Government Shutdown?

[skydivr]

Soo...we ban the WWII vets from their PRIVATELY FUNDED Memorial - Yet we sponsor the Illegal Immigrant Rally on Public property...
We without survivor benefits for combat casualties - Yet you don't hear a peep about delaying Welfare or WIC payments....

How Mr. OBVIOUS does it have to get?

 

[SLO MO]

One thing I give the GOP credit on is the ability to shape their talking points and pump them out to their supporters, no matter how ridiculous they are.

I tend to take an objective approach to many situations and incidents, it seems a lot of people here just get all emotional and dismiss a lot of facts but simply settle for the latest Fox news or drudge reporting of events. Lets be clear, this govt shutdown is all on a minority of Republicans that were hell bent on defunding the affordable health care act which by the way has nothing to do with this, it was brought in as a bargaining chip by that small group that planned on holding the Fed govt and the people up to get a win in their check box, after 40 plus attempts to do this you would think they would move on.

This compromise nonsense is laughable but scary, because John Boehner can't stand up to these guys and end this thing, besides the facts say the Dems have already compromised and if they passed the CR that Boehner himself proposed and the Dems agreed to (Clean Bill) as it is refereed to, it would be funding the govt at 2008 levels and would be 2 Billy below G W Bush's last budget proposal.

Government shutdown falls at the feet of a few selfish republicans despite what the company line is or what Fox and friends says.

 

[dadofthree]

I haven't kept up with this at all. It's all a bunch of political BS that shows just how much each party cares about Americans. I'm not feeling the pinch I guess because I'm just a good 'ol American tax payer, but I fully understand how harmful this can be to those that have lost money in this. Government employees will probably recoup all there money but they'll even have added expenses and other burdens because of this.

 

[TWT racer]

i have my eye on something worse...today is October 1st.

yup !

 

[piratediverjefff]

One thing I give the GOP credit on is the ability to shape their talking points and pump them out to their supporters, no matter how ridiculous they are.

I tend to take an objective approach to many situations and incidents, it seems a lot of people here just get all emotional and dismiss a lot of facts but simply settle for the latest Fox news or drudge reporting of events. Lets be clear, this govt shutdown is all on a minority of Republicans that were hell bent on defunding the affordable health care act which by the way has nothing to do with this, it was brought in as a bargaining chip by that small group that planned on holding the Fed govt and the people up to get a win in their check box, after 40 plus attempts to do this you would think they would move on.

This compromise nonsense is laughable but scary, because John Boehner can't stand up to these guys and end this thing, besides the facts say the Dems have already compromised and if they passed the CR that Boehner himself proposed and the Dems agreed to (Clean Bill) as it is refereed to, it would be funding the govt at 2008 levels and would be 2 Billy below G W Bush's last budget proposal.

Government shutdown falls at the feet of a few selfish republicans despite what the company line is or what Fox and friends says.

...it's all Bush's fault.

 

[masterblaster]

Obama is Bush on steroids with even more devious intent. Repubs and ZDems are two parts of the same Mafia family. I hope the whole fkn thing collapses so we can clear the books and get back to basics, I hate the fact I am leaving my kids to live in a Socialist un free state (Unconstitutional) that is bankrupt, I hope the collapse comes in my life time not my kids or grand kids time.

One thing I give the GOP credit on is the ability to shape their talking points and pump them out to their supporters, no matter how ridiculous they are.

I tend to take an objective approach to many situations and incidents, it seems a lot of people here just get all emotional and dismiss a lot of facts but simply settle for the latest Fox news or drudge reporting of events. Lets be clear, this govt shutdown is all on a minority of Republicans that were hell bent on defunding the affordable health care act which by the way has nothing to do with this, it was brought in as a bargaining chip by that small group that planned on holding the Fed govt and the people up to get a win in their check box, after 40 plus attempts to do this you would think they would move on.

This compromise nonsense is laughable but scary, because John Boehner can't stand up to these guys and end this thing, besides the facts say the Dems have already compromised and if they passed the CR that Boehner himself proposed and the Dems agreed to (Clean Bill) as it is refereed to, it would be funding the govt at 2008 levels and would be 2 Billy below G W Bush's last budget proposal.

Government shutdown falls at the feet of a few selfish republicans despite what the company line is or what Fox and friends says.

 

[voodoolord]

Allow me to rebut.

One thing I give the GOP credit on is the ability to shape their talking points and pump them out to their supporters, no matter how ridiculous they are.

This is a fundamental difference between the Democrat and Republican sides of congress. At the least you are the pot calling the kettle black as the democrats have been far and away the champions of shaping talking points (propaganda) and pumping it out to their supporters I/E media matters, ACORN, the Tides foundation, Huffpo, the AP, the New York Times, the LA Times, The Seattle Times, The Journal Constitution, Politico, the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC,........on and on and on not to mention the comedy networks, morning shows, 60 minutes, the Discovery channel, Disney, all of these and more regurgitate the talking points that come from the Associated Press (AP) visa vi the people that have been in the tank with the administration since its inception and against the last administration since its inception. The liberal and even the conservative PROGRESSIVES have had the media in their pocket for the last 40 years or more. I would like to see your list of conservative media and compare the two. What you fail to understand is that the new generation of conservatives in congress do not generate talking points that the supporters follow. The new generation of conservatives like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Louie Golmert, Rand Paul and others are representing the will of their constituents which is what is supposed to happen in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. They are representing the will of the people not dictating their will on the people. The majority of the American people have been and still are against the affordable care act. Hopefully even you can understand this.

I tend to take an objective approach to many situations and incidents, it seems a lot of people here just get all emotional and dismiss a lot of facts but simply settle for the latest Fox news or drudge reporting of events.

This you absolutely do not do. I dont remember ever reading a salient point from you when it comes to politics and have never seen an objective approach in any of your responses. The FACT is that you rarely offer up facts and the majority of your opinions seem to come right out of Media Matters talking points.

Lets be clear, this govt shutdown is all on a minority of Republicans that were hell bent on defunding the affordable health care act which by the way has nothing to do with this, it was brought in as a bargaining chip by that small group that planned on holding the Fed govt and the people up to get a win in their check box, after 40 plus attempts to do this you would think they would move on.

To be clear, the minority of Republican of which you speak are the only ones that have had the balls to represent their constituents on the issues for which they campaigned and were elected and have not capitulated to the Washington normal which is to say everything your constituents want to hear with a smile and vote for any position that allows them to go along to get along and get a leg up in the process. These guys and gals are representing their districts with honesty. For a person that takes an objective approach Im sure you would find that commendable? Standing on principal?

This compromise nonsense is laughable but scary, because John Boehner can't stand up to these guys and end this thing, besides the facts say the Dems have already compromised and if they passed the CR that Boehner himself proposed and the Dems agreed to (Clean Bill) as it is refereed to, it would be funding the govt at 2008 levels and would be 2 Billy below G W Bush's last budget proposal.

John Boehner is no friend to constitutional conservatives or the constitution in general. He would rather sell is constituents under the bus then stand on principal. Its us that are running the show now and oh boy do we have some things in store for you progressives. So lets forget John because he is not long as a speaker or a member of congress for that matter. There are going to be some competitors in his race next election. Your (clean bill) is basically what all the progressives want and nothing that the conservatives want. Is that clean? Sure maybe for you but Americans have been railroaded enough in the last 80 years not to mention the last 13 and things are going to be different. The greatest thing to happen to this nation in the last 70 years is the last 13 years of relentless and progressive regulation because it has awakened the American spirit in a way that Marx, Mao, Stalin or Obama could not have imagined. When you push a people like us into a corner we do not quit and that is what your seeing now. As for government funding isn't 17 trillion enough for you? We need to raise the debt ceiling so we can borrow more? The national debt has nearly doubled since 2009. Don't you get that? You might not get that if all your watching is MSNBC.

Government shutdown falls at the feet of a few selfish republicans despite what the company line is or what Fox and friends says.

There you go again blaming.......companies? Fox and friends? A few selfish republicans? Selfish for what? Because they are representing their constituents against the majority in congress? Isn't that what congress is for? What company line? The last I checked there were more corporations (companies) in bed with the Democrats because the Democrats were going to give them stuff like waivers from Obamacare. And why by the way do all these corporations want waivers from Obamacare? Why do the unions want waivers? Why does the majority in congress want subsidies from Obamacare? Why after three years of implementation does the damn thing not work? You cant even sign up if you tried. If you ****ed something up so bad after forcing it on a party line vote on Christmas eve in a closed door session against the majority will of the people You might be a little defensive. Maybe not in a mood to negotiate because it shows your incompetence.

How about a line by line rebuttal from you SLO MO, I took the time. Explain yourself. Lets see what you got.

 

[skydivr]

MO, you crack me up. I am so glad we still have a few liberal progressives to debate, since most of them have taken their toys and gone home once they actually had to debate someone (and lost)...

I ask you, how many times in history have the Republicans created this situation? How many times has a Democratic House held up a Republican President and Senate in the same manner? Which party actually physically carried a Casket with the proposed budget in it up the Capitol hill steps in a publicity stunt to show this proposal was "Dead on Arrival"? Well, we know it wasn't THIS administration, as it's the first in HISTORY to have YET to even SUBMIT a budget in his ENTIRE TERM(S), not even when they held ALL THREE before the 2010 elections....the Dems don't WANT a budget because it hides all the reckless spending that's been going on since Obama took office. I will grant you that our Rhino Republicans have colluded in spending too much money, which is what actually caused the rise of the Tea (Taxed Enough Already) subset, in order to bring us back to a fiscally responsible government (just like a business, the one's that are NOT fiscally responsible over the long run stop existing). The people that actually PAY the taxes have seen what's going on; they recognize it's unsustainability - and are electing/sending representatives to government to try and FIX this before it's too late. Compounded by a President and his party who seem hell-bound to destruction, creates this impasse. I for one hope the House STANDS IT'S GROUND this time.

If I remember correctly, it's the President who decided to bind the Debt Limit and CR into one issue (thinking he could put enough pressure on the House); this may work or it may backfire in his face. Then again, he's been getting a complete 'get out of jail free' card by the press for the last few years as they've been co-opted (you can say FOX is unfair, but you'd also have to admit MSNBC is rabidly unfair also).

I still think the deathblow to Obamacare will happen when SCOTUS finally get's to rule on it's constitutionality as a TAX, it's just going to waste us a few Trillion until it does. If a budget impasse can stop the funding it does now, what happens when all our healthcare is ALSO hostage? Absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY...

Remember, it's the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES job to fund, not the Senate nor the Executive - created in order to have a set of checks and balances by our founding fathers.

 

[StromBusa]

I think about it like this: The progressive liberals take their play book from the Grass Roots... "la la la la Live for Today" Consequently they are all for doing whatever feels good, and spending like drunken sailors. "Let somebody else worry about it later". Conservatives on the other hand think broader than this "live for the moment selfishness" and (unpopular as it may be) harsh the liberal buzz by advocating some adherence to historically successful principles and proven strategies. Throw on a little advocacy of financial responsibility toward future generations & we end up being the proverbial wet blankets arguing with the "full retard" liberal "lets blow the roll" & "party till we drop" mindset. Yes three standard deviations of the conservative population includes some geezers, bible thumpers, cut throat CEO's, gay intolerants, pro life advocates, and scorched earth businessmen at the extremes of the bell curve for the liberals to whine about. However, in general the collective group has an instinctive respect for the importance of societal structure, and rewards individual motivation, resourcefulness, and live & let live ideals. Liberals on the other hand are a rude & in your face group that delights in challenging the lessons of millennium in favor of popular notion, most of which omits from one pied piper or another. Void of critical thought or any real contemplation of downstream implication they would march us all off a cliff like lemmings. They shed individual responsibility in a herd mentality, an sugar coat some real nasty attributes. I used to put up with it quietly but the increasing momentum of this liberal apocalypse of late gets me concerned. If we let them take our guns and spend our country into ruin, our great experiment will be little more than a blip in history some day. We have a constitution & I say we stick to it. It is on me to speak my opinion on these things, I owe it to our ancestors.

 

[voodoolord]

If we let them take our guns and spend our country into ruin, our great experiment will be little more than a blip in history some day. We have a constitution & I say we stick to it. It is on me to speak my opinion on these things, I owe it to our ancestors.

Ayuh +1

 

[voodoolord]

Still no answer from SLO? Hmm.........Cant say Im surprised.

 

[skydivr]

Two new rumors I've Seen/heard today:

1. That MP's are being brought in to deny access to the WWII Memorial...

2. That the National Guard is going to block the trucker's protest.

Either would be a HUGE escalation and monumental mistake by this administration.....

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

That has got to be the rumor mill run amuck...police would be used for both if true. No reason for the military.

Two new rumors I've Seen/heard today:

1. That MP's are being brought in to deny access to the WWII Memorial...

2. That the National Guard is going to block the trucker's protest.

Either would be a HUGE escalation and monumental mistake by this administration.....

 

[bigjack7679]

This is not a game of chicken, its a game of stupidity.... basically the GOP held the budget hostage trying to change something that was passed into law, not only once but 42 times they tried. What is the definition of insanity again? The law was approved by the Supreme court, it is constitutionally legal. Its over move the heck on and quit the political grand standing. The latest hinged on the Dem just folding and submitting to their tactics of trying to tie something that has nothing to do with funding the government but they didn't and now the GOP is left looking really selfish.

I don't know why people insist on quoting numbers that are not accurate, plain and simple the affordable care act is for everyone to pay for insurance, which gets rid of some of the biggest problems that contribute to rising hospital cost, people with no health insurance using the ER as their general physician.

For those not covered through work, you have options and different tiers, of course the higher tier has a higher payment but lower out of pocket and deductible and the lower tier is the opposite, this is the same as my company plan. The one big difference is that family member that could not get insurance before because they had a preexisting condition can now get coverage, and those who meet certain income levels get part of the cost subsidized making it duh "affordable health care" why is this a bad thing?

Check the facts for yourself. I don't qualify because I have HC from my employer, but I'm happy for those who are not blessed with those same resources.

https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/individual/

These are facts that I like

 

[StromBusa]

That has got to be the rumor mill run amuck...police would be used for both if true. No reason for the military.

Getting harder to tell them apart....

 

[skydivr]

One of my co-worker tells the story of one of his friends who works for a trucking company. His company is dropping their insurance and leaving their employees to the exchanges (when the penalty is $2K **for now** and the current premium is 5X that, can't hardly blame the company). This guy went on line, and found out that his new premium, to keep the care he currently has, is going to cost more than his MORTGAGE payment...therefore, he will go inunsured and go to the ER for free when he needs it. But wait, I thought the President said it would be "CHEAPER"...?

I am still waiting to see what our plan is going to cost next year; I should know in the next month or so....then it won't be heresay anymore...

 

[dadofthree]

Is it still shutdown