You ain't kiddin'... Ridin' weather year round and an 8 mile bridge to tickle the rev (no pun intended) limiter on would be SWEET!
High speed runs...
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Was lookin' for a lighter, more nimble bike than the busa and 12R.
OK Let me make it sting a little more...You ain't kiddin'... Ridin' weather year round and an 8 mile bridge to tickle the rev (no pun intended) limiter on would be SWEET!
It's 8 miles of Offset (Westbound about 15' higher than the East Bound) bridge. Meaning it's impossible to really see what is going on from the opposite direction. The two directions are also individual spans, no way to get from on eto the other... Oh and Arrow straight and smooth...
BTW, there is also a 6 mile "Undivided", a 12 mile divided Interstate, NO ON or OFF ramps etc. and lastly a 10 mile stretch that has no cross traffic but some side traffic... also divided... He he he... Lot's of Southern style Ass Haulin can be done... Just have to watch out for the LEO's right?
BUT Two of the bridges are on approach to Tampa International and St. Pete International Airports, meaning they are NO FLY Zones, so no Airborn Polizia...
Yeah, rub it in... And prolly lots of "curves" like this around, too?OK Let me make it sting a little more...You ain't kiddin'... Ridin' weather year round and an 8 mile bridge to tickle the rev (no pun intended) limiter on would be SWEET!
It's 8 miles of Offset (Westbound about 15' higher than the East Bound) bridge. Meaning it's impossible to really see what is going on from the opposite direction. The two directions are also individual spans, no way to get from on eto the other... Oh and Arrow straight and smooth...
BTW, there is also a 6 mile "Undivided", a 12 mile divided Interstate, NO ON or OFF ramps etc. and lastly a 10 mile stretch that has no cross traffic but some side traffic... also divided... He he he... Lot's of Southern style Ass Haulin can be done... Just have to watch out for the LEO's right?
BUT Two of the bridges are on approach to Tampa International and St. Pete International Airports, meaning they are NO FLY Zones, so no Airborn Polizia...Though they aren't exactly secluded nor a mystery, so you gotta pick and choose your times... Vroom Vroom....
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"99% of the folks out there, have NEVER ACTUALLY TOPPED OUT"Well... I mean if we are going to get serious about this then lets just say it. TOP SPEED MEANS bobo! YEAH I SAID IT!!!You can't ride triple digits for long in the US so WTF.I had the opportunity to put 150 miles on a ZX-10 and I want one.Don't get me wrong I will try to keep my BUSA and add a 10 to my stable.
The bike has balls and handles like a charm.I was very impressed,it is no BUSA but has great potential.I will definatly install a steering damper on it.It was stable at the triple digits speeds.
Overall its a great bike.The BUSA is my first Suzuki and I love her but I still want a ZX-10.Brings me back to my earlier days of riding when the only thing I would ride was a Kawi ZX-6,
ZX-10R and ZX-11.These days almost every manufacturer produces great machines like my Yamaha FJR, I did find the R1 a little crampy . The choices are difficult but .Anyway to make a long story long BT enjoy your 10 your making it hard for me to stay out of the dealerships.
IT's POINTLESS when we are talking about the streets. I am willing to bet that about 99% of the folks out there, have NEVER ACTUALLY TOPPED OUT their Bikes EVER, TURBO OR NOT.
Now MAXTON? That fuggin takes skill, Top speed within a mile... But running up to top speed on a long straight away? Whoopee!!! Who gives a shid, No talent required, no special skill, just twist it and tuck... Fug me, it's really dead fuggin simple. Hell 8 mile bridge, it's a matter of tuck and twist... and Wait, till she farts, then repeat... Nice rush? Sure... Skill?No... None required...
So I'm with Jetset... Who gives a fug about top speed. It's kinda pointless.... Acceleration and Cornering prowess is what it is really all about...
very good point!!! and that goes for more power/speed upgrades too imo. that's why i don't waste money on mods, turbos, big bore kits, etc. unless a person race for a living or goes to the tracks a lot, it "means bobo" on the streets. i do have friends that modded their cars and bikes so i have no issue with people spending their hard earn money on what ever makes them happy but no thanks for me because 99.9% of the time, i can't even use all of the busa's bone stock power.
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Sounds like fun BT and I must say I envy you. I wouldn't have thought that bike would be more comfy though. I learned something new. I attached a pic of the 05 zx12r and all I can say is ggggggggggrrrrrrrrr. I've always been a fan of black, which is why I love your black devil....hmhmhn black angel. Also why my fav Busa is the 02 LE. Keep a ridin er BT and glad you're enjoyin. Be blessed.
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Bullet Train, I'm breathless!
You are a genius!
I've been building engines for thirty years and up until you straightened me out, I was confused about the relationship between Horse power and Torque!
With your theory, I suppose a big block chevy which puts out 500 Hp would not pull any harder than a small block putting out 500 Hp?
I suppose I'm never to old to learn something new?
And for those of you out there who really don't know the relationship between HP and Torque?
The simple definition is:
Torque is what does the work!
Horse Power is how fast the work is done!
You are a genius!
I've been building engines for thirty years and up until you straightened me out, I was confused about the relationship between Horse power and Torque!
With your theory, I suppose a big block chevy which puts out 500 Hp would not pull any harder than a small block putting out 500 Hp?
I suppose I'm never to old to learn something new?
And for those of you out there who really don't know the relationship between HP and Torque?
The simple definition is:
Torque is what does the work!
Horse Power is how fast the work is done!
I could quite literally be on a gorgeous black ZX-12r tomorrow; there's one up in Portland, calling out to me like a siren song...
But I'm ever so desperately trying to wait to see what the '05 LE will be.
I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can...
Steve
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But I'm ever so desperately trying to wait to see what the '05 LE will be.
I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can...
Steve
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All other factors being equal the big block will arrive at its top speed more quickly, but it won't have a higher top speed - again, all other factors being equal.
Steve
I've just never been able to get into the 12R... It's styling is just lacking compared to the busa, especially in the tail section and seat cowl. Never rode one so I don't know how that would work out but I know the 12 wasn't as comfortable for me as the busa was when I was lookin' at bikes before I bought Train.
That black '05 looks pretty dern sweet though. I'll never understand why they dropped black as a color option on the '05 10R... Seems it was their best seller for '04, at least in the southeast. The one I got was the ONLY one my dealer could find on the locator in the whole southeast. EVERY dealer he called asked how many greens and blues he wanted. Most also had an orange or two. No black ones to be found other than mine... and they drop that color for the next year? What kind of marketing sense does that make kawi?
I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning...
And what Aughtsix said... All other things being absolutely equal, they'd both have the same top speed. However, as I'm sure most would agree, the big block should inherently have more torque and yes, it should "pull harder" as you put it, therefore it would make it to top speed sooner than the small block would but it would not be any faster on top end... WITH ALL ELSE BEING ABSOLUTELY EQUAL.
As for your time in the business, I ain't sayin' this is the case with you because I don't know your abilities, but all "time in" on a job means is that a person has got paid to do it for that long. Doesn't mean they had it right. I know cops who have "done it wrong" for at least that many years. Their time in doesn't make them "right"...
Oh, and it ain't MY theory, it's THE theory...
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Bullet Trian, you are a piece of work. The more you rattle the deeper you dig that hole.
If you will come to my class on Tuesday or Thursday evenings where I teach Mechanics II, I'll be happy to give you some private tutoring on this very subject. I get guys like you in every class, usually young, talk better than they listen and always know more than the instructor.
I'm sure you'll be happy to share with rest of the board the author of the book "The Theory" where you get your information.
Enough Said!
If you will come to my class on Tuesday or Thursday evenings where I teach Mechanics II, I'll be happy to give you some private tutoring on this very subject. I get guys like you in every class, usually young, talk better than they listen and always know more than the instructor.
I'm sure you'll be happy to share with rest of the board the author of the book "The Theory" where you get your information.
Enough Said!
Ok smart guy, how about this? How about instead of privately tutorin' me (in a class you KNOW I'll never come to), why don't you explain here in the forum why the top speed of a busa doesn't occur at 7K rpm on the busa used for the dyno chart below? Peak torque occurs there and then declines but I think we can all agree that the busa's road speed increases WELL past that RPM, right? If torque is the determining factor for top speed then why doesn't speed decrease as torque output decreases toward redline?Bullet Trian, you are a piece of work. The more you rattle the deeper you dig that hole.
If you will come to my class on Tuesday or Thursday evenings where I teach Mechanics II, I'll be happy to give you some private tutoring on this very subject. I get guys like you in every class, usually young, talk better than they listen and always know more than the instructor.
I'm sure you'll be happy to share with rest of the board the author of the book "The Theory" where you get your information.
Enough Said!
That's right, it's because of HORSEPOWER. As the article says, horsepower = (Torque X RPM) / 5252. Do you want to argue that given point? With that established (industry wide as far as I know?
Maybe you'd like to share with us a book that shows how torque, with disregard to horsepower, determines top speed?
Here's the dyno chart. Explain away smart guy...
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Relsek
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If you guys need long strait roads, bring the bike to Fla. I rode one day down to Lake Okechobee Paul "ride or fish" and he took me down a road with almost no traffice where you can peg the speedo and keep it that way for miles. It was fun.Cool BT ... glad you're having mad fun on the 10R ... that is very interesting news about no need for the TRE ... now I'm wondering if that also applies to the 12R and maybe the Zuk models for '04 as well ?? Congrats on that 172 indicated ... I'm still stuck at 160 ... I've gotta find a longer straightaway or more 'intestinal fortitude'
BulletTrain, I'm sorry buddy! It doesn't appear I can make it simple enough for you to understand? Whatever "The Theory" is to you is all that matters and whomever the author is, I'm sure he is a dear friend of yours. Have a great day and if I offended you, my appologies!
I'm all done with this subject but thanks for the entertainment
I'm all done with this subject but thanks for the entertainment
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Did I stumble on a gay porn site by mistake? All I see are cocks being waived about.
First, everyone take a step back, and lets not get personal over the impersonal facts about the relationship of torque to HP.
It is commonly held that torque gives you acceleration, but HP gives you speed. Since HP is just a ratio derived from torque, that statement may or may not wash with you. Ultimately, it's torque that gives you the ability to move your car. A flat torque curve will give you consistent acceleration. A broad torque curve will allow you to accelerate constantly over a wide RPM range. Remember, torque is [rotational] force, and force gives acceleration, which leads to speed.
In order for a car (or bike) to move, force must be applied sufficient to offset frictional losses incurred while moving at whatever speed it is going. So enough force must be applied to the crank, multiplied by the gear ratios and expressed through the wheels, to overcome whatever frictional forces exist. Torque is force. Torque must be applied to the drivetrain, and this is what keeps you at whatever speed you are going. If you do not have enough torque, you cannot achieve or maintain speed. The way our drivetrains are designed, you must spin them at a fairly high RPM in order to spin the wheels fast enough to achieve the desired speed.
So when we look at the HP and Torque curves above, we see the high horsepower and think - Ah! That must be why we go so fast. Well, it's true, but HP is just Torque looked at from another angle. The fact that you are making 158hp at 9500rpm is interesting, but that's just another way of saying you are making 90lb-ft of torque at 9500rpm. It's the SAME THING.
All other things being equal, the bike which makes the most torque, at least sufficient to overcome frictional losses, at the highest RPM can go the fastest. If its curve has less of a downward trend along the way, it will also accelerate faster (because the act of accelerating moves you along that curve, so you want those values to remain high, or at least higher than your competition.)
Horsepower makes for a nice graph, and another number to talk about. From a physics standpoint, it's just a derivation from torque. You can get to the answer about acceleration and speed without even mentioning horsepower (and since they are ratios of each other, you could technically do the same in reverse, without ever mentioning torque.)
First, everyone take a step back, and lets not get personal over the impersonal facts about the relationship of torque to HP.
It is commonly held that torque gives you acceleration, but HP gives you speed. Since HP is just a ratio derived from torque, that statement may or may not wash with you. Ultimately, it's torque that gives you the ability to move your car. A flat torque curve will give you consistent acceleration. A broad torque curve will allow you to accelerate constantly over a wide RPM range. Remember, torque is [rotational] force, and force gives acceleration, which leads to speed.
In order for a car (or bike) to move, force must be applied sufficient to offset frictional losses incurred while moving at whatever speed it is going. So enough force must be applied to the crank, multiplied by the gear ratios and expressed through the wheels, to overcome whatever frictional forces exist. Torque is force. Torque must be applied to the drivetrain, and this is what keeps you at whatever speed you are going. If you do not have enough torque, you cannot achieve or maintain speed. The way our drivetrains are designed, you must spin them at a fairly high RPM in order to spin the wheels fast enough to achieve the desired speed.
So when we look at the HP and Torque curves above, we see the high horsepower and think - Ah! That must be why we go so fast. Well, it's true, but HP is just Torque looked at from another angle. The fact that you are making 158hp at 9500rpm is interesting, but that's just another way of saying you are making 90lb-ft of torque at 9500rpm. It's the SAME THING.
All other things being equal, the bike which makes the most torque, at least sufficient to overcome frictional losses, at the highest RPM can go the fastest. If its curve has less of a downward trend along the way, it will also accelerate faster (because the act of accelerating moves you along that curve, so you want those values to remain high, or at least higher than your competition.)
Horsepower makes for a nice graph, and another number to talk about. From a physics standpoint, it's just a derivation from torque. You can get to the answer about acceleration and speed without even mentioning horsepower (and since they are ratios of each other, you could technically do the same in reverse, without ever mentioning torque.)
Jesus help us... If this is the guy doing the instructing? Clearly another case of Educated beyond his Capacity...Bullet Trian, you are a piece of work. The more you rattle the deeper you dig that hole.
If you will come to my class on Tuesday or Thursday evenings where I teach Mechanics II, I'll be happy to give you some private tutoring on this very subject. I get guys like you in every class, usually young, talk better than they listen and always know more than the instructor.
I'm sure you'll be happy to share with rest of the board the author of the book "The Theory" where you get your information.
Enough Said!
I would seriously hope that TufBiscuit here is just yankin your chain..... Otherwise I really hope that the Buckethead does take his case before the class and get his ass handed to him by pimply faced freshman Honors kid.... Has to be a TA or something similar... This is why Mars probes Auger into the surface, and why Bridges flap about in the breeze... Education doesn't equate to experiance or understanding...
Essentially Tufbiscuit, BT is correct with his Answer, Are you having issues understanding? Is the concept to simple?
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