Gun Questions

mysql said:
what? you cannot open carry in FL unless you're at a shooting range or hunting.

You must get a CCW.
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I think you misunderstood. I was replying to JGGUNS when he said that afterhours might reside in an open carry state. I was stating that I sometimes forget that many states are open carry because I live in Florida (a concealed carry state.)

Heck, you didn't read this post, did you?
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/random-thoughts/143663-gun-questions.html#post2564581

:whistle: :beerchug:
 
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ahh. I'm not so good with english sometimes :)

Rumor is that FL might become open carry in the future.

I'm not so sure what I think about open carry. If a guy is robbing a store, they'd look around and size up who they have to kill first.
 
Thanks guys,

I am trying to gather more info. I know what i like to carry, and what I like to use...However, this is a new situation for me and just wanted some other opinions. The plan is that employees would be armed, semi-auto or revolver according to thier own preference.

My real question would be for a an emergency weapon, placed under a counter or in a backroom. The idea is that this would be a second option, if they happen to be disarmed.....or taking cover in the warehouse etc.

I guess my real question is....What would you prefer as a secondary weapon, stowed in a shelf or backroom?

we will be in a block walled warehouse office.

Local gun laws will allow me to carry on premises, open or concealed at all times. It has been suggested i do by local PD. It was suggested I get CCW to transfer cash to the bank.

PS: I appreciate that you guys are stressing about training, and believe me I am not some cowboy.
 
Given your clarification, I would almost certainly go for the shotgun.

I have to say, you have piqued my curiosity. I don't suppose you can give us a hint as to what type of business this is? Had you not mentioned your conversations with a LEO, I might assume that you were going into the drug trade. :laugh:
 
JGGUNS said:
Very good point. Leave no one breathing if it comes down to a shooting. Dead men don't have a contradicting story and they cant sue you.
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Remember everything you say on the internet can come back to bite you in a civil/criminal trial. This is whether it's your true feelings, or just bravado, some responses are better kept close to your chest....

Dead men can't sue you but their family can and likely will...
 
afterhours said:
Thanks guys,

I am trying to gather more info. I know what i like to carry, and what I like to use...However, this is a new situation for me and just wanted some other opinions. The plan is that employees would be armed, semi-auto or revolver according to thier own preference.

My real question would be for a an emergency weapon, placed under a counter or in a backroom. The idea is that this would be a second option, if they happen to be disarmed.....or taking cover in the warehouse etc.

I guess my real question is....What would you prefer as a secondary weapon, stowed in a shelf or backroom?

we will be in a block walled warehouse office.

Local gun laws will allow me to carry on premises, open or concealed at all times. It has been suggested i do by local PD. It was suggested I get CCW to transfer cash to the bank.

PS: I appreciate that you guys are stressing about training, and believe me I am not some cowboy.
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Shotgun would be my first choice with this update you have provided. If you go with a rifle, I would highly recommend a sighting system of the EoTech variety. It allows for being on target extremely fast and follow up shots are almost immediate.
 
RussellJ said:
Get an AR with hollow points, You get 25 rounds per mag, more than your pistols or shotguns. The side by side mags for fast reloads are nice too so you would virtually have 50 rounds to burn on some unlucky bastard. Over compensation is better than being SOL if something does go down.

One blast from a shotgun though usually does the job or makes them rethink their decision...
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Why in the world would someone need 25 rounds during a close quarters gunfight? Statisics show that an average of 2 rounds are fired during a gunfight. A handgun that you are comfortable with is what would be needed.
 
mysql said:
yeah, gunbattles don't really happen in real life... someone runs.

Video for illustration: LiveLeak.com - Gunfight Caught on Tape: Store Owner vs. 2 Armed Robbers


I'd go for an autoreloading shotgun.
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This is what I keep next to my bed. I'm thinking of getting one of those bed frame mounts. http://www.the-backup.com/ I could build one, but for $40, why go to the trouble?

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My choice would be this, but then again I'm a little biased because it is my entry weapon. Eotech hologram sight, shoots a .40 and real hard to miss with. Great cqb...

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The real answer is a light weight revolvers with 38 +P JHP . Point and shoot, no safety, no racking slides, easiest to shoot under defensive duress. Light weight revolver because you need to carry it all day. 38 special regular loads or +P because they are very easy rounds to shoot well especially in lightweight revovlers. Have employees take a close quarters combat training course follow that up with training a couple times a month for at least six months or so. Use the revolvers for initial engagement with perps and they will likey run, however a couple combat shot guns to retreat to while suppressing the perps with revolvers will nearly always win the day. Train to live... Your money and lives will likely be safe unless facing trained operators... Then your money is probably gone and you're dead anyway.
 
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Also - depending on lay out of the office/building you can fortify areas and design space to give your guys an big advantage if the worse ever happens... cover and concealment ya know!
 
Ohh - and have a plan! enticipate scenarios practice signals, code words to alert others - lots of things to think about in addition to weapons.
 
My opinion is carrying a reliable handgun, many options there. I prefer a revolver and a secondary piece as well. Also, Ghille raised an excellent point....know hand-to-hand defense. In my younger days(teen years, long time ago) I boxed for the Boys Club and that stuff has been invaluable over the years. I recommend some basic defense courses, kick boxing, especially jujitsu(throws, holds, and blows).

Remember, Chuck Norris never needs a gun! :bowdown:
 
If your that fearful of an armed robbery someone should invest in a secure enclosure, panic button, time lock safe and armored car pickup of the cash.

Before you go stashing rifles and shotguns around the premises better consider the other employees past and present their abilities and mindsets. Definitely regular drug and background checks for everyone who can lay hands a stashed gun. It may be that you end up arming the robbers or disgruntled employees. If the long guns are secured to prevent access, then they will be of little use to you when you need them. Unless your expecting a siege.
 
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