Ferodo - Sintergrip Pads?

[Tufbusa]

I'm looking to install Ferodo Brake Pads on my scooter and would like some input from anyone who has or does use them. The Sintergrip in particular. Or has anyone used the race pads for street use? I see a number of the professional stunt guys use the Sintergrip front and the Platinum pads on the rear.

Would be nice to have some input before I buy them?

 

[JINKSTER]

Yeah...I just had Ferodo "SinterGrip road" brake pads installed by Wheelers Performance up at the Busa Bash and I love'em...kinda hard to tell as I had SS Brakelines installed at the same time but I can hear that oh so smooth but powerful grip putting the clamp down on those rotors with that "Turbine Winding Down" sound.

Kens says they're just a sintered HH pad just like the EBC sintered HH pads....they both have great grip for the street and he's not had any bad reports from either...eating up or over-heating rotors...I like'em.

L8R, Bill.

 

[shenoyp]

Never heard of them. how are they compared to the EBC HH

 

[JINKSTER]

Never heard of them. how are they compared to the EBC HH

'Ferodo Limited U.K. is the world's largest friction materials manufacturer. Ferodo's record in motor racing is second to none with more world and national championships than all others combined. All Ferodo Brake pads are designed for maximum braking performance with minimal brake rotor wear. The Supersport front pads include the patent-pending H.I.C. High Initial Coefficient blue coating for fast bed-in, providing optimum performance in the shortest time possible. The new Ferodo SinterGrip brake pads represent the very latest in leading edge technology of sintered metal friction design. These new 6 piston pads provide outstanding performance not only in setting the standard for all-out braking power, but in truly remarkable feel and feedback as well."

"SinterGrip road" compound are simular to EBC HH compound but claim they have stronger bite, higher friction value and better wet weather performance...I've tried'em and I believe'em....feedback and control is extremely linear & predictable as well.

L8R, Bill.

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[Tufbusa]

I'm having a hard time finding anyone with the Sintergrip ST pads in stock? Anyone have an outlet that may have them? I really want them for my 05 GSXR1000!

 

[Bronto]

While looking at all the brands of brake pads. Ferodo Sintergrip ST was one of most impressive. Found PDF info on Ferodo pads Showing Sintergrip ST is a Stainless Steel rotor brake pad. This info isn't shown on all the stores selling them. Busa OEM rotors are cast iron.
Ferodo Platinum Pads according to the charts is an improvement. The table shows Platinum is OKed for cast iron rotors. Decided on getting the Platinum Pads from kneedraggers.
Ferodo pad heat shielding material and Pad friction material are one mass. Spungy braking occures from warping heat shields. Creating a space between it and the pads. Had this happen on Pads on bike before. It rides the rotor constantly and 1/3 wasted brake lever travel before it began to grab.

 

[JINKSTER]

While looking at all the brands of brake pads. Ferodo Sintergrip ST was one of most impressive. Found PDF info on Ferodo pads Showing Sintergrip ST is a Stainless Steel rotor brake pad. This info isn't shown on all the stores selling them. Busa OEM rotors are cast iron.
Ferodo Platinum Pads according to the charts is an improvement. The table shows Platinum is OKed for cast iron rotors. Decided on getting the Platinum Pads from kneedraggers.
Ferodo pad heat shielding material and Pad friction material are one mass. Spungy braking occures from warping heat shields. Creating a space between it and the pads. Had this happen on Pads on bike before. It rides the rotor constantly and 1/3 wasted brake lever travel before it began to grab.

Bronto...the Ferodo SinterGrip road pads I just had installed are the SinterGrip ST...the very same ones Ferodo recomends NOT using with Iron Rotors in their PDF...but they are fine...a bit more heat and rotor wear?...sure...but more friction and braking power always comes at a price and the Ferodo SinterGrip ST's are the same Sintered Double H friction rating as the EBC HH's.

The truth of the matter is there is no free luch on extending rotor life as if you go with a rather non-aggressive organic pad?...The brakes have less bite...so you saty in the brakes longer and...the rotors glaze to a mirror shine...then to get the grab back?...ya wind up taking an abrasive scotchbrite pad to re-texture your glazed rotors and removing material anyways....I'd rather wear'em down with increased braking power than with elbow grease and a scotchbrite pad.

After bedding the Ferodo SinterGrip ST's to my stock OEM front rotors I put 500 hard mountain miles on'em at the Busa Bash...and my rear rotor (which still has the stock oem pads) looks like a mirror it's so glazed...(btw..I'm okay with that action in the rear)...but the front rotors?...are holding up just fine...they appear hazy (like I just took a scotchbrite pad to'em) but as I run a fingernail across them there is no percievable gauling...and between the new SS braided dual front brake-lines and the ferodo sintergrip st pads?...my front brakes have awesome power...with great feedback and linear controlability..he11...I think I could go to one finger braking instead of two! LOL!!!

But no heat discoloration, warpage or gauling...with the stock iron rotors...and imho it's actually a kick@$$ combo.

Here's some talk about it....

"CAN I USE ANY BRAKE PAD MATERIAL ON CAST IRON?
Generally speaking, most organic (semi-metallic) brake pads are good for use on iron rotors. If in doubt, contact the manufacturer for details regarding specific use for this application. Ferodo Platinum, CP911, CP901, 4004F, 3485F, 3410F and I/D450 are all good for this. Although the various sintered metal pads will perform quite well, they generally operate at substantially higher interface temperatures (by as much as 150 degrees [F] at peak). The result is usually shortened life span of the rotor and as such, sintered metal pads are universally not recommended unless specifically denoted otherwise.

Gray Iron rotors: Sintered metal pads ARE NOT RECOMMENDED for use under any conditions.
Based on extensive dyno testing, results show it is acceptable to run Ferodo SinterGrip ST pads on BrakeTech Ductile Iron rotors (dual disc application only; Buell riders should use either Platinum or CP911 organic pads)."

and...

http://www.braketech.com/tech/pads.html

But remember...The Ferodo Sales Reps are bound by "Liability" and have no control over oem rotor material quality or lack thereof so they always hafta err to the safe side...I prefer first hand experience...and Ken Wheeler has a lot of it and he stocks the Ferodo SinterGrip ST's right along side of the EBC HH's and has had no problems from either from hunderds upon hundereds of riders who frequent his shop and use both on just about every stock oem iron rotor imaginable....in the mountains...riding the dragons tail.

L8R, Bill.

 

[JINKSTER]

Whelp....In another thread regarding use of Ferodo SinterGrip ST Brake Pads on the Busa's stock rotors it was brought to our attention that the SinterGrip ST's are for use with SS Rotors only and it was infered that the stock rotors on our Busa's are made of iron...well...I wrote off too www.braketech.com and here's a pasted copy of the email I sent them...

"William Jinks4/29/05 8:12 deathgrip34953@yahoo.com


I recently (500 miles ago) purchased and installed your Ferodo SinterGrip ST brake pads on my '03 Hayabusa and in my unprofessional opinion they work great however...I have folks on the internet pointing out to me that the SinterGrip ST were/are intended for use with SS rotors only...however, after 500 miles of real hard use in the Deals Gap/Dragon Tail area of the smokey mountains my Hayabusa's stock oem iron rotors show no signs of discoloration, warping or gauling...they are a tad hazy in appearance but running my finger nail across them shows no signs of gauling.

I expect that I'll get a slight decrease in rotor longevity but to me the increased braking power is well worth that slight loss.

Please share your stance, opinion, knowledge with me on this so I can either change my pads or put my worries to rest.

Thank you for your time, William B. Jinks

and here's the response I just got back from Jeff Gehrs of BrakeTech USA INC.

"Thanks for the inquiry William;
Firstly to clarify, your Hayabusa OE rotors are indeed stainless...one would really have to search far and wide to find a motorcycle manufacturer that uses anything but stainless brake rotors.  Iron, though a superior performer in many ways, takes more care to manufacture correctly for high performance motorcycle application and as such is more costly to produce...that and the fact they are subject to rust makes them an unlikely candidate for OE applications.

The discolouring you refer to is normal and twofold:

Transfer film layer; all friction material regardless of its base composition imparts a thin deposition layer that is burnished into the contact surface of the brake rotor.  This ranges in colour from a light bronze to a darker translucent black depending on the friction material and overall operating temperature range.  This universal transfer film layer allows the brake pad to slide over the operating surface while still producing a remarkably high coefficient of friction.  Without the requisite deposition [lubrication] layer, your brakes would become nearly unusable suffering heavily from tooth jarring slip/stick phenomenon - akin to wrenching a rusty nut and bolt apart.
Heavy usage and high thermal load will literally blue the surface of a rotor from exposure to high heat.


For more information on rotor materials, please visit our Tech-Talk section of the BrakeTech.com website as we’ve quite a bit there for your perusal.

Best regards ,


--
Jeff Gehrs
BrakeTech USA, Inc

So...SURPRISE!!!..LOL!!! and I just got off the phone with Jeff minutes ago and as it turns out?...our stock oem rotors on our Busa's ARE made of a Feretic (read: "Magnetic" SS with some iron content)...STAINLESS STEEL!!! LOL!!!

meaning...Ferodo SinterGrip ST's are a wonderful and APPROPRIATE choice of sintered HH brake pad.

L8R, Bill.

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