debates, it sure helps the person live in their own liiitttlllle world. Nice.
You really are a goof...and a joke...and a really horrible one at that. I almost had a good chuckle fit out of this. Too bad though...the best I could manage was a chortle.
It's gonna be ok, steve. These men in white coats? They're here to help you, son. It's alright....
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Dang! I KNEW I should have gotten a piece of that action. Looks like YOU are the one that's gonna have to pay up. According to the article, the change will come about for 2007, NOT 2006.
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