I don't know? Just thought I saw someone of reputation say so here.
Flashing vs PCV
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To each there own, but a power commander has no pkace on my bike 
It is another thing to fail, and PC's are a lot more known for failing than factory ECU's. I just use ECU flash since it does so much more than a PC (air shifter, nitrous, stp mapping, timing adjustment, etc). I have a buddy who does that but left his Bazzaz on because of the autotune feature. It worked pretty slick switching over to E85 the other day I must say and adjustments are faster than with the flash. I'm aware of the new ECU module for datalogging and will purchase one soon but in his case he had it so why not use it.
post # 4 here is worth reading: https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/162004-dyno-question.html
Heres the post Kromdom refers to above to save y'all the click.
And another one two posts below
I know enough to know I don't know anything about this but Frank seems to.
Sorry, but I do not agree at all. A powercommander custom mapped by the right person will ALWAYS generate a better FUEL map than Ecu Editor ever could. It is more about the software than anything else . . . but I would still strongly recommend some Ecu Editor "tweaking" along with the pc custom map. I've said this time and time again. DO3 - please, no disrespect, but have you ever actually tuned anything? I seem to be the only tuner on this board that ever comments about this, and IMO, any opinion should actually be based on some kind of experience, don't you think? I respect all opinions and the people behind them, but again, there should be some basis for that opinion . . .
And another one two posts below
No. What I am saying is that you should use Ecu Editor to remove all factory restrictions, modify timing, rev limit cuts and rpms, remove factory timing retard values in lower gears, manipulate STPs, control shift lights and/or nitrous setups, and I even advocate using it for boostfuel tuning on Gen 2s; but as far as the main fuel map in the ecu, my opinion is that it should be left alone. This is why: Ecu Editor does a lot of things, much more than a powercommander. And Ecu Editor should be used for those things. There is one thing that a powercommander does better: fuel mapping. This is because the available software to map a pc box is much more advanced that what Ecu Editor offers. Mapping a bike's main fuel tables using Ecu Editor is like mapping a bike using a PCII, which any tuner knows is like going back 100 years. What I am also saying is that until you have used BOTH, you cannot honestly comment on which one is better. And although my opinion is set until something better comes along, I would recommend that anyone looking to get his bike tuned should probably talk to several tuners first, choose one and then go with what that tuner prefers and is comfortable with . . .
I know enough to know I don't know anything about this but Frank seems to.
Not really, it's just one tuners opinion. No one has mentioned that the Gen II has secondaries. The Bazzaz Unit handles this but the PCs don't. You can buy a piggy back unit from memory for the PCV but from memory now you're talking somewhere around $800. You can get an ECU flash and dyno tune for around $350.
I'm not a tuner or an anything as far as that goes, but i have done my homework. One of the best comments in this post is to find a great local tuner and follow their recommendation. If they need a PC then you better buy a PC or find another tuner.
This was found on the Dynojet website, it's a list of tuners associated with PC's if that's the route you go. I suggest you check out their website and products.
// Dealer, Tuning Center, Dyno Center Lookup //
Hope this helps
Funny but my question was never answered
I don't see that you have asked any questions in this thread. Am I missing something?
masterblaster
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Man this is a deep subject. I guess I will take the bait and dive in soon.
No sir, you're not missing anything
masterblaster
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So a direct link ECU Editor or a PC is fine but not both together?
You can, just not what I would do
SLEEPERBUSA
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I am the type of person that only speaks from personal experience.
I am NOT a tuner, but I have had 5 Busas, and they were tuned by different means.
I will only use ECU Editor from here on out.
I know people that have taken off PCs and gone thru the ECU and have made more HP than before.
I can say that I have had a power commander go bad, and when you are spraying 60hp and trusting a map, there is no room for error. I have never heard of the stock ECU loosing a map.
Just MY $.02
I am NOT a tuner, but I have had 5 Busas, and they were tuned by different means.
I will only use ECU Editor from here on out.
I know people that have taken off PCs and gone thru the ECU and have made more HP than before.
I can say that I have had a power commander go bad, and when you are spraying 60hp and trusting a map, there is no room for error. I have never heard of the stock ECU loosing a map.
Just MY $.02
masterblaster
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Just spoke with the tuner, he said only ECU Editor will be used. If he is okay with that I am sure I will be. I am happy with this as I don't like having boxes on the bike that I don't need.
Let me know when the show is.
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Will do, hoping the exhaust is here by Friday, want to get this done this weekend, might be a Friday night install session.
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