hi I try to bind to busa engine can you recommend way of combine?

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hi I try to bind to busa engine can you recommend way of combine?

Hi..

I will join two engine with big 3 gears like "oOo" small circle is hayabusa's engine large one is shaft to main engine...

Is this can hold high rpm like 11000 rpm?

I don't think about making one crank shaft and new case ETC..

thank you for your advice in advance :)
 
so you want to make 2 four cylinder busa motors into a v8

Hartley Enterprises was designing and building these engines, bu sold all the rights away to the design. The buyer is suppose to be doing further development but nothing yet. Hartley is doing a few for the US customers...

What are you trying to do? there may be another avenue...
 
so you want to make 2 four cylinder busa motors into a v8

Hartley Enterprises was designing and building these engines, bu sold all the rights away to the design. The buyer is suppose to be doing further development but nothing yet. Hartley is doing a few for the US customers...

What are you trying to do? there may be another avenue...


here is some pricing with new advancement



H1 - V8 normally aspirated engine prices and specifications
2800cc: 400hp, 220ft/lbs. 2900cc: 450hp, 240ft/lbs. 3000cc: 500hp, 260ft/lbs.
H1 2800cc (67mm stroke x 81mm bore) Engine: 400hp 220ft/lbs torque
Suzuki required top end engine parts as below:-
• Gen 1 (>08) Cylinder head complete with valves, springs, valve buckets, shims, etc
• Cylinder barrel
• Throttle bodies inc injectors
• Cam cover, seals, inlet rubbers, gaskets, clamps, etc
• Ignition coils Total £7,000.00

Bottom end , dry sumped, with all performance parts as detailed below:-
• 6061-T6 Billet crankcase, dry sump, front cover and rear cover
• 60 amp mini race alternator
• Flywheel for 5.5" or 7" clutch and starter
• 40mm billet velocity stacks, adapter seals and valve cover nameplate
• 67mm 4340 billet and nitrided crank with 42mm journals
• Carrillo Custom H beam connecting rods
• kent Cams adjustable cam sprockets.
• Cylinder base shim plate with O-ring seals
• Camshaft and cranshaft sensors
• Heavy duty 12mm cylinder studs
• Cam chain, crank drive sprocket, side chain guides.
• Custom rear engne plate to match customer bellhousing.
• Billet sump with scavenge filters.
• Dailey 4 stage scavenge dry sump pump and fittings. Total £13,000.00
Engine labour
• Complete engine labour to fully build Total £900.00
Parts and Labour Total £20,900.00


Uprated engine performance packages
H1 2900cc (67mm stroke x 83mm bore) Engine: 450hp 240ft/lbs torque
As above but fitted with additonal parts lsted below:
• Kent Camshafts £400.00
• Millenium Technologies bored and nicasil plated cylinder £800.00
• Set 83mm CP custom pistons £900.00
Total £2,100.00

H1 3000cc (67mm stroke x 84mm bore) Engine: 500hp 260ft/lbs torque
As above but fitted with additonal parts lsted below:
• Kent Camshafts £400.00
• Millenium Technologies bored and nicasil plated cylinder £900.00
• Set 84mm CP custom pistons £900.00
Total £2,200.00


Engine Management
Motec engine management
M84 ECU 13084 (lambda enabled standard) £1,450.00
Quad Channel Ignition Amplifier (dual connector) 41204 £170.00
3 bar MAP sensor £80.00
UTC to CAN (pc connection) 61059 £160.00
wiring harness £500.00
total £2,360.00

Advanced Functions 27104 (upgrade for traction control, flatshift, etc) £290.00
Twin lambda upgrade £160.00


Dash Options
Motec CDL3 £1,300.00
Motec SDL3 £1,650.00
Motec ADL3 £3,950.00
AIM MXL Strads £850.00
AIM MXL Pista £1,400.00
Dyno and Engine Testing
Bench test, run in and base map inc fuel, oil, consumables £150.00
Engine dyno test and fully map ecu, inc fuel, oil, consumables £400.00

All prices exclude VAT
 
GoldenChild said:
so you want to make 2 four cylinder busa motors into a v8

Hartley Enterprises was designing and building these engines, bu sold all the rights away to the design. The buyer is suppose to be doing further development but nothing yet. Hartley is doing a few for the US customers...

What are you trying to do? there may be another avenue...
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I believe he wants to make helicopter fly. ya have to admit I would feel safer in a helicopter powered by a busa engine then a Harley engine.
 
lankeeyankee said:
I believe he wants to make helicopter fly. ya have to admit I would feel safer in a helicopter powered by a busa engine then a Harley engine.
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Wow DId I post on this site about helicopter stuff??? wow...

I need my original one and hatley is too expensive ...

If I make good prototype I must sujest to suzuki as business partner..

My aim is piston helicopter about 800 hp or more over
 
GoldenChild said:
so you want to make 2 four cylinder busa motors into a v8

Hartley Enterprises was designing and building these engines, bu sold all the rights away to the design. The buyer is suppose to be doing further development but nothing yet. Hartley is doing a few for the US customers...

What are you trying to do? there may be another avenue...


here is some pricing with new advancement



H1 - V8 normally aspirated engine prices and specifications
2800cc: 400hp, 220ft/lbs. 2900cc: 450hp, 240ft/lbs. 3000cc: 500hp, 260ft/lbs.
H1 2800cc (67mm stroke x 81mm bore) Engine: 400hp 220ft/lbs torque
Suzuki required top end engine parts as below:-
• Gen 1 (>08) Cylinder head complete with valves, springs, valve buckets, shims, etc
• Cylinder barrel
• Throttle bodies inc injectors
• Cam cover, seals, inlet rubbers, gaskets, clamps, etc
• Ignition coils Total £7,000.00

Bottom end , dry sumped, with all performance parts as detailed below:-
• 6061-T6 Billet crankcase, dry sump, front cover and rear cover
• 60 amp mini race alternator
• Flywheel for 5.5" or 7" clutch and starter
• 40mm billet velocity stacks, adapter seals and valve cover nameplate
• 67mm 4340 billet and nitrided crank with 42mm journals
• Carrillo Custom H beam connecting rods
• kent Cams adjustable cam sprockets.
• Cylinder base shim plate with O-ring seals
• Camshaft and cranshaft sensors
• Heavy duty 12mm cylinder studs
• Cam chain, crank drive sprocket, side chain guides.
• Custom rear engne plate to match customer bellhousing.
• Billet sump with scavenge filters.
• Dailey 4 stage scavenge dry sump pump and fittings. Total £13,000.00
Engine labour
• Complete engine labour to fully build Total £900.00
Parts and Labour Total £20,900.00


Uprated engine performance packages
H1 2900cc (67mm stroke x 83mm bore) Engine: 450hp 240ft/lbs torque
As above but fitted with additonal parts lsted below:
• Kent Camshafts £400.00
• Millenium Technologies bored and nicasil plated cylinder £800.00
• Set 83mm CP custom pistons £900.00
Total £2,100.00

H1 3000cc (67mm stroke x 84mm bore) Engine: 500hp 260ft/lbs torque
As above but fitted with additonal parts lsted below:
• Kent Camshafts £400.00
• Millenium Technologies bored and nicasil plated cylinder £900.00
• Set 84mm CP custom pistons £900.00
Total £2,200.00


Engine Management
Motec engine management
M84 ECU 13084 (lambda enabled standard) £1,450.00
Quad Channel Ignition Amplifier (dual connector) 41204 £170.00
3 bar MAP sensor £80.00
UTC to CAN (pc connection) 61059 £160.00
wiring harness £500.00
total £2,360.00

Advanced Functions 27104 (upgrade for traction control, flatshift, etc) £290.00
Twin lambda upgrade £160.00


Dash Options
Motec CDL3 £1,300.00
Motec SDL3 £1,650.00
Motec ADL3 £3,950.00
AIM MXL Strads £850.00
AIM MXL Pista £1,400.00
Dyno and Engine Testing
Bench test, run in and base map inc fuel, oil, consumables £150.00
Engine dyno test and fully map ecu, inc fuel, oil, consumables £400.00

All prices exclude VAT
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Thank you for hatley ..

but I already know about them.. I need my original one...first geared combination is my first protype and for study engines...

It's extreme one... very light and very powerfull... I will one busa engine's at 1300 rpm running test and combined busa engines running test two :)
 
cool,that would be wild to see..


KoreanPooh said:
Wow DId I post on this site about helicopter stuff??? wow...

I need my original one and hatley is too expensive ...

If I make good prototype I must sujest to suzuki as business partner..

My aim is piston helicopter about 800 hp or more over
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Don't you need the crankshafts to be vertical to power a helicopter? If so, you are going to have to reengineer the oiling system.
 
He first has to figure out how to get two turbo Busa engines together as he's gonna need them to get 800hp.
Then running turbo engines full throttle constant to keep it in the air ill watch happen from the ground. :laugh:


And the reason we are not using an engine designed for a HELICOPTER engine is?
 
He can use a constant gear type planetary drive to turn the prop... He is gonna have to be thinking out the box. I'll help you anyway you like, except as a test pilot..
 
turbine powered would be simpler, lighter, more compact, and probably cheaper.
 
Seems it would be easier to use some sort of belt drive to connect the 2 engines to a transaxle of some sort that rotates power 90 degrees to turn the props. I was thinking belts because 2 independant engines hard linked with gears are going to really vibrate. Better to lose some power in the belts than have all that vibration tearing things apart.


You could maybe have a throttle on one engine and then have the other engine match rpm with a servo operated throttle (sort of like a cruise control keys on the rpm). That might keep them synced up better. If you can use a single blower to both engines, that would save some weight too.

Interesting project - good luck!
 
Blanca Busa said:
He first has to figure out how to get two turbo Busa engines together as he's gonna need them to get 800hp.
Then running turbo engines full throttle constant to keep it in the air ill watch happen from the ground. :laugh:


And the reason we are not using an engine designed for a HELICOPTER engine is?
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Oh 800 hp must achieve by two V8 or V12 busa engine ..not one turboed busa... turbo required for high altitude and It must designed for 50-70% throtle area..not 100% :)
 
m_ridgeway said:
What about the ariel v8? It was designed by hartley using the busa engine
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Oh I already said I need my own engine... I think about sell it and use to my car and helicopter... helicopter is far from now but..

I can test engine for car at last of this year.. now I planning now :) and I definitly need suzuki's permission and support
 
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