best of both world tires

[semi]

personally, i love the Pirelli Diablo Strada's for an all-around tire but the most important thing with tires is finding one that fits you and your riding style that you personally trust and are comfortable with...the very last thing i would skimp on would be my tires, if they don't work, everything else is worthless...just my $.02

 

[Tufbusa]

personally, i love the Pirelli Diablo Strada's for an all-around tire but the most important thing with tires is finding one that fits you and your riding style that you personally trust and are comfortable with...the very last thing i would skimp on would be my tires, if they don't work, everything else is worthless...just my $.02

This is the best post in this thread!

I don't skimp on tires either. I am perfectly willing to spend some extra cash to keep GOOD STICKY rubber under me. That little contact patch that sometimes is no larger than a quarter is the only thing between me and disaster.

Trust me on this one! A single crash due to loss of traction can be more spendy than all the extra cash you'll spend on sticky tires during the entire life of the bike!

Spending cash on upgrading brakes to make them more effective then installing a cheap touring tire makes absolutely no sense to me. Simply increases the chances of a crash. Just my two pennies worth.

 

[outofmyway]

There are many choices when it comes to tires. You must first decide what you want from your tire. You cannot have great grip and long mileage in the same tire, it does not exist. You choose one or the other or something in between.

Actually, that is exactly the premise multi compound tires are created around. How long a tire lasts and how well it grips has a lot to do with the rider/riding style/road surface/riding condition etc. The ratings on a tire is just an avaerage with a huge variance. For example, the same tire will wearout a lot sooner for a 250lb rider than for a 150lb rider. There will be a noticeable tire life difference between cold vs. hot climates as well.

The only scientific way to see which tire is better (wear, grip) is to have the same rider, the same bike, ride on the same road surface (straight and curve) in the same ambient temperature at the same speed for the same number of miles. This has to be done with at least 3 sets of the same model tires (avg to remove manufacturing variances) from each manufacturer. You can see how improbable this kind of testing is, so ultimately it all comes down to personal preference.

 

[Tufbusa]

Actually, that is exactly the premise multi compound tires are created around. How long a tire lasts and how well it grips has a lot to do with the rider/riding style/road surface/riding condition etc. The ratings on a tire is just an avaerage with a huge variance. For example, the same tire will wearout a lot sooner for a 250lb rider than for a 150lb rider. There will be a noticeable tire life difference between cold vs. hot climates as well.

The only scientific way to see which tire is better (wear, grip) is to have the same rider, the same bike, ride on the same road surface (straight and curve) in the same ambient temperature at the same speed for the same number of miles. This has to be done with at least 3 sets of the same model tires (avg to remove manufacturing variances) from each manufacturer. You can see how improbable this kind of testing is, so ultimately it all comes down to personal preference.

Actually, it all comes down to grip! A BTO16 has more grip than a Pilot Road and that has nothing to do with personal perference, simply factual. If they were equal in grip, everyone would be on Pilot Roads because they last twice as long.

You may run touring tires all your life and never fall down but the facts are, a sticky tire will let you get away with mistakes that a touring tire won't.

 

[SKnight]

Actually, it all comes down to grip! A BTO16 has more grip than a Pilot Road and that has nothing to do with personal perference, simply factual. If they were equal in grip, everyone would be on Pilot Roads because they last twice as long.

You may run touring tires all your life and never fall down but the facts are, a sticky tire will let you get away with mistakes that a touring tire won't.

The trick is knowing your limits and avoiding those mistakes. No tire will offset the mistake of riding over ones head.

 

[BA BUSA]

what tire is good for both areas of riding highway and the corners twisties be cause i have cords showing need to replace

You CAN NOT live in both worlds at the same time...


Either choose sticky tires...

Or long life tires...

 

[Tufbusa]

The trick is knowing your limits and avoiding those mistakes. No tire will offset the mistake of riding over ones head.

You are absolutely correct! No tire is idiot proof!

EVERYBODY makes mistakes my friend. And you yourself don't know your limits! The only way to improve your skills is to push your limits. If you don't scare yourself once in a while you don't learn much.

You don't have to ride over your head to make mistakes. I can assure you, you are far less likely to crash on a high performance sticky tire than you are on a touring tire.

 

[rashad]

No such tire



Michelin Pilot Road 2

or

Michelin Pilot Power 2CT

eh.. not really. Riding buddy has the Road. It says 2ct, 2ct, 2ct ALL around the tire edge.

I thought the same thing as you, ordered what I thought was the only "2ct" tire..and got a power 2ct that lasted 2500 miles. ooops.

If his tire isnt a road 2ct it shouldnt say ROAD and 2CT all over it.

 

[TruWrecks]

what tire is good for both areas of riding highway and the corners twisties be cause i have cords showing need to replace

The real question is what percentage of each type of riding, and how aggressive in the corners are you.

The BT016 is a great tire for street use, but it won't get you 8k out of any one tire. The BT021 is a very good tire for balance between mileage and grip. I have them on my FJR right now. I can drag hard parts on that 700+ lb bike. The PR2's are also very good tires for distance and good grip. The HPX also looks to be a very good tire for the Busa in all riding conditions. It is not designed to be a long distance tire, but some have reported around 5-6k. The Dunlop RoadSmart is another dual compound tire that should be able to eek out 7-8k and still provide good corner grip.

 

[SKnight]

You are absolutely correct! No tire is idiot proof!

EVERYBODY makes mistakes my friend. And you yourself don't know your limits! The only way to improve your skills is to push your limits. If you don't scare yourself once in a while you don't learn much.

You don't have to ride over your head to make mistakes. I can assure you, you are far less likely to crash on a high performance sticky tire than you are on a touring tire.

My single crash was on Power 2CTs at 35 in a neighborhood. Leading people to believe that sticky tires is the key to fewer crashes is feeding false hope to those that might learn a hard lesson.

I improve my skills somehow everytime I ride. I've done track days, ride in the mountains every chance I get, and wax the tails of supersports most every trip out, when I'm feeling it. All on touring tires. Staying within ones limits will go much further than feeding yourself the line that it's OK to push harder, I've got gooey tires. You'd be better off suggesting a supersport because they can turn better.

Oh, I outrode my headlight on a road I didn't know at night. Turned it in way too hard and the tires didn't save me.

 

[BA BUSA]

eh.. not really. Riding buddy has the Road. It says 2ct, 2ct, 2ct ALL around the tire edge.

I thought the same thing as you, ordered what I thought was the only "2ct" tire..and got a power 2ct that lasted 2500 miles. ooops.

If his tire isnt a road 2ct it shouldnt say ROAD and 2CT all over it.

OK dude...let me educate you...are you ready ???

There is no such tire as what was referred to as the "Pilot Road 2ct"


It is the "Pilot Road 2" PERIOD!!!!!....it is made with "2ct technology" it also says
"2ct" on the shoulder all around the tire, but go to their website and read it for
yourself....."Pilot Road 2" and the "Pilot Power 2CT"...two different tires, for two different riding purposes.


Michelin North America Motorcycle Tires

 

[BA BUSA]

I'm hearing Michelin Power 2s and the Avon Storms AV56 and AV/55. Bridgestone BT016 I think.

Road 2's

 

[cobravenom39]

OK dude...let me educate you...are you ready ???

There is no such tire as what was referred to as the "Pilot Road 2ct"


It is the "Pilot Road 2" PERIOD!!!!!....it is made with "2ct technology" it also says
"2ct" on the shoulder all around the tire, but go to their website and read it for
yourself....."Pilot Road 2" and the "Pilot Power 2CT"...two different tires, for two different riding purposes.


Michelin North America Motorcycle Tires

Seriously Pilot Rd 2

Why are we still talking about this.

Mods, please close this thread.

 

[TruWrecks]

Mods, please close this thread.

Why?

 

[BA BUSA]

Why?

No reason that it should be closed.

 

[neoBusa]

Continental... anyone?