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Busa vs. ZX14 (NEW)
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Wells guys as most of you allready know i have owned 2 busas a 99 and a 05..They were great bikes and i loved both of them....My zx14 is the hands down winner over them ....All i have done to my zx14 was add a Muzzy pipe and DID NOT add a P/C...First time to the drag strip i ran a 9.44 @ 148... Second time to the 1/4 mile track i run a little faster 9.37 @148 ..The bike has 9.20s in it once i get a little better at my 60 footers...Now on to the street testing >> I go out ever friday and Sat night and ride with a bunch of different bikes... Most will not race me from a dead stop so we go from rolls ons , I let the other rider pick his best RPM & Gear so i don't have to hear storys why i beat them ... And i allways let then have the hit from a roll on..... Only one has beatin me and that was a zx14 with an air shifter and a Muzzy sided winder with a lot of tunning, the modded Gixxers and zx10 come the closest and the Busas just get beat... The zx14 pulls from the hit and never stops pulling the Busas....Now i'm not talking stock Busas , these guys have all the standard mods that we have all done ..Piped P/C , clutch mod,air box mods ect ect...You guys can can say it just barely beats the Busa all you want if that makes you feel better..... Now the next thing i hear is the new Busa in 08 will kill the zx14 ...God i hope it does !!! Because i will be the first one to go Buy one ......Unlike some guys I don't have a brand stamped on my forehead...Doesn't matter me to if it's a Kawi or suki, honda or yamaha, if it's fast i'll own it.. I have asked this here before and only had one taker but i will ask again > if you want to see how a AVG rider on a zx14 runs meet me at track and i will show you ...It's all for fun and a chance to meet new people, if you beat me you can talk all the smack you want.... I'm in FL and race at Sunshine Speedway and BMP .. So come on out and have some fun....
For me, I couldn't care less...2/10s second faster in the 1/4 mile and 60' times or 5-7% more horsepower will not determine what bike I will buy (stock form mind you). Unless I decide to become a drag strip junkie which most people are not.
Majority of people ride in the streets and the twisty backroads of the real world and it's evident that this is an area where the Busa excells over the ZX-14.
That's all I needed to know to purchase the Busa a few months ago when the ZX-14 was readily available. Because I live in the real world of motorcycling, not some drag strip in a magazine article in the middle of the desert.
Majority of people ride in the streets and the twisty backroads of the real world and it's evident that this is an area where the Busa excells over the ZX-14.
That's all I needed to know to purchase the Busa a few months ago when the ZX-14 was readily available. Because I live in the real world of motorcycling, not some drag strip in a magazine article in the middle of the desert.
well?....1300hemibusa?...alls i can say is congrats on lov'in yer new ride and all your 1/4 mile and roll-on race kills however...imho?...the street-going mighty busa is never to be under-estimated as it still retains some very strong points when pitted against the 14 in the streets and i might add that yourself and i have two very differing ideas of what...
"...Now on to the street testing >> "
truely is...as for me it isn't just about straight line roll-ons....but it is more about handling and power delivery....and the meat of that performance being located solidly in real world road racing ranges as i find i have my most fun in the 30-120mph road racing venues...and here?...the busa delivers big time in both handling stability and smooth linear power delivery...and stock fer stock?...it's been my experience that the 14 seems to exhibit some slight yet very noticable deficiets in this arena and skillz fer skillz?...it is here that the (somehwhat peaky for it's class) 14 seems to struggle just a tad when road-racing at real world speeds against the busa...as while it's twin counter-balanced engine is vibe free?...it's power delivery just isn't as smooth and linear hence...no where's near as forgiving as the busa's is.
But pull out the wallet for modding?...and all bets are off...and either of these great bikes can be made to whoop up on the other...and currently?...far more can be done with the busa tahn what's available for the 14 and my guess is..before that even ever happens?...Suzi will have already answered Kaws call solidly.
BTW...nice times you've posted there....are you faster than Ricky Gadson?
L8R, Bill.
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No i'm no pro like Ricky Gadson ..Rickys zx14 has gone 8.70 and that's his street bike ..The bike he races for Coby adams runs 8.20s .... Brocks own zx14 is faster than mine and has run 9.06 .. If you look on the zx14 website you will see a bunch of zx14 owners that are running low 9s with just a few bolt ons ...The Bike makes good power and can make an avg rider look pretty good at the drag strip ... There are a few 235 pound guys on zx14s that are banging off low nines also ..... So for just a pipe i'm doing ok but other are doing much better ....(shawn @ Sep. 10 2006,12:39)That was my question too - are you really posting faster than the pro's?(JINKSTER @ Sep. 10 2006,03:01)BTW...nice times you've posted there....are you faster than Ricky Gadson?not sure? but....it seems you're beating advertised numbers for just a muzzy pipe.
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Hi Bill as for high speed handling I can't chime in on the Busa Vs zx14 ..My skills would not let me get near the limit of either bike and that would be true for most riders...I can only go by what the Magazines have reported...But i can report that for around town riding the zx14 feels lighter and more nimble than my Busa did ... I allways had the feeling while riding my Busas that it was built for open roads and was at a lost in city driving ... The zx14 feels right at home in town because of it's light handling at lower speeds ..Living in Tampa Bay traffic is a bear with few if any open roads, so the zx14 for me is great and i find i can ride for a much longer time before getting tired..(JINKSTER @ Sep. 10 2006,10:01)well?....1300hemibusa?...alls i can say is congrats on lov'in yer new ride and all your 1/4 mile and roll-on race kills however...imho?...the street-going mighty busa is never to be under-estimated as it still retains some very strong points when pitted against the 14 in the streets and i might add that yourself and i have two very differing ideas of what...
"...Now on to the street testing >> "
truely is...as for me it isn't just about straight line roll-ons....but it is more about handling and power delivery....and the meat of that performance being located solidly in real world road racing ranges as i find i have my most fun in the 30-120mph road racing venues...and here?...the busa delivers big time in both handling stability and smooth linear power delivery...and stock fer stock?...it's been my experience that the 14 seems to exhibit some slight yet very noticable deficiets in this arena and skillz fer skillz?...it is here that the (somehwhat peaky for it's class) 14 seems to struggle just a tad when road-racing at real world speeds against the busa...as while it's twin counter-balanced engine is vibe free?...it's power delivery just isn't as smooth and linear hence...no where's near as forgiving as the busa's is.
But pull out the wallet for modding?...and all bets are off...and either of these great bikes can be made to whoop up on the other...and currently?...far more can be done with the busa tahn what's available for the 14 and my guess is..before that even ever happens?...Suzi will have already answered Kaws call solidly.
BTW...nice times you've posted there....are you faster than Ricky Gadson?not sure? but....it seems you're beating advertised numbers for just a muzzy pipe.
L8R, Bill.
As for the motor being peaky i have not found that to be the case..The roll on racing that i talked about start at lower RPMs in 2 gear and that puts my motor in the so called dead zone ...The Busa guys that i have raced have heard about the so called dead zone and allways tell me ( if we go fron 3500 RPMs my Busa will pull you easy) That has not been the case for me , I have allway pulled them with no problems at that RPM...My Muzzy pipe is a stepped type header that helps low RPM torq and that maybe the answer to why i pull them on the bottom end, plus the bike loses 28 pounds with a header .. I never raced my zx14 with the stock pipes so i can't tell you what it would do stone stock Vs a stone stock Busa....Hell who leaves a bike stock anyway , most all atleast add a pipe and P/C ..
I hear this all the time that a zx14 power at low RPMs is soft but at stock wheel base i have no problem running 1.50 60 foot times.. So if it softer than a Busa it clearly doesn't show at the drag strip or in the ETs and MPH..Look on this website under drag racing and see what the Avg Busa 60 foots and you will see stock wheel base Busas running 1.60s and up...
Bill i take it that you don't drag race at all and that ok it's not everybody cup of tea... But ask any drag racer and they will tell you if you are behind two to three tenths in the 1/4 miles your getting you ass handed to you...Two to 3 tenths is 5 to 6 bikes behind the other guy and that's not pretty when you are the guy in the rear ....
Today the Busa market is flooded with after market go fast parts and have 7 years to do so... The zx14 has only been out a short time and the after market is lagging a bit ... Pipes are out as will as P/Cs , one turbo kit is out and 3 more to come ..Stoker kits, big bore and cams are on there way for APE and Muzzy..
I wish you guys would take the time to read Brock 3 part story on the zx14s , it's on his website and it's a good read ... Brock is a Busa guy as you all know and he loves the zx14 .....
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Bolt ons well how about a bolt on 1397 kit for the busa.
I do not believe the BUSA was built with the quarter mile as the main intent of usage for the bike.
It does seem that the 14's makers were very much gunning for the 1/4 mile market.
Still, the BUSA is a very good drag bike even though that was not the main intent.
The 14 is not that much faster given it's increased bore over the BUSA. I think it would be very easy for either manufactuer to build a 1/4 mile specific (probably not street legal) bike that is faster than either the current BUSA or 14. But what would be the point? Sales is what is all about and manufacturers sell more everyday riding bikes, not drag bikes. And what is the use of an off the shelf dragbike? That takes all the fun out of it. Don't drag racers usually build their own custom machines?
The BUSA is a sport cruiser. It does what it was made to do better than the 14. Derestrict them both and the BUSA has already shown it is still the King of Speed!
I am still not convinced the 14 has usurped the BUSA's throne. The times published are so close, how can one draw any concrete conclusions. Anyone know anything about statistics? Well, our sample size to date is a TAD bit too small to be of any signifigance. What about confounders like rider skillz? And test administrators bias. I am sure, no, I know there are many out there that have been waiting to see the King dethroned and bias abounds.
Sorry for rambling, just my 2 cents worth.
It does seem that the 14's makers were very much gunning for the 1/4 mile market.
Still, the BUSA is a very good drag bike even though that was not the main intent.
The 14 is not that much faster given it's increased bore over the BUSA. I think it would be very easy for either manufactuer to build a 1/4 mile specific (probably not street legal) bike that is faster than either the current BUSA or 14. But what would be the point? Sales is what is all about and manufacturers sell more everyday riding bikes, not drag bikes. And what is the use of an off the shelf dragbike? That takes all the fun out of it. Don't drag racers usually build their own custom machines?
The BUSA is a sport cruiser. It does what it was made to do better than the 14. Derestrict them both and the BUSA has already shown it is still the King of Speed!
I am still not convinced the 14 has usurped the BUSA's throne. The times published are so close, how can one draw any concrete conclusions. Anyone know anything about statistics? Well, our sample size to date is a TAD bit too small to be of any signifigance. What about confounders like rider skillz? And test administrators bias. I am sure, no, I know there are many out there that have been waiting to see the King dethroned and bias abounds.
Sorry for rambling, just my 2 cents worth.
This was the case when the BUSA originally came on the scene. The world had never seen a production bike like that before.[/Quote]
So was the Honda XX Blackbird just chop liver?
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It was a long and sweet ride on the top. I still say big props to Suz for producing a bike that is 7+ years old and still a force to be delt with. I wasn't the blow out the busa put on the blackbird so noone has ever made the initial impression the busas has made. 7+ YEARS man, in today's competitive market. Great work Suz, I'm optimistic about the new beast!
uhem...in regards too...(1300hemibusa @ Sep. 10 2006,12:02)Hi Bill as for high speed handling I can't chime in on the Busa Vs zx14 ..My skills would not let me get near the limit of either bike and that would be true for most riders...I can only go by what the Magazines have reported...But i can report that for around town riding the zx14 feels lighter and more nimble than my Busa did ... I allways had the feeling while riding my Busas that it was built for open roads and was at a lost in city driving ... The zx14 feels right at home in town because of it's light handling at lower speeds ..Living in Tampa Bay traffic is a bear with few if any open roads, so the zx14 for me is great and i find i can ride for a much longer time before getting tired..(JINKSTER @ Sep. 10 2006,10:01)well?....1300hemibusa?...alls i can say is congrats on lov'in yer new ride and all your 1/4 mile and roll-on race kills however...imho?...the street-going mighty busa is never to be under-estimated as it still retains some very strong points when pitted against the 14 in the streets and i might add that yourself and i have two very differing ideas of what...
"...Now on to the street testing >> "
truely is...as for me it isn't just about straight line roll-ons....but it is more about handling and power delivery....and the meat of that performance being located solidly in real world road racing ranges as i find i have my most fun in the 30-120mph road racing venues...and here?...the busa delivers big time in both handling stability and smooth linear power delivery...and stock fer stock?...it's been my experience that the 14 seems to exhibit some slight yet very noticable deficiets in this arena and skillz fer skillz?...it is here that the (somehwhat peaky for it's class) 14 seems to struggle just a tad when road-racing at real world speeds against the busa...as while it's twin counter-balanced engine is vibe free?...it's power delivery just isn't as smooth and linear hence...no where's near as forgiving as the busa's is.
But pull out the wallet for modding?...and all bets are off...and either of these great bikes can be made to whoop up on the other...and currently?...far more can be done with the busa tahn what's available for the 14 and my guess is..before that even ever happens?...Suzi will have already answered Kaws call solidly.
BTW...nice times you've posted there....are you faster than Ricky Gadson?not sure? but....it seems you're beating advertised numbers for just a muzzy pipe.
L8R, Bill.
As for the motor being peaky i have not found that to be the case..The roll on racing that i talked about start at lower RPMs in 2 gear and that puts my motor in the so called dead zone ...The Busa guys that i have raced have heard about the so called dead zone and allways tell me ( if we go fron 3500 RPMs my Busa will pull you easy) That has not been the case for me , I have allway pulled them with no problems at that RPM...My Muzzy pipe is a stepped type header that helps low RPM torq and that maybe the answer to why i pull them on the bottom end, plus the bike loses 28 pounds with a header .. I never raced my zx14 with the stock pipes so i can't tell you what it would do stone stock Vs a stone stock Busa....Hell who leaves a bike stock anyway , most all atleast add a pipe and P/C ..
I hear this all the time that a zx14 power at low RPMs is soft but at stock wheel base i have no problem running 1.50 60 foot times.. So if it softer than a Busa it clearly doesn't show at the drag strip or in the ETs and MPH..Look on this website under drag racing and see what the Avg Busa 60 foots and you will see stock wheel base Busas running 1.60s and up...
Bill i take it that you don't drag race at all and that ok it's not everybody cup of tea... But ask any drag racer and they will tell you if you are behind two to three tenths in the 1/4 miles your getting you ass handed to you...Two to 3 tenths is 5 to 6 bikes behind the other guy and that's not pretty when you are the guy in the rear ....
Today the Busa market is flooded with after market go fast parts and have 7 years to do so... The zx14 has only been out a short time and the after market is lagging a bit ... Pipes are out as will as P/Cs , one turbo kit is out and 3 more to come ..Stoker kits, big bore and cams are on there way for APE and Muzzy..
I wish you guys would take the time to read Brock 3 part story on the zx14s , it's on his website and it's a good read ... Brock is a Busa guy as you all know and he loves the zx14 .....
"Bill i take it that you don't drag race at all and that ok it's not everybody cup of tea... But ask any drag racer and they will tell you"
Recall the final lines of Tom Selleck in the movie "Quigley Down Under"?.....
I see you also own a '05 ZRX...well?....I myself am a old Rex'er.....and this is my buddy Josh at the outlaw drags in deland during bikeweek...which is just playtime/practice runs for him...ZRX1200 with lotsa motor work and Wide Open Cycles fabbed up his swingarm/wheeliebar combo...
circa '01 outlaw drags....i'm the ZRX guy on the right with the muzzy meg and green zero gravity windscreen...staging up...
i also ran the pi$$ out of old blacky....
my '01 FZ1 over the years at the outlaw drags....
and even jousted with this guy from light-too-light one fateful night in daytona...
that's me in the red shirt with the holy ones hand on my shoulder...
so?...I never said i don't know how to drag race...I just said i never had much use for it.
tell ya what...i'm not real good?...but if ya wanna run me and my leave it for dead busa?..on yer killer kwak?..biketoberfest is coming up...let's play...i'm do fer a good spank'in...but i'm fast enough to keep ya honest....real honest.
L8R, Bill.
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Bill sounds like fun...I was at the street drags also but didn't bring my bike ... What Kawi you want me to bring? As you can see my zrx is very close in ET to the zx14...
Bad part about the Deland track is that is to short for a high MPH big ...I saw a Gixxer not make the stop and went out into the woods..A few other have crashed at the end trying to stop... If i were to bring a bike it would be the ZRX seeing it only runs a 139 in the 1/4 Vs 148 for the zx14..
Bill if your up for it lets make a date to meet up at BMP on a test and tune night.. Great track , lots of hook and a lot safer ....Get some friends together come on over and we will have a great time... I race there all the time with some friends on Busas,Gixxers, zx10s and one gal on a fast ass zx14... It's all about having a good time with friends...
P/S we did chat that day at the street drags...
Bill if your up for it lets make a date to meet up at BMP on a test and tune night.. Great track , lots of hook and a lot safer ....Get some friends together come on over and we will have a great time... I race there all the time with some friends on Busas,Gixxers, zx10s and one gal on a fast ass zx14... It's all about having a good time with friends...
P/S we did chat that day at the street drags...
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