Robert 0046
Registered
In the i want more power department ive read in some places that other cams may help the bike reach better numbers do you agree? Does someone has already that magic combination? Let us know thank you
Better cams combination for gen3?
- Thread starter Robert 0046
- Start date
See if gen 2 cams fit in it.....they are easy to get.
Tony Nitrous
Registered
Yeah, it’s something I’m watching with interest. Suzuki aren’t shy about the fact they have changed the cams and it’ll be interesting to see how much top end they have sacrificed in doing so. There’s certainly a window there for swaps (if possible), modding or aftermarket. I’m guessing some tuners will be looking into it.
If you replace the cams in the gen 3, I'd imagine the power curve will be closer to a gen 2 then..that is as long as the velocity stacks are changed as well.
Tony Nitrous
Registered
Maybe. Some tuners such as Moore are already showing the 3 being a match or a fraction better than the 2 with pipe, stacks and flash, even running the tamer cams. A modded 3 seems to hold its top end longer In back to back comparisons so some hairy cams should let it punch top end revs harder.
Yep good point,
On all the dynos I saw (including Chris') it was identified the Gen 3 came off power earlier in the rev range, a set of cams would correct that, and I believe that is the only thing that can....
If Yosh or someone saw any profit in making hot cams for it, they would be the way to go..unless gen 2 cams will fit (and I don't see why they wouldn't) then there would already be a bunch of options...
Trouble with cams is the profile is either for mid range or top end...it's hard to get a hybrid that gives maximum power across the rev range.
Robert 0046
Registered
Ill love to see an intake cam upgrade in my opinion this is one of the missing parts in the quest for power
Tony Nitrous
Registered
I was thinking of this clip.
Start at 26:10.
2 v 3 on the same dyno.
It would certainly be interesting to see what cams gain.
Tony Nitrous
Registered
The 3 seems to be healthier in the mid range, but if you‘re a performed junkie, hard rider or a racer you are going to be up in the rev’s and a few ponys in the lower revs won’t be missed but finding them in the top end will be appreciated. It’s not like trading some mid range for top end is going to make the bike gutless, it’d still be a very strong motor.
GSXRme
Registered
Have you had Moore Mafia tune your bike yet? You may want to sit back at looking at cams and engine work for a bit if not.
Suggest getting Chris to tune her first and then reply. I have a remote tune completed last week.
I got ya.....the goal of the gen 3 was to outperform the gen 2 even if it is slightly....as we know a 5 or even 8 hp difference means very little out in the real world...if the gen 3 had an actual 20 hp difference from the factory, that would have done the job of out performing a gen 2...
I mean in reality the gen 3 is pretty much the same weight, and uses a stronger engine but it is still a gen 2 engine only enhanced for strength and mid range-there is just only so much that can be done to it in stock bolt on form.
But, we all know this anyway so I'm not saying anything new and breath-taking here...
Robert 0046
Registered
No i havent because i would like my tune in a dyno, a remote tune leaves me with hp and tq questions.
He'd have to change out the throttle bodies which would lead to a whole other kettle of fish with the fly by wire system...
I don’t think it’s losing any power with the smaller throttle bodies. Remember Gen-2 only open 94% in the map and also more turbulence and restrictions with the secondaries in the intake track. Total height is shorter on the Gen-3 and they also neck down to the same head port size until aftermarket porting is done.
Also, cams will just move the power, you need porting or pistons or larger crank to really get serious gains or increase the power all the way through. Stock head with a cam swap wouldn’t be worth the trouble, if you’re already doing that there is so much more to be gained…
airborneuph
Registered
Be interesting to see what effect re-degreeing the intake cam to open a few degrees earlier (106 - 107) would have on the power band ..
Tony Nitrous
Registered
Maybe not. I’ve seen some monster Gen-1 and Gen-2 big horsepower builds done using the original throttle body’s. They will feed a big bore set up fine. The 3’s may be a little smaller but I doubt they are anywhere near being maxed out for a while.
(just opinion not fact)
When Chris Moore built his 1475 gen 3, he bored out the throttle bodies because he mentions the gen 3 TBs are smaller than a gen 2....his bored out gen 3 TBs are the same size as the gen 2s...and he changed out the cams.
Valve timming and stacks move the powerband forward or backword.
Big cams with more overlap plus compression make more overall power....
Robert 0046
Registered
Did some other person noticed that CM in the last minutes of the video of the Carbon Smith stacks he mentioned that he may have an inside scoop about Cams? He mentioned that when the Cams come out then the Gen 3 will reach the numbers we all want with any stacks combination so when do you think the date will be and what company do you think will be the one who bring them up?
Similar threads
