? about Pazzo levers

Driver error I bet,or a bad install.Got a set now that I've had a couple of yrs or close to it,one of the earlier sets,I have braided lines and HH pads,the brakes are NOW far superior to what the bike came with,buts it's up to the driver to learn the characteristics of the bike after the adding of aftermarket parts.I'd like to hear more about this,but I cant see how the levers are at fault.
 
The problem was in the lever that was sent to me. If you look at your oem lever on the bottom where it mounts to the master cylinder it has a little machined pice that contacts the micro switch for the brake light. The set I recived was not machined correctly causing the plunger on the master cylinder to be depresed about a 1/4 inch inturn causing the front brakes to drag a little. I didn't notice this and when I took it around the block for a test ride (of course I was going around the block like I had a thound times befor so I was wearing no gear)the front bakes heated up to the point that they locked up and I endowed at about 50 mph. My lawyer has found that this has happened to several other riders and like I explained to Bogus, part of their setelment with pazzo is that they can't disclose the setelment with pazzo. My lawyer ordered and exact set like mine from pazzo, and the set he recived was machined corectly. scince my accident on Aug. 18, 2007 the bike still sits there with the front brakes locked up pending litigation.

Not that it makes differance I think but the levers I have are the black shorties with gold adjusters.

-Rey
 
Thanks for the info Rey. I will take a good look at mine for peace of mind.

Hope you a doing good.
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The problem was in the lever that was sent to me. If you look at your oem lever on the bottom where it mounts to the master cylinder it has a little machined pice that contacts the micro switch for the brake light. The set I recived was not machined correctly causing the plunger on the master cylinder to be depresed about a 1/4 inch inturn causing the front brakes to drag a little. I didn't notice this and when I took it around the block for a test ride (of course I was going around the block like I had a thound times befor so I was wearing no gear)the front bakes heated up to the point that they locked up and I endowed at about 50 mph. My lawyer has found that this has happened to several other riders and like I explained to Bogus, part of their setelment with pazzo is that they can't disclose the setelment with pazzo. My lawyer ordered and exact set like mine from pazzo, and the set he recived was machined corectly. scince my accident on Aug. 18, 2007 the bike still sits there with the front brakes locked up pending litigation.

Not that it makes differance I think but the levers I have are the black shorties with gold adjusters.

-Rey
Sorry to hear, Rey. Hopefully you will recover soon and get things and settled quickly. Like I said before, haven't had any trouble but it never hurts to check again.
 
Well heck not sure how I would reply to the issue exactly..

There would be 2 sides to this story I can see pretty easily..

As a "over the counter consumer" item, I suppose one should be confident that the item should install and work correctly..

on the other side (and from a professional point of view) When working on the brake system of any machine, reasonable care should be taken to be absolutely certain that any part replaced is identical in function when making cosmetic changes.

As most racers can tell you, when making changes on high performance parts, very often, they will not work correctly straight out of the box on every machine. They need changed in one way or the other before use. This is a case of a "high performance" modification, the stockers worked just fine, these were supposed to perform better.

He spotted a difference in the part albiet a bit too late. Binding or pinched parts in a brake system are in fact bad news. Had he fully understood the ramifications of a master cylinder that did not fully return to the rest position, he would have never left the driveway.

As a manufacturer, do I expect the end user to fully understand the operations of a brake system?
As the end user, do I expect the factory to make me fully aware of the operations of a brake system?

Lawyers could go around for hours on this.. but IMO, if you are going to work on critical systems of any vehicle, either pay someone that does it for a living or be pretty darn sure you know exactly what you are doing..

I have fixed countless issues on vehicles that customers worked on first.. some of these were obscene in nature...

Scottsdale AZ 1980 or so, Dave Dailey drives a Chrysler 300 into the wall when the cars brakes failed to function.. post crash--customer removed the front calipers and "vice gripped" the brake lines shut, they then got the car to the shop.. Never bothered to tell anyone of the small change in system design..

Another time a customer had completely removed the master cylinder nuts and it was just hanging there, I went to back the car out of my bay (customer apparently drove this thing in on the E brake) and proceeded to put the car through the fence going backwards.. at least I can laugh at this one, the look on my face must have been priceless..

So who is at fault? beats me, gives me a headache but I am not afraid of the Pazzo levers..
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I would suggest if you are unfamiliar with how things work, get help or start reading ..
 
The problem was in the lever that was sent to me. If you look at your oem lever on the bottom where it mounts to the master cylinder it has a little machined pice that contacts the micro switch for the brake light. The set I recived was not machined correctly causing the plunger on the master cylinder to be depresed about a 1/4 inch inturn causing the front brakes to drag a little. I didn't notice this and when I took it around the block for a test ride (of course I was going around the block like I had a thound times befor so I was wearing no gear)the front bakes heated up to the point that they locked up and I endowed at about 50 mph. My lawyer has found that this has happened to several other riders and like I explained to Bogus, part of their setelment with pazzo is that they can't disclose the setelment with pazzo. My lawyer ordered and exact set like mine from pazzo, and the set he recived was machined corectly. scince my accident on Aug. 18, 2007 the bike still sits there with the front brakes locked up pending litigation.

Not that it makes differance I think but the levers I have are the black shorties with gold adjusters.

-Rey
OK this part is disturbing. They have a known problem with quality and instead of making it public they are hiding it? One would think that the US Gov would have a problem with this being a major safety hazard and make them issue a recall. I would rather KNOW there could be a problem and be able to inspect it for said problem instead of installing it and finding out there is a problem when I wake up from a wrecked bike.

I was all for buying these levers this winter but now I'm not real sure. To me it is not an issue with how good the levers work. This is the 1st issue I have heard about them. But then again, seems like they hide their problems from the public. To me it is a issue with how sleezy it is to have a problem and risk peoples lives to save face and not make it public.
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It is entirely possible that the 1 lever was not machined correctly or was the wrong part number..

The issue falls back to 2 things I think..

Parts supplier: did they take adequate steps to ensure product quality? are they responsible for proper installation and inspection of the product?

Installer: part of installing aftermarket parts requires that you have a good knowledge of how things work and what happens if they dont.. In this case, the plunger on the m/c was not able to fully release. This is a critical issue as the "relief" ports on the brake system would not be opened up.. (residual pressure on brake system) In of itself, this is not a problem until you put any heat in the system. The fluid expands as it heats and with those ports blocked, the brakes apply.

Would the average person know to make sure the plunger releases fully?
Should the average person be making changes to the brake system?
Should there have been some type of warning prior to a full lockup of the brakes? (Dragging or noise?)
What kind of instructions/disclaimers came with the levers in the first place (I bet a lot of attention is on this part)

Hey mistakes happen the best technicians and parts have defects.. that is what warranty is all about.. but on brakes? touchy subject.. I have my own opinion on all this but will reserve it to myself
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Anyway, when in doubt hire a pro... you can likely make more doing your regular job in the same amount of time it takes and expert to do changes or repairs on your stuff for you.

case in point? I have 20 + years as a professional wrench... I just paid Gixerhp to do my front suspension.. Could I have done it? probably, but he had the tools, experience and the correct parts on hand.. I am confident that it is done correctly and that I am safe.. (so long as my fork install is not borked
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I do feel bad for guys that get parts that are screwed up and pay such a price.. I am glad katman is here to tell the story.. Hope Pazzo learned something too...

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Never had a problem with my Pazzo levers. they were lubed with a synthetic grease and installed correctly. I am going to buy a set for my ST-1300
 
Well, here's a problem I had with the front. When I installed the front (shortie) I put a small amount of lube on the main pin that goes through the center of the lever. It kept sticking when the brake was applied. Fortunately, I found this out in the garage and not on the highway. I took it apart, cleaned and lubed again with different stuff. No matter what lube I used on that pin the lever would stick when you applied the brakes. I finally cleaned the lube off absolutely and completely clean and dry, put the lever back together and it has never stuck again! NEVER!!!! I have probably 3000 miles and it works perfectly with NO LUBE ON THE PIN THAT GOES THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE LEVER.

Well, that's my story, don't know if that's the problem out in the field but this happened to me EXACTLY as described above.
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what really is perfect?

Nothing is perfect. Everything somewhere has a flaw and nothing can be held higher than anything else. ESPECIALLY thinking something is better because it carries such a higher price tag.

This thread was brought to my attention by another member and i decided to revive it!
 
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