Hayabusa's Losing The Competition Against Newer Liter Bikes?

captain said:
I used to say the same thing... I have literally ridden halfway across the country with luggage, pulled the racks off and put the solo cap on and ridden mountain roads. I've ridden to the dragstrip and beat other bikes, trailered to the track on a Sat gone home on Sun and was back on riding to work after changing tires and pulling some tape off my plastics.

All the time I had cruise control, bike to bike radios, XM, my favorite tunes and all the other comforts of home.

As an R1 or Beemer 1k guy how they felt after a 7000 mile road trip :)

Cap
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Wow. :bowdown: 7,000 miles?! That sounds awesome! Can't wait to do a long trip like that (or something that's at least several hundred miles) whenever I get mine :thumbsup:
 
Always liked that it fit in our hot rod mini van ~ that has been used to rescue a few of my friends bikes . . .

Hayabusa Safari van.jpg
 
peregrinerider said:
Good point. Liter bikes only seem to serve one purpose...and that's on a windy track or drag strip. Yeah I really hope they don't try to reduce the weight too much for the Gen III...because that seems to be the latest trend for liter bikes. I mean, look at the new Cbr1000...it looks like a flippin' 600! The Gsx-r 1000 even looks smaller as well. But looks are all subjective. I guess when you've been shopping, sitting, and looking at hayabusas anything will look like a scooter compared to it :laugh:
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Yup, I've had GSXR1100 slabsides, GSXR1100M, GSXR1000K6, I now own a 99 Hayabusa and I will stick with the Busa. So much room and so comfy to ride after the cramped riding positions of the othe bikes I've had and oodles of torque! That's what I really love about the Bus, it out weighs the extra weight and slower handling IMHO.
 
peregrinerider said:
. . . the Gen II Hayabusa made approximately and currently makes a staggering 197 hp and 114.3 lb/ft or torque. . . .Suzuki's 2017 GSX-R 1000 is already making more horsepower than the current hayabusa at 199 brake horsepower. That being said, it still does not have as much torque (87 ft/lbs). Kawasaki's 2016 ZX-10r is at 197hp and 83.7 torque. The 2017 Yamaha R1 200hp and Honda's 2017 fireblade 189 horsepower. Is it just me or are these new liter bikes getting INSANE? . . .
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To set the record straight, your hp and torque numbers are not right, obviously gleamed from some cycle magazine. At the wheel a stock Gen 2 Busa does not make 197, knock about 20 off of that and you would be correct. Same goes with liter bikes. A 2017 Yamaha R1 will make 180 to 182 rear wheel with an aftermarket exhaust, ecu flash and a good custom dyno map through a PCV. That same bike stock makes mid 170 rear, and FYI, a new CBR1000rr wouldn't make 189 if you pushed it off a cliff.

I have dynoed and tuned all of these bikes, I know what they make. I have a 2002 Gen 1 with stock pistons, mild cams and my own hand ported head. On 87 octane fuel it makes 198 and 112 rear all day. Had a little tryst with a BMW S1000rr a few weeks back, he passed me and I didn't recognize the bike until we got into it. We were both neck and neck when I accidentally ran into my rev limiter, where he got me. I slowed down, he did too . . . saw what it was, and it had an Akrapovic on it. Even tuned, I knew his bike was probably good for about 185 rear, if that. Downshift, downshift, downshift . . . get even at about 40 to 50 miles an hour and jump on it, watching my tach this time. I could see him in my mirror the whole time, at least three bikes back. I had more horse, but more weight . . . so I used torque to put him away. Remember that once you get out on a bike by a few lengths, it is really hard to reel your opponent in. That is when a turbo comes in handy!

So don't count the old girl out. The Busa, both Gens, is still a formidable opponent in many arenas. You can buy a Gen 1 for less than 5K and build a bike that will beat any liter bike out there.
 
Met a guy today at work just bought a clean unmolested 2000 gen 1 for 4000 with 16,xxx miles.
Stock exhaust . Lots of room for mods . Winner was new tires the fluids were fresh and brake/clutch fluids didn't look like dark coffee .
 
The hayabusa is a legend. The Mods are endless. While their are faster bikes off the showroom floor, the hayabusa is the best to be modded. The,zx14, 1000rr, zx10, H2, are some powerful bikes. But go to any dragstrip in America and see what setting world records. Yeap, you guessed it. The BUSA. LOL
 
Hp is one thing, but torque is just as important. The Busa is not a track ciruit bike for anyone looking at those abilities.

But here is MCN's opinion about the top 2017 liter bikes, in the link below. Forward to 27 minutes. The Hayabusa did better 0-60 and 1/4 mile times stock than any of these almost 20 years ago.

 
I follow my dyno tuner online and he posts Make + Model +Year + Mods + Numbers when the owner allows it. (Some of them race and don't want to give up secrets.) I'd have to say, the liter bikes have hit the ground running recently. But when you get into the discussion of "better" by itself, there's no context since that's a really broad term. So in this sense of "losing to the competition," it still doesn't have well defined walls. (I'm not picking a fight on splitting hairs, but just going with the established criteria.) Better dyno numbers? Better 0 - 60? Better MPG? Better all-around bike? Better around a track? Better comfort? Better 1/4 mile? Better top speed? More fun? Better reliability? While I agree with some of what's said here, I think that the gap has closed somewhat, but not completely. And NOT by a large margin. All things considered, I bought a Busa for a reason, as we all did. I love it when the stranger points at my bike to his friend longer than the 600 sitting next to it. I love it when people ask to sit on it and are surprised by the comfort. I love it when I have a chance to pass/haul***, tell my passenger to hold on and gun it in 2nd. And boy, I wouldn't change that for anything else.
 
POWERHOUSE said:
To set the record straight, your hp and torque numbers are not right, obviously gleamed from some cycle magazine. At the wheel a stock Gen 2 Busa does not make 197, knock about 20 off of that and you would be correct. Same goes with liter bikes. A 2017 Yamaha R1 will make 180 to 182 rear wheel with an aftermarket exhaust, ecu flash and a good custom dyno map through a PCV. That same bike stock makes mid 170 rear, and FYI, a new CBR1000rr wouldn't make 189 if you pushed it off a cliff.

I have dynoed and tuned all of these bikes, I know what they make. I have a 2002 Gen 1 with stock pistons, mild cams and my own hand ported head. On 87 octane fuel it makes 198 and 112 rear all day. Had a little tryst with a BMW S1000rr a few weeks back, he passed me and I didn't recognize the bike until we got into it. We were both neck and neck when I accidentally ran into my rev limiter, where he got me. I slowed down, he did too . . . saw what it was, and it had an Akrapovic on it. Even tuned, I knew his bike was probably good for about 185 rear, if that. Downshift, downshift, downshift . . . get even at about 40 to 50 miles an hour and jump on it, watching my tach this time. I could see him in my mirror the whole time, at least three bikes back. I had more horse, but more weight . . . so I used torque to put him away. Remember that once you get out on a bike by a few lengths, it is really hard to reel your opponent in. That is when a turbo comes in handy!

So don't count the old girl out. The Busa, both Gens, is still a formidable opponent in many arenas. You can buy a Gen 1 for less than 5K and build a bike that will beat any liter bike out there.
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You are correct; However, I should have been more clear. The numbers I am referring to are crank horsepower and torque--definitely not at the wheels! As that would explain why all of the numbers in my post look so high but yes, you will "lose" that advertised power through a dyno since that would reveal the actual rear-wheel power as you know! My apologies.
 
jellyrug said:
Hp is one thing, but torque is just as important. The Busa is not a track ciruit bike for anyone looking at those abilities.

But here is MCN's opinion about the top 2017 liter bikes, in the link below. Forward to 27 minutes. The Hayabusa did better 0-60 and 1/4 mile times stock than any of these almost 20 years ago.

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Wow!!! That is certainly impressive. I don't understand all the hate for the 'busa...I mean, I used to not care for it years ago but it has really grown on me to want to buy one--and buy one soon! This was the video I was looking for, thanks OP!
 
For me, there is no competition. You have “the busa” and then the rest. I know I sound like a fanatic, but I’m not. Lol! I enjoy bikes and actually have had the most fun ever riding my little dr650 with less than 30 hp. I also had a 600 and, after a year, could not take the uncomfortable riding position and engine vibration at higher speeds. I remember trading it in, jumping on my new busa to ride back home and being amazed at the “Cadillac feel” and even more amazed when I looked down and saw triple digits. I fell in love even more after that 45min. Ride home.
 
RSXtypeS said:
The Hayabusa is a legend .

The Modifications are endless .

While their are faster bikes off the showroom floor,
the Hayabusa is the best to be modded .

The, z x 14, s 1000 r r, z x 10, H 2,
are some powerful bikes .

But go to any drag strip in America
and see what setting world records .

Yup, you guessed it .

The HAYABUSA .

LOL
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The Hayabusa is the most modified motorcycle from Japan ~ the only bikes that are modified more is our domestics . . .

 
I have waited long enough for Suzuki to nut up and put some R and D into placing this bike back on the top where it used to. Especially now that everyones comparing it to the H2 which is assenine to me. Naturally aspirated VS supercharged? Da fuq outta here. So this winter when I'm not riding Im taking care of the issue myself.

Not to sound like a power ranger but "It's turbo time!"

I love my 15 anyways! Lol
 
busa_boy_69 said:
I have waited long enough for Suzuki to nut up and put some R and D into placing this bike back on the top where it used to. Especially now that everyones comparing it to the H2 which is assenine to me. Naturally aspirated VS supercharged? Da fuq outta here. So this winter when I'm not riding Im taking care of the issue myself.

Not to sound like a power ranger but "It's turbo time!"

I love my 15 anyways! Lol
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Couldn't agree anymore!!! And you know what: It's funny how so many people think the H2 is the god of all motorcycles and yes it is fast, lightweight, supercharged...expensive (well it is :rolleyes:); However, I think the main reason people fall head over heels for it is because it is the first motorcycle from a big manufacturer to have forced induction that I know of...or at least most popular. Even if it were Yamaha instead of the H2 to come out with a procharged R1 or even Honda's fireblade, anyone would go crazy. What the H2 doesn't have that the 'busa has is displacement. Which from what I know, the 'busa should be able to handle MUCH MORE boost from a F/I setup and produce much more power out of a stock engine without blowing the crankcase off. BTW--I am not hating on the H2, just stating the facts based on what I know.

Check this out:

 
The H2 is not the first. Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Honda built production turbo bikes in the early eighties, however, they were mild compared to the Kawasaki H2, which is a hand grenade . . . riding and racing a well built and well tuned turbo Busa is like riding a rocket sled. It will pull your eyes back and make your socks go up and down at the same time. Not only that - they are reliable. We have plenty of 500+ rwhp bikes out there that have been out there for well over five years with no issues. Several are land speed bikes, some drag raced all the time. One thing for sure, they are not babied, and they hold up.:banana:
 
POWERHOUSE said:
The H2 is not the first. Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Honda built production turbo bikes in the early eighties, however, they were mild compared to the Kawasaki H2, which is a hand grenade . . . riding and racing a well built and well tuned turbo Busa is like riding a rocket sled. It will pull your eyes back and make your socks go up and down at the same time. Not only that - they are reliable. We have plenty of 500+ rwhp bikes out there that have been out there for well over five years with no issues. Several are land speed bikes, some drag raced all the time. One thing for sure, they are not babied, and they hold up.:banana:
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I stand corrected!!! 500WHP?! Jeez...that's ridiculous ! That's more than my car haha. Yeah one thing I noticed about h2 owners is that it seems like many of them treat it like a unicorn as if they don't want to ride it that much or "get down and gritty" with it if you will. +1 about reliability for hayabusas though! ☺
 
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