And I think the fact that they are getting performance like that out of the 600 class is my point. Hell the 1000 classes are almost as fast(GSXR 1000 in the high 9's in CW last month) as our 1300/1400 bikes.I mean there hasn't been an improvement in the Busa in how many years now?In my opinion the ZX14 is only marginally quicker than the Busa.I think you see improvement in those classes as they are demanded by the competion of all manufactures being involved.Sometimes I think Suzuki and Kawi have agreements on who's going to be faster for the next couple of years.I think that was my point,I just took the long way to get there.