How can anybody justify this????

[kml]

SB222 - Modifies the child labor laws

If that's how you want to treat children, it's your country. But truly, I just don't understand how someone could be so morally bankrupt.

ken

 

[captain]

It doesnt say all children have to work it say that they can... I am perfectly okay with this... My son wanted to work for a local farmer when he was 12 to make some money but child labor laws would not allow it. Im sure the bill wasn't created to force children to work but to allow the opportunities for kids to grow and mature... Summer jobs are a perfect example of how you could take a young boy and let him do some manual labor to show them some respect and what hard work is all about. I would bet that they still can't operate heavy machinery or work in hazardous environments because insurance will prevent that for any legitimate company.

Do you have a problem with a kid learning how the world operates? Let them get their hands dirty and they will want an education....

 

[kml]

I sure hope you are right.....

 

[UncleSteve]

Our work force in parts of this country leaves much to be desired. Don't think this is a big deal. Besides it is just a bill. Not a law. Unless it passed through committee, legislature voted approval and was signed by their Governor, nothing changed. Many bills are introduced each year, few ever make it into law.

 

[ktw88q]

I was on roof's in Chicago at the age of 10!! I was 14 making $15.00 HR.. Now at 29 I have a home and toys!!! I worked hard and also have my H.S. diploma and many management classes.. I think it can be great to teach kids early values but not to abuse them!!!

 

[m_ridgeway]

been working family business since i can remember. i dont think this is a big deal since you have to apply for a work permit, if similar to Ok's there will be school grades, parents permission, required for it.

not likely they will be dropping out of school and becoming day labor.

 

[III]

been working family business since i can remember. i dont think this is a big deal since you have to apply for a work permit, if similar to Ok's there will be school grades, parents permission, required for it.

not likely they will be dropping out of school and becoming day labor.

Great! A nice, subtle introduction. Now,in another 15 years, it'll be Dad, Mom, and the kids having to hold down full-time jobs just to keep the bills paid and food on the table. Something tells me changing child labor laws in the form of a "scared straight" program for the youth isn't a great solution.
Somehow, comparing working in a family business to say a job as a housekeeper in a motel at the age of 12 seems vastly different. This kinda reminds me of some real conservative friends of mine that preach how easy it should be for someone to get off their @$$ and get a job like and make something of themselves, like they did. Then you ask them what they do/did and their response is that they work for their Dad's company, or their uncle got them their job. And they still don't get it.
We had businesses in my family that I worked at all while I was in middle school and high school as well, but something tells me things would have been completely different if weren't employment by my parents or other family members.
I can just imagine the field day some underpaid, overauthorized, entry level manager could have with a 12-13 y.o.

As a side note...I find it funny how all of these newly elected, "anti-gov't", TeaRepubs have taken it upon themselves to jump right in with both feet on these heavy issues (in my state, it's usually those major topics that involve less than 5% of the population like abortion and gay marriage) creating amendments and banning laws.

 

[m_ridgeway]

not sure if i worded my post right, but i worked family till 16, since then have stayed employed outside of any family ties. at my current job im one of the few that has made my own name and not brought in by a buddy or family. out of the 150 or so at this particular company im prob 1 out of 10. and the only one that runs a crew.

whats wrong with instilling work ethic? not everyone has the chance to work with a family.

a kid with parents as horrible to make them support them prob needs a dose of reality to get the heck out of there asap. maybe they wont follow in footsteps of waiting in line for a handout.

on the political side, just one more bandwagon someone can make a name on or rally followers with. what happened to letting a family run itself? i dont know about where alot of people grow up but i know around the small towns, people work at very young ages. not all with families either. but to each his own.

Great! A nice, subtle introduction. Now,in another 15 years, it'll be Dad, Mom, and the kids having to hold down full-time jobs just to keep the bills paid and food on the table. Something tells me changing child labor laws in the form of a "scared straight" program for the youth isn't a great solution.
Somehow, comparing working in a family business to say a job as a housekeeper in a motel at the age of 12 seems vastly different. This kinda reminds me of some real conservative friends of mine that preach how easy it should be for someone to get off their @$$ and get a job like and make something of themselves, like they did. Then you ask them what they do/did and their response is that they work for their Dad's company, or their uncle got them their job. And they still don't get it.
We had businesses in my family that I worked at all while I was in middle school and high school as well, but something tells me things would have been completely different if weren't employment by my parents or other family members.
I can just imagine the field day some underpaid, overauthorized, entry level manager could have with a 12-13 y.o.

As a side note...I find it funny how all of these newly elected, "anti-gov't", TeaRepubs have taken it upon themselves to jump right in with both feet on these heavy issues (in my state, it's usually those major topics that involve less than 5% of the population like abortion and gay marriage) creating amendments and banning laws.

 

[III]

not sure if i worded my post right, but i worked family till 16, since then have stayed employed. I wasn't suggesting that you were still employed by your family, but just similar thinking and how it's easy to be skewed when one path has less obstructions in it...such as having jobs from our parents.

whats wrong with instilling work ethic? Absolutely nothing. What's that got to do with eliminating child labor laws?
not everyone has the chance to work with a family. Exactly. Which is why I'm suggesting your/our perspectives may be skewed a bit.

a kid with parents as horrible to make them support them prob needs a dose of reality to get the heck out of there asap. maybe they wont follow in footsteps of waiting in line for a handout. Totally missing what this means? Who are the horrible parents, the ones that have to both work or the one's who gave their kids a job?

I'm not saying teens shouldn't work, just don't think we need to eliminate having an age requirement to work. You don't see any negatives to that?

What gave you the impression that I thought work ethic is a bad thing? Because I think a law that mandates a child from working is a bad idea?

So there should be a mandate for large cities and towns, but no mandate for the rural areas?

 

[m_ridgeway]

I'm not saying teens shouldn't work, just don't think we need to eliminate having an age requirement to work. You don't see any negatives to that?

What gave you the impression that I thought work ethic is a bad thing? Because I think a law that mandates a child from working is a bad idea?

So there should be a mandate for large cities and towns, but no mandate for the rural areas?

not at all. im tired and probably cant convey my point and also prob misreading yours.

labor laws dont follow the good ol boy network that exists in rural areas. if joe down the roads needs his pasture mowed and wants to pay a kid willing to do so he will. thats all im getting at. has nothing to do where the laws exist because they do just not followed like every other law.

i know people that had work permits while i was working pouring cement they were bagging groceries. both of us learned respect for the workplace, him maybe even more so than me because the lax enviroment i had.

there is an age mandate and a permit to be obtained right? what do those consist of. before i denounce it i would have to know more. just saying its not like we're turning into china and making kids work in mines.

the parents im talking about are the ones that would utilize their kids earning to support the family. placing a burden on a child that large is poor parenting, letting a child that wants to work, work isnt a bad idea. imho that is.

 

[III]

not at all. im tired and probably cant convey my point and also prob misreading yours.

labor laws dont follow the good ol boy network that exists in rural areas. if joe down the roads needs his pasture mowed and wants to pay a kid willing to do so he will. thats all im getting at. has nothing to do where the laws exist because they do just not followed like every other law.

i know people that had work permits while i was working pouring cement they were bagging groceries. both of us learned respect for the workplace, him maybe even more so than me because the lax enviroment i had.

there is an age mandate and a permit to be obtained right? what do those consist of. before i denounce it i would have to know more. just saying its not like we're turning into china and making kids work in mines.

the parents im talking about are the ones that would utilize their kids earning to support the family. placing a burden on a child that large is poor parenting, letting a child that wants to work, work isnt a bad idea. imho that is.

I agree...it is late and I'm probably not conveying well either. Just like it has been working for that farmer to get that kid from down the block to mow his field, that should and would continue on as it has been. Around here it still happens anyway. I'm from Iowa, so I think I have a good idea of the things you're referring to. (and I detassled when I was 14) I don't think those scenarios are bad or the inspiration behind such a law.
I wasn't referring to Mom and Dad sponging off the kids working by any means. I was only saying that it started off with just Dad out earning the living, then it was Mom too. In a few more years, the economic situation will have went from just Dad to the entire household working full-time just to maintain. Probably a stretch, I know...just sayin. It just seemed to me to be "one of those things" that separated us from a "3rd world country". Guess we may as well keep it real and go ahead and go there since everything else seems to be.

 

[Busa1166]

It doesnt say all children have to work it say that they can... I am perfectly okay with this... My son wanted to work for a local farmer when he was 12 to make some money but child labor laws would not allow it. Im sure the bill wasn't created to force children to work but to allow the opportunities for kids to grow and mature... Summer jobs are a perfect example of how you could take a young boy and let him do some manual labor to show them some respect and what hard work is all about. I would bet that they still can't operate heavy machinery or work in hazardous environments because insurance will prevent that for any legitimate company.

Do you have a problem with a kid learning how the world operates? Let them get their hands dirty and they will want an education....

I don't like it Kinda leaves it open for exploiting the youths. Could be a way for companies to lower salaries also and hiring younger people I do see your point though. Good for the youths to get out and work. But a kid going to school and then forced to put to many hours at work could be a bad thing. Yeah I know he can't really be forced but when a company says work it or I'll get someone else, the kids going to work it especially the way things are now. This thing has more holes in it than the lottery deal that was supposed to save and help our school budget

 

[red1100cc]

im surprised it made it through 1st reading and was assigned a committee.
child labor laws exist for a reason, a good reason.

how many of yall would let your 12yr old daughter go be a maid in the date rape motel?

from reading it it sounds like the Indians (dot not feather) want to have their kids clean rooms and not have to pay them for it.

???i don't see anything good coming from this bill. i hope it dies.

 

[Chemmy]

I dont see anything wrong with this but on the other hand I didnt know it existed. I was 12 and cut grass for family friends and when I was 14 I was a dishwasher at an "Italian" Restaurant. I say it like that cause I dont want to really say what happened behind closed doors but I did get paid under the table 100 bucks a week

To this day I am part of a small group from my generation that would do anything to keep working instead of going for a handout. My parents were well off at one point but gave me nothing outside of a place to sleep. I had to make money to get something I wanted. I want my kids to do the same thing. I am not a fan of kids working to support the household like back in the day, but i will have my kids grow up knowing what it means to work for what you want.

 

[jellyrug]

It doesnt say all children have to work it say that they can... I am perfectly okay with this... My son wanted to work for a local farmer when he was 12 to make some money but child labor laws would not allow it. Im sure the bill wasn't created to force children to work but to allow the opportunities for kids to grow and mature... Summer jobs are a perfect example of how you could take a young boy and let him do some manual labor to show them some respect and what hard work is all about. I would bet that they still can't operate heavy machinery or work in hazardous environments because insurance will prevent that for any legitimate company.

Do you have a problem with a kid learning how the world operates? Let them get their hands dirty and they will want an education....

My dad had his own business, a factory with around 350 employees doing mass production steel-work.

I worked all my school holidays for him, as well as some week-ends, since I was 9 years old. Not because I had to, but because I wanted to. By the time I was 11 years old, I could weld, work a lathe, work a milling machine and set up a simple multiple part production manufacturing process.

Later in life, I spent 7 years at college and honestly, what my father taught me has given me a jump start in my career and in life that I would not trade for anything. College opened doors, nothing else, the experience made the rest a piece of cake.

The key is to make sure there is no abuse.