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From:
DieselR1 (lastdiesel@aol.com)
Date:
Saturday, May 15, 1999 07:34 AM
Hey all, Diesel here. Sorry i been away for awhile,and yes..i still have yet to get a R1..things
are looking up though. So hopefully before the end of summer, i'll know what the "true hype" is
all about.
Which brings me on the subject of the yabbadabbaduser (try saying that 3 times fast) vs. the
R1. Please. Your joking right? Now before i go and say what i will, i'm happy to see this bike
produced. Its an amazing peice of machinery (for a suzuki that is). Seeing a machine born that
can do sub 10sec 1/4 miles and practically 200mph stock is a feat i am ever proud to witness.
It, along with the R1 of course, is a peek into the future of what is to come. The day will come
when these machines will probably look like the bike from the Jap animation flic "Akira", and will
have performance that will make indy and formula 1 cars look hilarious. Face it, cars are dying,
and the bikes are catching up at a alarming rate and will more then likely surpass the supercar
in performance of all standards. Thing is that i have to ask though, why does it seem that R1
riders seem to be a bit afraid of this bike? I run a Blackbird, am i scared to death of this
machine? NO! Will i be scared of this bike when i get my R1? OH HEEEELL NO! Why is it that the
tone of thinking here seems to be that anyone and everyone who buys a Hyabusa, is magically
going to transform into Migual DuHamel and push that mother to the performance that the
mags hype about?? Motorsucklist and Bi-Cycle World say "Oh the hyabusa can 9.9 sec..this..oh
oragasm..or the Hyabusa can do 200mph this" hey guess what WHO GIVES A SH%T?!?! Unless
your running against this bike on the drag strip or Bonneville speed flats (rare occasion) and the
rider is a vetern who can Really work this machine (an even MORE rare occasion) your not
going to have much to worry about. Why? What happens on the track is one thing, what
happens on the street is another. These bikes are called Streetbikes bacause, they are mostly
rode on the street. Where would the majority of confrontations happen? On the street. And
thats where its mostly always going to happen because not everyone has a track nearby that
they can run full bore at and i don't recall anyone ever living on a track with a toilet and a bike
and a fridge in a trailer DOWN BY THE RIVER! Yes some of the Riders may be 30-40 year old
veterns who can use and respect this machine, but the other vast majority are going to be
squids that are going to run this thing full thrust on the streets. That being said, i think i'll strap
a F-14 Tomcat engine to the back of my Blackbird, so i can spend the last moments of my life
looking like a complete idiot plowing into the back of that buick that was 4 miles ahead of me
5.2 seconds quicker then the Hyabusa rider that will soon follow suit. Better yet, i'll buy a
space shuttle, Cause those are REAL FAST! Lets take a step by step comparison of what WILL
happen when the R1 and HidemyBusa rumble in Track and Real world scenerios.
Straight Line: Top speed is a no brainer. With the Hyabusa having better wind protection then
the R1, it will take the R1 out after 190mph, more then likely, maybe even before that mark.
But the gap may not be so big even if the R1 is stock. And if the R1 is modified with a Pipe and
Jet kit, they'll be matched and more likely the R1 will stay ahead till the 190 mark hits. Thing is,
this is if u can actually find a stretch of road (there out there though)where u don't have
deer,dogs,kids, people, and those big metal things....what are they called...oh yes...CARS AND
TRUCKS to worry about. Unless u can do stoppies at 150mph, if anybody tries doing this on the
street i'll be watching them on America's Dumbest Accidents. SAme thing goes for the 1/4 mile
run. The R1 can do sub 10 sec runs too, half the race is in the hole shot though and the R1 is
Not a Easy bike to do this with. But it can be done. Applying techniques like short shifting, or
fantly pressing on the Rear Brake while launching can aid in this. Mind u though the Hyabusa
rider can hole shot most likely easier and harder if they do this as well. At the strip, it can truly
be any bikes race(rider skill and luck pending), on the street however, its the same thing as
doing top speed runs. They will more then likely be equally quick. Which you can say they are
equal in street scenerios. This category can be called a tie.
Conering. It has been said that the Hyabusa,with its great chassis and positive front end feel,
could possibly take a R1 out on certain road courses. Yea well, i have yet to see that happen.
If the course, has alot of straight lines and mild sweepers in it, that may be possible. But more
then likely, and espeically on more curvy courses, the R1 will destroy this thing PERIOD. This
fight would be like the many fights of the past the 916 had. Yes the more powerful bikes would
catch up in a striaght line, but hit two curves and the 916 would have half a lap on them. The
R1 is lighter, and of course quicker. If anyone thinks this hyabusa's cornering ability is going to
be faster or better then the R1's, please pass me the joint your toking. Your not going to make
a BIG BIKE corner faster then a lighter more agile one. Which is another thing. The R1's
cornering ability has been dubbed better then the 916's. And ,like when the 916 first came out,
its such a highly advanced bike that the true conering ability of this bike has yet to be fully
known. It took a year to get used to the 916 enough to find its limits and it may take longer for
the R1. We have seen nothing yet when it comes to doing lap times on this bike. The other
thing is is size DOES matter here. Thing i learned from my Blackbird is The bigger and heavier
they are, the more brakes and tires they eat when ripping curves. Your sure to have more road
time on your R1 because the Hyabusa rider will be at the shop waiting to get new brakes and
tires every 700 miles if they try Bladerunning this thing in the curves.
Advantage R1.
Braking: The Brakes on the R1 have been dubbed phenominal. Not sure about the Hyabusa's
though. But even if they are close in comparison or not, the R1 will stop quicker then the bus.
Unless King Kong Bundy happens to be riding the R1 that is.
Advantage R1
Looks: I don't even want to entertain this one. You'd have to be as drunk as the Budweiser
Frogs at a Frat party to think the Hyabusa is better looking then the R1. Its not that bad
looking of a bike, but the only way the Spankabusa will look better then the R1 is if Yasmine
Bleeth is handcuffed naked to that bike. And u can bet she'll be crying for a R1 rider to rescue
her.
Advantage: R1
Reliability: This is the MAIN reason i want to keep the Haveadusa section on this forum. Please,
PLEEEEEEASE keep this here. So i can watch to see what impending problems this thing is most
likely to run into. Now that might not happen. It may be a good reliable machine. But its a
suzuki. Yes the R1 had had some problems one being the rear sprocket (long sinced fixed), and
the other being the clutch (mostly worked out). Thing is these have occurred to some people
while to others they have had no problem. Some were bastards, some were saints. That
happens in mass production (as much as it sucks). Which brings me to the Haveabrewski. I
never owned a suzuki, and i don't plan to...Ever most likely. Some people will say they never
had probs with them. Well praise god to you then, because from what i remember they always
had problems. When the Revamped Gsxr-750 first came out, it took the world by storm. It also
took owners to the shop because the head gasket wasn't thick enough and valve clearance
soon became a known problem. The TL1000s would become a Tank-Slapping Nightmare if it hit
two bumps in a rapid succession, The TL1000R had a rear suspension that was too weird and
too soft to deal with, and the fuel injected Gsxr-750's were a sad joke. Fuel injection is
supposed to eliminate dips and add mid-range. Neither happened here. Now comes the
Hyabusa. If history bears meaning,and it usually does, this bike may be the worlds biggest Hand
Grenade for all we know. Yes it may come out as having no problems and being stone cold
reliable. But with suzuki's recall history on newly released models, i wouldn't trust it. In all
fairness, i'll mark this a tie for now.
So there you have it folks. You can easily see that the R1 is a Much better bike then the
BOOMSHAKALAKALAKAdusa. It equals or surpasses this bike in all scenerios. The R1 is the
supreme victor in this battle. And like the former king of curves,the 916, the R1 will be at the
top for quite awhile i think. And its a bike that i hope to soon experience. It'l take some time
though, but its not so bad coming off a Big heavy Blackbird and reading the mail and posts of
R1 riders having fun doing wheelies and 130mph curves and this and that and I HATE YOU
ALL!!...er...sorry...heehee..need my medication. Ah..thats better, but anyways its something i
hope to soon relate to.
cheers..
Diesel
This Post Was Paid For By The Council To Stop Big Ugly Sportbikes With Funny Names.
let's stop arguin amongst ourselves and get down to fighting the real enemy
greg
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YZF-R1 vs. Hayabusa (20 of 31), Read 88 times
Conf:
Boxing Ring
From:
DieselR1 (lastdiesel@aol.com)
Date:
Saturday, May 15, 1999 07:34 AM
Hey all, Diesel here. Sorry i been away for awhile,and yes..i still have yet to get a R1..things
are looking up though. So hopefully before the end of summer, i'll know what the "true hype" is
all about.
Which brings me on the subject of the yabbadabbaduser (try saying that 3 times fast) vs. the
R1. Please. Your joking right? Now before i go and say what i will, i'm happy to see this bike
produced. Its an amazing peice of machinery (for a suzuki that is). Seeing a machine born that
can do sub 10sec 1/4 miles and practically 200mph stock is a feat i am ever proud to witness.
It, along with the R1 of course, is a peek into the future of what is to come. The day will come
when these machines will probably look like the bike from the Jap animation flic "Akira", and will
have performance that will make indy and formula 1 cars look hilarious. Face it, cars are dying,
and the bikes are catching up at a alarming rate and will more then likely surpass the supercar
in performance of all standards. Thing is that i have to ask though, why does it seem that R1
riders seem to be a bit afraid of this bike? I run a Blackbird, am i scared to death of this
machine? NO! Will i be scared of this bike when i get my R1? OH HEEEELL NO! Why is it that the
tone of thinking here seems to be that anyone and everyone who buys a Hyabusa, is magically
going to transform into Migual DuHamel and push that mother to the performance that the
mags hype about?? Motorsucklist and Bi-Cycle World say "Oh the hyabusa can 9.9 sec..this..oh
oragasm..or the Hyabusa can do 200mph this" hey guess what WHO GIVES A SH%T?!?! Unless
your running against this bike on the drag strip or Bonneville speed flats (rare occasion) and the
rider is a vetern who can Really work this machine (an even MORE rare occasion) your not
going to have much to worry about. Why? What happens on the track is one thing, what
happens on the street is another. These bikes are called Streetbikes bacause, they are mostly
rode on the street. Where would the majority of confrontations happen? On the street. And
thats where its mostly always going to happen because not everyone has a track nearby that
they can run full bore at and i don't recall anyone ever living on a track with a toilet and a bike
and a fridge in a trailer DOWN BY THE RIVER! Yes some of the Riders may be 30-40 year old
veterns who can use and respect this machine, but the other vast majority are going to be
squids that are going to run this thing full thrust on the streets. That being said, i think i'll strap
a F-14 Tomcat engine to the back of my Blackbird, so i can spend the last moments of my life
looking like a complete idiot plowing into the back of that buick that was 4 miles ahead of me
5.2 seconds quicker then the Hyabusa rider that will soon follow suit. Better yet, i'll buy a
space shuttle, Cause those are REAL FAST! Lets take a step by step comparison of what WILL
happen when the R1 and HidemyBusa rumble in Track and Real world scenerios.
Straight Line: Top speed is a no brainer. With the Hyabusa having better wind protection then
the R1, it will take the R1 out after 190mph, more then likely, maybe even before that mark.
But the gap may not be so big even if the R1 is stock. And if the R1 is modified with a Pipe and
Jet kit, they'll be matched and more likely the R1 will stay ahead till the 190 mark hits. Thing is,
this is if u can actually find a stretch of road (there out there though)where u don't have
deer,dogs,kids, people, and those big metal things....what are they called...oh yes...CARS AND
TRUCKS to worry about. Unless u can do stoppies at 150mph, if anybody tries doing this on the
street i'll be watching them on America's Dumbest Accidents. SAme thing goes for the 1/4 mile
run. The R1 can do sub 10 sec runs too, half the race is in the hole shot though and the R1 is
Not a Easy bike to do this with. But it can be done. Applying techniques like short shifting, or
fantly pressing on the Rear Brake while launching can aid in this. Mind u though the Hyabusa
rider can hole shot most likely easier and harder if they do this as well. At the strip, it can truly
be any bikes race(rider skill and luck pending), on the street however, its the same thing as
doing top speed runs. They will more then likely be equally quick. Which you can say they are
equal in street scenerios. This category can be called a tie.
Conering. It has been said that the Hyabusa,with its great chassis and positive front end feel,
could possibly take a R1 out on certain road courses. Yea well, i have yet to see that happen.
If the course, has alot of straight lines and mild sweepers in it, that may be possible. But more
then likely, and espeically on more curvy courses, the R1 will destroy this thing PERIOD. This
fight would be like the many fights of the past the 916 had. Yes the more powerful bikes would
catch up in a striaght line, but hit two curves and the 916 would have half a lap on them. The
R1 is lighter, and of course quicker. If anyone thinks this hyabusa's cornering ability is going to
be faster or better then the R1's, please pass me the joint your toking. Your not going to make
a BIG BIKE corner faster then a lighter more agile one. Which is another thing. The R1's
cornering ability has been dubbed better then the 916's. And ,like when the 916 first came out,
its such a highly advanced bike that the true conering ability of this bike has yet to be fully
known. It took a year to get used to the 916 enough to find its limits and it may take longer for
the R1. We have seen nothing yet when it comes to doing lap times on this bike. The other
thing is is size DOES matter here. Thing i learned from my Blackbird is The bigger and heavier
they are, the more brakes and tires they eat when ripping curves. Your sure to have more road
time on your R1 because the Hyabusa rider will be at the shop waiting to get new brakes and
tires every 700 miles if they try Bladerunning this thing in the curves.
Advantage R1.
Braking: The Brakes on the R1 have been dubbed phenominal. Not sure about the Hyabusa's
though. But even if they are close in comparison or not, the R1 will stop quicker then the bus.
Unless King Kong Bundy happens to be riding the R1 that is.
Advantage R1
Looks: I don't even want to entertain this one. You'd have to be as drunk as the Budweiser
Frogs at a Frat party to think the Hyabusa is better looking then the R1. Its not that bad
looking of a bike, but the only way the Spankabusa will look better then the R1 is if Yasmine
Bleeth is handcuffed naked to that bike. And u can bet she'll be crying for a R1 rider to rescue
her.
Advantage: R1
Reliability: This is the MAIN reason i want to keep the Haveadusa section on this forum. Please,
PLEEEEEEASE keep this here. So i can watch to see what impending problems this thing is most
likely to run into. Now that might not happen. It may be a good reliable machine. But its a
suzuki. Yes the R1 had had some problems one being the rear sprocket (long sinced fixed), and
the other being the clutch (mostly worked out). Thing is these have occurred to some people
while to others they have had no problem. Some were bastards, some were saints. That
happens in mass production (as much as it sucks). Which brings me to the Haveabrewski. I
never owned a suzuki, and i don't plan to...Ever most likely. Some people will say they never
had probs with them. Well praise god to you then, because from what i remember they always
had problems. When the Revamped Gsxr-750 first came out, it took the world by storm. It also
took owners to the shop because the head gasket wasn't thick enough and valve clearance
soon became a known problem. The TL1000s would become a Tank-Slapping Nightmare if it hit
two bumps in a rapid succession, The TL1000R had a rear suspension that was too weird and
too soft to deal with, and the fuel injected Gsxr-750's were a sad joke. Fuel injection is
supposed to eliminate dips and add mid-range. Neither happened here. Now comes the
Hyabusa. If history bears meaning,and it usually does, this bike may be the worlds biggest Hand
Grenade for all we know. Yes it may come out as having no problems and being stone cold
reliable. But with suzuki's recall history on newly released models, i wouldn't trust it. In all
fairness, i'll mark this a tie for now.
So there you have it folks. You can easily see that the R1 is a Much better bike then the
BOOMSHAKALAKALAKAdusa. It equals or surpasses this bike in all scenerios. The R1 is the
supreme victor in this battle. And like the former king of curves,the 916, the R1 will be at the
top for quite awhile i think. And its a bike that i hope to soon experience. It'l take some time
though, but its not so bad coming off a Big heavy Blackbird and reading the mail and posts of
R1 riders having fun doing wheelies and 130mph curves and this and that and I HATE YOU
ALL!!...er...sorry...heehee..need my medication. Ah..thats better, but anyways its something i
hope to soon relate to.
cheers..
Diesel
This Post Was Paid For By The Council To Stop Big Ugly Sportbikes With Funny Names.