Gonna love this one.. Moron getting a badge
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Well I can say that most of the LEO's I have met are "not" out to get me.. The young "Jr Rangers" seem to have this "get'em" mentality but I think most are level headed normal guys...Any of you guys read through that police forum on other threads? They really are out to get us. What a bunch of elitists. "We touch the tail light for a reason, but it's a secret".
This is what I think
A guy like this however I think can do more damage to relations than 10,000 speeding tickets.. at least the guys that got the tickets usually deserved them...
I do not think we deserve to be cast in such a negative light by a "wannabe" and I hope the more seasoned guys there realize that like them , we do have a few idiots in our ranks... we now share one....
Well, I missed this thread all together, not sure how but it happened.
I don't quite know what to think of it all yet. From the way I see it, he could've easily made the point, started the conversation etc without ever linking to this site.
When it comes to law enforcement you learn real quick not to stab a buddy in the back as he may be the one coming to save your tail. Lots of things can happen on the way there. Heavy traffic, gotta wait on a train, took a wrong turn, Oh I thought you were on elm ave not elm street. You get the picture. For this reason I make it a point to never stick a coworker in the back or take a cheap shot as I may be the one that needs his help tomorrow.
Now for those of you who hate LEOs because you had a bad experience. Don't judge us all as being that way. I'm far from gung ho, I don't take cheap shots and I treat others as I would like to be treated. I'm not above the law and I'm as fair as they come and I don't have that young punk attitude. Of course there are times where the situation is so bad I have no choice in the matter, but most of the other times it is all based upon the attitude of the person I'm dealing with. Attitude can get you out of just as many things as it will get you into. I don't have attitude with my job until I receive attitude, plain and simple.
As for motorcycles, I've talked to my co workers, they know I have a busa, and I've explained to them how things go sometimes such as feeling like you are sitting still at 55. I'm sure a few guys have gotten quite a bit of slack because of my conversations with my co workers.
Ok I made my points and put in my 2 cents. Carry on
I don't quite know what to think of it all yet. From the way I see it, he could've easily made the point, started the conversation etc without ever linking to this site.
When it comes to law enforcement you learn real quick not to stab a buddy in the back as he may be the one coming to save your tail. Lots of things can happen on the way there. Heavy traffic, gotta wait on a train, took a wrong turn, Oh I thought you were on elm ave not elm street. You get the picture. For this reason I make it a point to never stick a coworker in the back or take a cheap shot as I may be the one that needs his help tomorrow.
Now for those of you who hate LEOs because you had a bad experience. Don't judge us all as being that way. I'm far from gung ho, I don't take cheap shots and I treat others as I would like to be treated. I'm not above the law and I'm as fair as they come and I don't have that young punk attitude. Of course there are times where the situation is so bad I have no choice in the matter, but most of the other times it is all based upon the attitude of the person I'm dealing with. Attitude can get you out of just as many things as it will get you into. I don't have attitude with my job until I receive attitude, plain and simple.
As for motorcycles, I've talked to my co workers, they know I have a busa, and I've explained to them how things go sometimes such as feeling like you are sitting still at 55. I'm sure a few guys have gotten quite a bit of slack because of my conversations with my co workers.
Ok I made my points and put in my 2 cents. Carry on
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Well, I missed this thread all together, not sure how but it happened.
I don't quite know what to think of it all yet. From the way I see it, he could've easily made the point, started the conversation etc without ever linking to this site.
When it comes to law enforcement you learn real quick not to stab a buddy in the back as he may be the one coming to save your tail. Lots of things can happen on the way there. Heavy traffic, gotta wait on a train, took a wrong turn, Oh I thought you were on elm ave not elm street. You get the picture. For this reason I make it a point to never stick a coworker in the back or take a cheap shot as I may be the one that needs his help tomorrow.
Now for those of you who hate LEOs because you had a bad experience. Don't judge us all as being that way. I'm far from gung ho, I don't take cheap shots and I treat others as I would like to be treated. I'm not above the law and I'm as fair as they come and I don't have that young punk attitude. Of course there are times where the situation is so bad I have no choice in the matter, but most of the other times it is all based upon the attitude of the person I'm dealing with. Attitude can get you out of just as many things as it will get you into. I don't have attitude with my job until I receive attitude, plain and simple.
As for motorcycles, I've talked to my co workers, they know I have a busa, and I've explained to them how things go sometimes such as feeling like you are sitting still at 55. I'm sure a few guys have gotten quite a bit of slack because of my conversations with my co workers.
Ok I made my points and put in my 2 cents. Carry on
The world needs more LEOs like you. The majority of the ones that I have "come into contact with" feel the need to be bobos. Maybe it's because I'm young, or have tattoos, or what I'm not quite sure. But level headed officers are always a welcome change...
But then, I suppose the teach you to always be on your toes. That, combined with the "I have a badge and a gun so I'm the boss" syndrome probably creates a hell of lot of douche cops right out of the gate. Am I right?
Either way, kudos to your an your ilk for being level headed and all around good cops.
I have friends who are LEO's
In the past I have worked with local LEO's and federal LEO's
In my experiance the younger they are, the more cocky and the more then tend to be a$$holes.
The seasoned officers are the ones that are usually cool, good people and down to earth.
with being a police officer that is a huge amount of authority and power.
I think the youngins get swelled heads and get on power trips and then tend to want to wield their power.
I think after an officer has been on the force for awhile. seen a lot of things good and bad they become a little more realistic.
I think they also get really more in tune with people in general and I think they either consciously or sub conciously evaluate an entire situation before making a decision.
Entire situation I mean I think they evaluate the event that occured, the people involed, the circumstances, the end result as to if there was any harm caused and then I think they take all that information and make a decision that they think is fair.
Generaly speaking for example, in referance to motorcycles
If you are out on a deserted road out in the middle of no where going balls out and a LEO just happens to be there, just you and the LEO. IF the LEO pulls you over and if the LEO has been around the block a few times. If you have an honestly humble attitude (not a BS one) but you realize you f' ud, the LEO knows you realized this. the LEO runs your tags and licence and doesnt find anything outstanding, I have heard of more than one instance where the LEO will usually very kindly verbally make you aware of what could happen to you, and if they sense you understood they often will let you off with a warning or a lower ticket.
But I honestly thinl they take in everything, your age, your history, your attitude and then they throw into the mix we are all human and they understand that.
I think the newbies. the young LEO's. I think things are a little more black and white. I think they draw a hard line in the sand.
I dont think they have the maturity to take everything into consideration. I think for them, if you broke the law it is their job to write you a ticket, take you in or whatever the law says.
And that is probably the way it should be. someone new on the forces probably shouldn't be cutting people slack right off the bat. they don't have the experaince to analyze people and don't know if someone is giving them a line of BS or not.
Anyway, that has been my experience.
Bottom line, in EVERY situation, normally if you are totally respectful to the LEO, don't BS them, don't put them in a position where they have no other choice than to do something. Usually it will turn out as best as it can.
But if you have done something wrong, and if you give attitude, or back a LEO into a corner not leaving them any options. well then you are screwed and it is your own fault in any case.
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I agree completely, but there was an occurrence where I received a ticket from a seasoned leo for passing on the right. Yes, that was the charge. And I couldn't have been more respectful or helpful with him. I pulled over instantly, parked the bike, shut it off, removed my helmet and said "yes sir, officer" to everything, and yet he still gave me the ticket. Obviously it was dismissed in court, but the fact of the matter is that he still did it and had no need to.
I dunno. I just really don't care for most cops. I've had numerous occurrences where I needed the police (for instance I was stabbed in a mugging in charlotte, nc) and they were nowhere to be seen, but anytime I find myself doing 11 over, a police officer just happens to be around.
I just think that law enforcement could be utilized much more effectively if leo's worried more about the actual societal problems (drugs, rape, murder, etc) and less about filling their quotas and lining the courts pockets with stupid offenses.
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Sometimes the LEO has inside info on something you may not know about...
passing on the right is like playing Russian roulette... he had to give you the ticket to make you think about it next time... Really bad bad choice IMO
I will hold left lane until slo-bot moves..
passing on the right is like playing Russian roulette... he had to give you the ticket to make you think about it next time... Really bad bad choice IMO
I will hold left lane until slo-bot moves..
37,248 people killed in traffic collisions last year is a pretty stupid reason to have traffic laws.
16,929 murders.
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Some faulty logic there, now add how many thousands of other serious crimes to that murder statistic and I bet it will dwarf the traffic collisions count, so to speak....
not faulty, dead is dead.
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Who are you to say that death is worse than paraplegia? Or living with the being a rape victim on your psych?
I missed something, where did you read that?
I just posted the numbers of traffic related deaths vs murder.
Nothing else.
But if you prefer death over being raped, who am I to argue.
your choice.
I just posted the numbers of traffic related deaths vs murder.
Nothing else.
But if you prefer death over being raped, who am I to argue.
your choice.
Your odds of dying of a specific cause in any year are calculated by dividing that year's population by the number of deaths by that cause in that year. Your lifetime odds of dying of a particular cause are calculated by dividing the one-year odds by the life expectancy of a person born in that year. For example, in 2003 about 45,000 Americans died in motor accidents out of population of 291,000,000. So, according to the National Safety Council this means your one-year odds of dying in a car accident is about one out of 6500. Therefore your lifetime probability (6500 ÷ 78 years life expectancy) of dying in a motor accident are about one in 83. What about your chances of dying in an airplane crash? A one-year risk of one in 400,000 and one in 5,000 lifetime risk. What about walking across the street? A one-year risk of one in 48,500 and a lifetime risk of one in 625. Drowning? A one-year risk of one in 88,000 and a one in 1100 lifetime risk. In a fire? About the same risk as drowning. Murder? A one-year risk of one in 16,500 and a lifetime risk of one in 210. What about falling? Essentially the same as being murdered. And the proverbial being struck by lightning? A one-year risk of one in 6.2 million and a lifetime risk of one in 80,000. And what is the risk that you will die of a catastrophic asteroid strike? In 1994, astronomers calculated that the chance was one in 20,000. However, as they've gathered more data on the orbits of near earth objects, the lifetime risk has been reduced to one in 200,000 or more.
The point here is random crime like murders do not occur very often.
Most murders are committed by people who knew the victim. And the majority of both victim and assailant had criminal records.
To prevent this the police would have to be in every home and building occupied by people pissed at each other.
The majority of traffic related deaths when two or more vehicles are involved is usually totally random. The victims do not know each other and never intended to due harm to one another.
When it comes down to medical cost from traffic related injuries, deaths and damage to property it ranks up at the top.
This tends to worry people more. The probability of dieing or being injured from an everyday act like driving to work is a real threat and should not be taken for granted by saying police should go out and look for other crimes.
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here is an article about random murder in NYC, year 2007
November 22, 2007
Fewer New York Murders, and Even Fewer by Strangers
By AL BAKER
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, by far the lowest amount in a 12-month period since reliable Police Department statistics became available in 1963.
But within the city’s official crime statistics is a perhaps even more striking figure: so far, with roughly half the killings analyzed, only 35 were found to be committed by strangers, a microscopic statistic in a city of 8.5 million.
If that trend holds up, fewer than 100 murder victims in New York City this year would not have known the assailants who took their lives. The vast majority died in disputes with friends or acquaintances, with rival drug crew members or — to a far lesser degree — with boyfriends, girlfriends, parents and others.The low number of stranger killings belies imagery of New Yorkers being vulnerable to arbitrary attacks on the streets, or dying in robberies or muggings that turned violent.
In the eyes of some criminologists, the New York murder rate at such base levels means the police will be hard pressed to drive it down further because most killings are now occurring within the four walls of an apartment or in the confines of close-in relationships.
“What are you going to do send cops to every house?” said Dr. Peter K. Manning, who is the Brooks professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University in Boston.
“We know that historically, homicide is the least suppressible crime by police action,” he added. “It is, generally speaking, a private crime, resulting from people who know one another and have relationships that end up in death struggles at home or in semi-public places.”
The murder figure caps a remarkable slide in the crime rate since 1990, when New York recorded its greatest number of murders in a single year — 2,245 — and when untold scores of the victims were killed in stranger-on-stranger violence.
Murders began falling in the early 1990’s, when Raymond W. Kelly first served as police commissioner, and plumetted further under subsequent commissioners. Mr. Kelly returned to serve under Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg in 2002, the first year there were fewer than 600 homicides. There were 587 murders in 2002, down from 649 in the previous year.
Nearly two decades ago, the city’s crack-cocaine epidemic led to headlines about gang turf wars, semiautomatic gunfire in schoolyards and a daily police blotter that grimly reported more than six homicides, on average.
This year, with 428 murders logged as of Sunday — 412 actual killings plus 16 crime victims who have died this year from injuries sustained long ago — the average number of murders is slightly more than one per day.
The numbers on file from before 1963 are not considered reliable because in those years, many homicides were not recorded until an arrest was made and the case was closed, making any comparisons faulty. For example, there were 390 murders recorded in 1960, but the different methodology means that number cannot be compared to today’s.
The killings in 2007 that have seized recent headlines appear to have personal motives at their core: An assistant has been charged with killing her broker boss, Linda Stein, inside Ms. Stein’s Fifth Avenue penthouse after a vicious argument; a Queens orthodontist, Daniel Malakov, was allegedly gunned down by a relative of his estranged wife, a woman he was bitterly fighting in twin divorce and child custody proceedings.
So far this year, Police Department analysts have been able to determine a relationship between the victim and assailant in 212 of the 428 murders committed as of Nov. 18.
They found 35 instances where the victim did not know the killer. Officials said there 121 such instances for all of last year. The motives in the remainder of the killings are still being analyzed. The sliding homicide rate raises a question of whether other types of offenses are on the rise. But police statistics — which are subject to an internal auditing system in place since the early 1990’s — show dips in six of the seven major crime categories, according to the department’s latest marking-period reports.
As of Sunday, overall crime is down 6.47 percent, compared with the same period last year. Besides murders falling, the numbers of rapes, robberies, burglaries, grand larcenies and car thefts are all on the decline. Felony assaults have increased slightly, to 15,372 from 15,344, a 0.1 percent increase, according to the police statistics. Shootings, a number the department has tracked for 14 years, as well as the number of victims wounded in those shootings are both down.
After years when crime fell across the nation, many cities in the country are now experiencing a surge in homicides, said Thomas A. Reppetto, a police historian who monitors the city crime numbers and who helped write, “NYPD: A City and Its Police,” (Henry Holt, 2000).
“You would expect New York to follow the national trend, but instead, murders continue to go down considerably,” said Mr. Reppetto.
“Not only has the N.Y.P.D. reduced murder, by nearly 80 percent, but it has changed the pattern of homicides,” he added. “In the early 1990’s, many innocent citizens were killed by bullets from battling drug gangs. Today, thanks to the police drive against the gangs, that type of homicide is far less common.”
What is extremely common around the nation in the case of non-stranger murders is not family member versus family member, but criminal against criminal or drug crew members killing one another, said David M. Kennedy, the director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan.
Indeed, according to 400 killings this year that the Police Department has analyzed, the numbers of people with previous arrests for homicides was striking: 196 victims and 149 alleged killers. And, 77 percent of alleged killers had a previous arrest history, while 70 percent of victims did, the statistics showed.
When told about the low murder numbers, Mr. Kennedy uttered a single word: “Wow.”
Then, he added: “What this shows is that the N.Y.P.D. — and whatever else is going on in New York — has managed to squeeze the problem of active offenders against active offenders down to a remarkably, historically low level.”
November 22, 2007
Fewer New York Murders, and Even Fewer by Strangers
By AL BAKER
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, by far the lowest amount in a 12-month period since reliable Police Department statistics became available in 1963.
But within the city’s official crime statistics is a perhaps even more striking figure: so far, with roughly half the killings analyzed, only 35 were found to be committed by strangers, a microscopic statistic in a city of 8.5 million.
If that trend holds up, fewer than 100 murder victims in New York City this year would not have known the assailants who took their lives. The vast majority died in disputes with friends or acquaintances, with rival drug crew members or — to a far lesser degree — with boyfriends, girlfriends, parents and others.The low number of stranger killings belies imagery of New Yorkers being vulnerable to arbitrary attacks on the streets, or dying in robberies or muggings that turned violent.
In the eyes of some criminologists, the New York murder rate at such base levels means the police will be hard pressed to drive it down further because most killings are now occurring within the four walls of an apartment or in the confines of close-in relationships.
“What are you going to do send cops to every house?” said Dr. Peter K. Manning, who is the Brooks professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University in Boston.
“We know that historically, homicide is the least suppressible crime by police action,” he added. “It is, generally speaking, a private crime, resulting from people who know one another and have relationships that end up in death struggles at home or in semi-public places.”
The murder figure caps a remarkable slide in the crime rate since 1990, when New York recorded its greatest number of murders in a single year — 2,245 — and when untold scores of the victims were killed in stranger-on-stranger violence.
Murders began falling in the early 1990’s, when Raymond W. Kelly first served as police commissioner, and plumetted further under subsequent commissioners. Mr. Kelly returned to serve under Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg in 2002, the first year there were fewer than 600 homicides. There were 587 murders in 2002, down from 649 in the previous year.
Nearly two decades ago, the city’s crack-cocaine epidemic led to headlines about gang turf wars, semiautomatic gunfire in schoolyards and a daily police blotter that grimly reported more than six homicides, on average.
This year, with 428 murders logged as of Sunday — 412 actual killings plus 16 crime victims who have died this year from injuries sustained long ago — the average number of murders is slightly more than one per day.
The numbers on file from before 1963 are not considered reliable because in those years, many homicides were not recorded until an arrest was made and the case was closed, making any comparisons faulty. For example, there were 390 murders recorded in 1960, but the different methodology means that number cannot be compared to today’s.
The killings in 2007 that have seized recent headlines appear to have personal motives at their core: An assistant has been charged with killing her broker boss, Linda Stein, inside Ms. Stein’s Fifth Avenue penthouse after a vicious argument; a Queens orthodontist, Daniel Malakov, was allegedly gunned down by a relative of his estranged wife, a woman he was bitterly fighting in twin divorce and child custody proceedings.
So far this year, Police Department analysts have been able to determine a relationship between the victim and assailant in 212 of the 428 murders committed as of Nov. 18.
They found 35 instances where the victim did not know the killer. Officials said there 121 such instances for all of last year. The motives in the remainder of the killings are still being analyzed. The sliding homicide rate raises a question of whether other types of offenses are on the rise. But police statistics — which are subject to an internal auditing system in place since the early 1990’s — show dips in six of the seven major crime categories, according to the department’s latest marking-period reports.
As of Sunday, overall crime is down 6.47 percent, compared with the same period last year. Besides murders falling, the numbers of rapes, robberies, burglaries, grand larcenies and car thefts are all on the decline. Felony assaults have increased slightly, to 15,372 from 15,344, a 0.1 percent increase, according to the police statistics. Shootings, a number the department has tracked for 14 years, as well as the number of victims wounded in those shootings are both down.
After years when crime fell across the nation, many cities in the country are now experiencing a surge in homicides, said Thomas A. Reppetto, a police historian who monitors the city crime numbers and who helped write, “NYPD: A City and Its Police,” (Henry Holt, 2000).
“You would expect New York to follow the national trend, but instead, murders continue to go down considerably,” said Mr. Reppetto.
“Not only has the N.Y.P.D. reduced murder, by nearly 80 percent, but it has changed the pattern of homicides,” he added. “In the early 1990’s, many innocent citizens were killed by bullets from battling drug gangs. Today, thanks to the police drive against the gangs, that type of homicide is far less common.”
What is extremely common around the nation in the case of non-stranger murders is not family member versus family member, but criminal against criminal or drug crew members killing one another, said David M. Kennedy, the director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan.
Indeed, according to 400 killings this year that the Police Department has analyzed, the numbers of people with previous arrests for homicides was striking: 196 victims and 149 alleged killers. And, 77 percent of alleged killers had a previous arrest history, while 70 percent of victims did, the statistics showed.
When told about the low murder numbers, Mr. Kennedy uttered a single word: “Wow.”
Then, he added: “What this shows is that the N.Y.P.D. — and whatever else is going on in New York — has managed to squeeze the problem of active offenders against active offenders down to a remarkably, historically low level.”
Back on subject :
Moto is @ 18 years of age and from my understanding lost his father, and for some unknown reason has decided to become an LEO.
I went back an read what started this whole mess. He wrote a letter in a popo forum about new Florida laws that he read about on hayabusa.oRg. I took it that he didn't agree with the new laws. This could be taken different ways of course. I agree with him about runners. His reference to the oRg was an informative thread giving everyone heads up about new laws in Florida.
I believe moto has taken one of those lifes lessons from this entire matter. I'm almost 49 and I still screw the pooch on occassion.
So; I would ask that everyone have just a little understanding here, and a little forgiveness this time. Rich and I have been with this kid from the start on the oRg and have joked with him endlessly. I can't speak for Rich or anyone else but myself.
I'm letting this matter go. Few of us on here support running.
I personnally disagree with the penalties in the new laws in Florida.
Moto is @ 18 years of age and from my understanding lost his father, and for some unknown reason has decided to become an LEO.
I went back an read what started this whole mess. He wrote a letter in a popo forum about new Florida laws that he read about on hayabusa.oRg. I took it that he didn't agree with the new laws. This could be taken different ways of course. I agree with him about runners. His reference to the oRg was an informative thread giving everyone heads up about new laws in Florida.
I believe moto has taken one of those lifes lessons from this entire matter. I'm almost 49 and I still screw the pooch on occassion.
So; I would ask that everyone have just a little understanding here, and a little forgiveness this time. Rich and I have been with this kid from the start on the oRg and have joked with him endlessly. I can't speak for Rich or anyone else but myself.
I'm letting this matter go. Few of us on here support running.
I personnally disagree with the penalties in the new laws in Florida.
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