Berkeley Co. Deputies Release Dash Cam Video In Fatal Motorcycle Pursuit
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Cops in most cases, shouldn't deal with what ifs. You're a prison guard right? Your 'constituents' are already convicted. Before they get to you, they have a shot at Due Process, something that cop took from the rider.
ali123
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ure great at critiquing others.. and no I'm not a prison guard... I'm a corrections officer... there is a difference..
And what might that be?
ali123
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prison guards do things that inspire movies like Shawshank redemption.
How many residents did Orange Crush "correct" last week?
The term 'corrections' as applied to prisons or prison guards is utterly ridiculous. "Department of Corrections", "Correctional Officer", what's corrective about those terms? Prisons warehouse people, period.
Not true. Prisons in New York State give "indigent" prisoners free college, bring counselors in to run programs like AA and drug programs, they try to encourage prisoners to better themselves by taking courses and learning how to live properly in society and deal with their problems. Prisoners take all these programs, not for the benefits that the programs might provide, other than making them look good at the Parole Board because they spent their time constructively. Then the parole board hits them with two more years anyway because of the political climate, and because they think all inmates can never be rehabilitated and also because they don't give a rats a**. Eventually, what happens is inmates realize that taking programs will NOT help them get released, so they refuse programs and go out in the yard and work with weights and get really big. That's when prison officials realize that they better weld the weights to the bars so the COs in the yard don't get hit over the head. So prisons don't actually warehouse people, they sometimes have a way of making people bigger and meaner and more nastier then they were when they went in. And that is why they call it the Department of Corrections.
It is very frustrating for those who are really trying to do good, staff and inmates alike.
"And that is why they call it the Department of Corrections"?
Are you kidding? Correcting what? You should read what you just typed.
Are you kidding? Correcting what? You should read what you just typed.
Exactly the point, I am being sarcastic. They do more than warehouse!
TallTom
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The saddest part to the story is the ones that do their time, get out and have no intentions of repeating any offenses have a hard time ever getting a job. It's hard for them to ever shake the past once in.
So they face little choice but to go back to breaking the law. They have to survive.
So they face little choice but to go back to breaking the law. They have to survive.
They are making money on the prisoners, that's why they don't "correct" them.
Dscahill
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Long story short, the rider was being stopped for a lawful reason (speeding). Was given a lawful order to stop as identified by the emergency lights on the patrol vehicle (failed to stop). The rider then ran (why? you don't run for no reason). The rider turned his motorcycle into a high-speed missile without regard for other human lives. granted the traffic was light, but there is no guarantee of that. What about the buildings they were passing? Were they all unoccupied and capable of withstanding an impact at 50 mph from a 600 lbs plus bike and rider? That is a lot of kinetic energy. But for the actions of the rider, the pursuit would not have started or ended with a fatality. The blame lays solely on the rider. And for the record, in the correctional system, I see most inmates taking classes and attending other programs as another venue besides the inside of their housing unit. It is something to pass the time and break up the monotony of the days. There are some that take the classes for the right reasons, but not all.
In the first place, it isn't the duty or responsibility of a police officer to apply (any) penalty he thinks is appropriate or carry out (any) sentence, certainly not while denying due process unless his inaction would directly permit the harm or death of someone.
Speeding is an infraction of the law and is not arrestable in and of itself.
Failure to yield is a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions and is arrestable but obviously (to most) also does not warrant a death sentence as a penalty.
Speed, combined with reckless riding can certainly be considered a felony but it too does not warrant a death sentence as a penalty. Prevention of what might happen if the violator doesn't stop is pure conjecture. Cops can't be arresting people based on what they think might happen. Another 'what if'. And your application of the 'but for' rule is only partly correct. But for the actions of the rider, the pursuit wouldn't have happened. That's correct. In this case however, but for the actions of the police officer, the rider would not have crashed, ending his life. He may have stopped in the next block, he may have ridden home, he may have crashed in the next corner, he may have hit that car ahead of him. See? What if?
Speeding is an infraction of the law and is not arrestable in and of itself.
Failure to yield is a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions and is arrestable but obviously (to most) also does not warrant a death sentence as a penalty.
Speed, combined with reckless riding can certainly be considered a felony but it too does not warrant a death sentence as a penalty. Prevention of what might happen if the violator doesn't stop is pure conjecture. Cops can't be arresting people based on what they think might happen. Another 'what if'. And your application of the 'but for' rule is only partly correct. But for the actions of the rider, the pursuit wouldn't have happened. That's correct. In this case however, but for the actions of the police officer, the rider would not have crashed, ending his life. He may have stopped in the next block, he may have ridden home, he may have crashed in the next corner, he may have hit that car ahead of him. See? What if?
Dscahill
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You are correct, speeding is not arrestable. Eluding police officers is however. Now the "But for" rule, on the timeline, failing to stop happened long before the actions of the Officer. What if the rider have stopped, would he have ridden home safely? Probably. But because he made the decision to run, the consequences for the series of events was due to his initial action.
Scooby315
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Wtf??!! Are you serious?
In re: "...because he made the decision to run, the consequences for the series of events was due to his initial action."
This is ridiculous. The rider was (not) responsible for the cop crashing him out. Crashing on own, getting hit by another car, causing property damage or causing someone else to run off the road or crash would be his responsibility. What the cop did was deliberate and at the very best was ill timed. The rider was not careening towards a parade crowd, nor was he riding into a school zone on a school day. He did not cause that cop to deliberately crash into him.
This is ridiculous. The rider was (not) responsible for the cop crashing him out. Crashing on own, getting hit by another car, causing property damage or causing someone else to run off the road or crash would be his responsibility. What the cop did was deliberate and at the very best was ill timed. The rider was not careening towards a parade crowd, nor was he riding into a school zone on a school day. He did not cause that cop to deliberately crash into him.
Scooby315
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Man...did you not read all the other comments before writing that out? Yes its true he broke the law and didn't stop but being running the man down wasn't the only option. And call me a fool but if the cop stopped pursuing him I think he would have stopped running red lights and riding at a 100+. Thats why some states have no chase laws because the cop can kill other people/drivers as well with his 4000 lb car rocketing at 120 mph.
"in the correctional system, I see most inmates taking classes and attending other programs as another venue besides the inside of their housing unit". You "see" from whos perspective...a correction officer or an inmate. Sounds like a biased assumption.
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