Got new tires yesterday

I had Michelin pilot power 2ct mounted......man what feedback! It feels like a totallly different bike. The OEM Bridgestones I have no complaints...they always stuck and I had no chicken strip left on the back tire when they were taken off....but the feedback through the front end now is incredible. I know the tire carcass is very stiff when new....but I never had this level of feedback with the Bridgestones...but then again I did not set the suspension up until about 4000 miles. I've got 4800 on it now. Great tires so far. The only question that arised for me was when I looked at the tread pattern on the front versus the back......it seems that the front would actually channel water towards the center of the tire when moving forward, rather than out. Any thoughts from other pilot power owners?
 
Not so sure about the PP2ct myself... the dual compound sure seems off in the distance compared to say the Corsa3.. Looking at the compound distribution, I would think it pretty tough to get at the soft compound in day to day riding.. The C3 has as I recall about twice the soft patch..

PP2ct
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Oh and the tires come balanced too... if your rim is straight and balanced, you do not need to balance the Corsa3 :) nice perk..
 
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Dan said:
I have the T-Rex stands and they work okay but the bike slipped off them when lowering. I've used the front stand 5 or 6 times and it's slipped off twice so I will probably be replacing that one.
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An unorthodox approach for helping the bike stay upright, I drilled the 6mm handlebar endcap holes to 10mm, so I could install eyebolts when doing work on the bike.

The downside is the endcaps need to be drilled/machined. I use these as a tie-down point also,(dont like using the grips). They have served me well for almost a year.

Pic shows ratchet ties going from the eyebolts to my garage rafters. Just food for thought.

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Feedback on the PP 2CT is great. They have a softer carcass than the stones. I run mine 36/36 on the street and 32/33 on the track. Turn-in is very easy. They track well on many surface types. The only tire slip I have had on the front was before the tires were warmed up, and under hard track cornering. I was able to regain traction with little effort. The rear has slipped around from the outstanding traction of the front tire under heavy braking. I had my rear tire off the ground enough to loose traction when I stopped to avoid running a red light (they recently reduced the yellow light cycle and I forgot about it). The PP 2CT is an outstanding rain tire. They are basically are soft track slicks with rain channels. I like them so much I will be mounting another set when it's time. I'm going with a 190/55 on the rear at that time.

I have the Corsas on the CBR. They don't feel as well planted as the PP 2CT. I know part of that is the weight of the Busa. The Corsas take longer to warm up. Once they do they feel pretty good. Turn in is easy. I will be taking the CBR out today to flog the Corsas some more after I get the fairings put back together.
 
Mr Bogus said:
Not so sure about the PP2ct myself... the dual compound sure seems off in the distance compared to say the Corsa3.. Looking at the compound distribution, I would think it pretty tough to get at the soft compound in day to day riding.. The C3 has as I recall about twice the soft patch.
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The medium compound is the same as the standard PP. The sides are the same softness as the PP Race tire. So far I have scrubbed the little arrows of the tire edges, but that was on the track. Under street conditions I don't think I will ever really need anything softer than the medium compound.
 
bogus, you are right.....the real soft stuff does not get used very often. I ordered these tires online, and when I took them to the stealership to get mounted, an acquaintance of mine that works there showed me the compound distribution on the pilot road 2....this will be my next tire. Notice the reverse tread pattern on the front.....tru i will send you another link, the one you saw has the tread pattern for the reg. pp's instead of the pp 2ct. Looks like they mislabeled the tire in that shot...

here is the pilot road...
http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/index.cfm?event=pilotroad2
 
tru....you have to go to the tire selector tool and get to the selections for the busa that way......the picture of the pp 2ct's on that page is correct. You will se what I am talking about.
 
I found it odd that the Michelin Sport HPX is considered by Michelin to be a better performance (leaning towards track) tire than the Road 2.
 
Dan well since you got new Tires Sir you need to bring the Bike to Texas World Speedway and break them in Sir :poke:::whistle:
 
easy, I was contemplating the HPX- as it was specifically designed for the busa by Michelin......specifically meaning that Michelin designed this tire to sustain 200 mph for extended periods of time. As far as lean angle and overall grip, i'm sure it does an excellent job, but I will not be running 200 mph and the pp 2ct seem to fit the bill for me as it was the stickiest tire michelin made for the street at the time of my research. The HPX is more expensive, but when shopping for tires price is not my #1 priority, grip and reputation are. Next will be pilot road 2's.:thumbsup:
 
busaboyk7 said:
easy, I was contemplating the HPX- as it was specifically designed for the busa by Michelin......specifically meaning that Michelin designed this tire to sustain 200 mph for extended periods of time. As far as lean angle and overall grip, i'm sure it does an excellent job, but I will not be running 200 mph and the pp 2ct seem to fit the bill for me as it was the stickiest tire michelin made for the street at the time of my research. The HPX is more expensive, but when shopping for tires price is not my #1 priority, grip and reputation are. Next will be pilot road 2's.:thumbsup:
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I suspect I'll give the HPXs a try on my B-King next time I'm due. Remember, a lot is riding on your tires. ???
 
Rayabusa0818 said:
Nice...I have ran through about three sets of those, but now I'm in love with my Dunlop Qualifiers :)
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Ray, you are nuts on with your Quallies! They are my tire of choice as well. However, the Corsa III is running a very close second. Pirelli gave me a set of Corsa III's to try out last fall and I flogged them severely on the track. I found them to be right up there with the Qualifier's when it came to performance.

FYI, the Corsa III's have the soft bubble gum rubber on a full one third of the rear tires road surface on either side while the PP 2ct's only gives one a small strip less than an inch wide which is used only at full lean. Pirelli gave us stick where it's needed in the III's when we are hard on the throttle demanding exit drive.

The Corsa III's as well as Dunlop's Qualifier have a stiff carcass which gives good feed back of the road/track surface, unlike Michelin's PP's/2ct's which has a very light thin carcass which gives a nice soft ride but poor feed back.

Keep in mind, your suspension setup will have a great effect on how different tires perform. Setting your suspension up for a PP for example then changing to a Qualifier may make the qualifier perform poorly until you readjust your suspension to fit the new tire. In many or maybe most cases it's the suspension, not the tire that makes a rider unhappy with a given tire's performance.

:beerchug:
 
Tufbusa said:
Ray, you are nuts on with your Quallies! They are my tire of choice as well. However, the Corsa III is running a very close second. Pirelli gave me a set of Corsa III's to try out last fall and I flogged them severely on the track. I found them to be right up there with the Qualifier's when it came to performance.

FYI, the Corsa III's have the soft bubble gum rubber on a full one third of the rear tires road surface on either side while the PP 2ct's only gives one a small strip less than an inch wide which is used only at full lean. Pirelli gave us stick where it's needed in the III's when we are hard on the throttle demanding exit drive.

The Corsa III's as well as Dunlop's Qualifier have a stiff carcass which gives good feed back of the road/track surface, unlike Michelin's PP's/2ct's which has a very light thin carcass which gives a nice soft ride but poor feed back.

Keep in mind, your suspension setup will have a great effect on how different tires perform. Setting your suspension up for a PP for example then changing to a Qualifier may make the qualifier perform poorly until you readjust your suspension to fit the new tire. In many or maybe most cases it's the suspension, not the tire that makes a rider unhappy with a given tire's performance.

:beerchug:
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What suspension set up would you recommend for a rider that's 5'10" 155lbs. with the C3's?
 
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