How's that Socialism working for ya now, Spain?

[Gpmo]

Obama got Osama

FOUR MORE YEARS!

Roflmao.

 

[chrisjp]

when will we all wake up and realize you cant fix a system that is broke. and i dont mean financially. you pure and simple cannot change corruption when the system only allows you to remove 1/3. and we Americans have no teeth. all we do is whine and complain then when called to action we respond "well it hasn't effected me" grow up...speak up...DO

 

[skydivr]

And it should be. Hiding and transferring money off shores while yes is legal is ethically objectionable. I do not agree with all these stupid tax loop holes and I believe that If they were eliminated we may actual have people paying a fair share. So yes it is justifiable to demonize a jackass who is trying to pay less taxes than the average American just cause he has sneaky weasel accountant and lawyers.

I don't believe he should have to pay a higher tax than anyone else I don't agree with making the rich pay a higher %. I would just like them and everyone else to pay the same %. And then we could possibly make a reasonable budget and pay for things we as a country need to and not for things we can afford.

As long as people are hiding money in offshore accounts where the amounts do not have to be reported and folks are no paying their share we are going to have problems.

Also look at that argument that you used. It's the same one that sneaky bastard lawyers get rapist and murders off on technicalities . yes there is a tweaked technical reason it's legal but do you really think they should be going free due to some little loop hole?

I'd be for a flat tax with no deductions, but whatcha gonna do about the 46% of people who pay NO tax and get a "refund" on taxes they never pay?

I PERSONALLY AM PREPARED TO PAY SOME REASONABLE ADDITONAL TAX, BUT I ALSO EXPECT A COMMENSURATE REDUCTION IN SPENDING IN ALL PROGRAMS WHICH INCLUDES DEFENSE AND WELFARE. I'm not pissed about paying more in taxes as much as I am about watching TOO MANY PEOPLE GET A FREE RIDE that coudl work.

 

[BUSA CRUSEN]

And it should be. Hiding and transferring money off shores while yes is legal is ethically objectionable. I do not agree with all these stupid tax loop holes and I believe that If they were eliminated we may actual have people paying a fair share. So yes it is justifiable to demonize a jackass who is trying to pay less taxes than the average American just cause he has sneaky weasel accountant and lawyers.

I don't believe he should have to pay a higher tax than anyone else I don't agree with making the rich pay a higher %. I would just like them and everyone else to pay the same %. And then we could possibly make a reasonable budget and pay for things we as a country need to and not for things we can afford.

As long as people are hiding money in offshore accounts where the amounts do not have to be reported and folks are no paying their share we are going to have problems.

Also look at that argument that you used. It's the same one that sneaky bastard lawyers get rapist and murders off on technicalities . yes there is a tweaked technical reason it's legal but do you really think they should be going free due to some little loop hole?

I'm curious, how much has he transferred overseas? Whats that? you don't know cuz its all just speculation from the media right now. OK, that makes sense and thanks for answering my question!!

 

[fallenarch]

While borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar the federal government spends it's only a matter of time (Short time) until we reach the crises point as well. The federal government has almost doubled the amount of money it spends annually since 2000 and it continues to raise the debt limit to cover our asses.

The question we must all (Whether you are at the public feeding trough or not) ask is: "Can we sustain four more years of what we currently have without serious consequences".

Wasn't the budget in surplus in 2000 when W got into office? Didn't Republicans start 2 unescessary wars, give away billions in drug benifits and lower taxes in the middle of a war? Didn't O enter office with the country in the worse decline since the great depression? Man, sometimes I listen to the crap you guys spew and I wonder if it's possible to be so brainwashed. You can chose to believe what you like but the facts are the facts.

 

[Gpmo]

I'd be for a flat tax with no deductions, but whatcha gonna do about the 46% of people who pay NO tax and get a "refund" on taxes they never pay?

I PERSONALLY AM PREPARED TO PAY SOME REASONABLE ADDITONAL TAX, BUT I ALSO EXPECT A COMMENSURATE REDUCTION IN SPENDING IN ALL PROGRAMS WHICH INCLUDES DEFENSE AND WELFARE. I'm not pissed about paying more in taxes as much as I am about watching TOO MANY PEOPLE GET A FREE RIDE that coudl work.

I've read a bunch on flat tax and I think it would work. I agree with you there are way to many people not contributing and it's funny it goes from the low to high in the income brackets. I believe the answer is to remove the loop holes and breaks ect ect. I must admit that's for personal income. I'm not sure how it would need to work with business. That's really complicated. I'm not sure with the way our lobbyists and politician work these day that we could get a simplified tax system.

Would a flat tax work with business or just personal?

 

[masterblaster]

I think when the jig is up here like it is in Europe it will be very bloody, Europeans are pusses, they forgot how to riot properly, they don't have 400 M guns in private hands and are generally too lethargic to riot properly, this is not the case in the US yet..Dems/Repubs are different side of the same coin.

 

[skydivr]

I've read a bunch on flat tax and I think it would work. I agree with you there are way to many people not contributing and it's funny it goes from the low to high in the income brackets. I believe the answer is to remove the loop holes and breaks ect ect. I must admit that's for personal income. I'm not sure how it would need to work with business. That's really complicated. I'm not sure with the way our lobbyists and politician work these day that we could get a simplified tax system.

Would a flat tax work with business or just personal?

Large Businesses (Class C Corps) already pay 50% tax rate. The stockholders pay capital gains on the sale of the stock, and their personal rate on the dividends. That's enough.

Most small businesses are LLC's or SUB S corps; ALL earnings (to include those retained by the company to operate) already flow to the personal tax rate of the shareholders. I could live with a flat tax, but I expect to see it applied fairly across the board. 20% is 20% I don't care who you are. Still got to be some form of sales tax to capture those who don't have an income. NOBODY should get a 100% FREE RIDE.

 

[masterblaster]

Agree butr the first thing that needs to happen is to control spending, these guys should not be allowed to spend more than they take in unless there is a declaration of war.

Large Businesses (Class C Corps) already pay 50% tax rate. The stockholders pay capital gains on the sale of the stock, and their personal rate on the dividends. That's enough.

Most small businesses are LLC's or SUB S corps; ALL earnings (to include those retained by the company to operate) already flow to the personal tax rate of the shareholders. I could live with a flat tax, but I expect to see it applied fairly across the board. 20% is 20% I don't care who you are. Still got to be some form of sales tax to capture those who don't have an income. NOBODY should get a 100% FREE RIDE.

 

[Easy E]

Obama got Osama

FOUR MORE YEARS!

Yeah what ^ said

 

[skydivr]

Agree butr the first thing that needs to happen is to control spending, these guys should not be allowed to spend more than they take in unless there is a declaration of war.

TOTALLY Agree; there are plenty of examples where deals struct for spending cuts and revenue increases were made, only to see half enacted (the revenue part)...I want to see spending cuts enacted, THEN FOLLOWED by a small tax increase. There are no amount of taxes that can dig us out of this hole, it's GOT to come from Spending cuts.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

To me it is a bit scary how quietly confident Obama seems to be.
Almost like the fix is in and don't worry about it.

 

[k03gsxr750]

Actually, I agree that defense is spending too much. But it's not a DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to the spending on social plans or the cost of Obamacare. There is a lot of money sitting on the sidelines. If business, especially small ones, can get some confidence regarding tax policies and regulatory changes, they will be willing to expand.

And not, this didn't start with the current administration, but it's going to HAVE to stop with the next one.

I think 1.351T is well beyond a drop, I don't care how big the bucket is. Hell the link you posted was an 89 billion $ bailout that was going to "destroy" the country. I think it's terribly unfair of people to discount how much damage 2 multi-billion dollar a week wars have done. Also both parties were asleep at the wheel to let the housing market peak and fail like it did, anyone paying attention could see it coming. I was only 23 and I knew 1,000 brand new homes on the market at the time was bad news bears for SWFL and moved before the bottom dropped. I think any person on here that feels like they point a finger at one person or group is painfully out of touch.

 

[Warchild]

To me it is a bit scary how quietly confident Obama seems to be.
Almost like the fix is in and don't worry about it.

 

[fallenarch]

To me it is a bit scary how quietly confident Obama seems to be.
Almost like the fix is in and don't worry about it.

O is always quietly confident. He is the first black president, just what is it you think is going to ruffle a guy who has been through what he has?

 

[mracer29]

To me it is a bit scary how quietly confident Obama seems to be.
Almost like the fix is in and don't worry about it.

I read a thing some guy posted on fb that there will be a fake attempt on O's life, the will blame it on white skinheads, riots will start, we will be under emergency status, there will be no election cause no election can be held during civil unrest.....

I think it's BS but if something happens at least I can say I told ya so.

 

[VIPER]

Um first obama is not black. He is a mutt like the rest of this planet basically. Next can you say CIVIL WAR! Its is coming folks. The politicians and all the corruption in washington. Its is coming.

 

[Warchild]

Next can you say CIVIL WAR! Its is coming folks. The politicians and all the corruption in washington. Its is coming.

 

[SLO MO]

I think 1.351T is well beyond a drop, I don't care how big the bucket is. Hell the link you posted was an 89 billion $ bailout that was going to "destroy" the country. I think it's terribly unfair of people to discount how much damage 2 multi-billion dollar a week wars have done. Also both parties were asleep at the wheel to let the housing market peak and fail like it did, anyone paying attention could see it coming. I was only 23 and I knew 1,000 brand new homes on the market at the time was bad news bears for SWFL and moved before the bottom dropped. I think any person on here that feels like they point a finger at one person or group is painfully out of touch.

Yeah people just refuse to look deeper into anything, so they just repeat what the like minded people in their social circle said. Many don't even understand that the numbers don't reset when the new guy takes over, just like it took time for Bush to turn the Clinton surplus into a deficit, it's going to take time for Obama to clean up the mess, it will take even longer if the priority continues to be to stall every possible plan just for the sake of political positioning.

FactCheck.org : Dueling Debt Deceptions

Excerpt:

We won’t attempt here to assess which side is more to blame for the mounting debt, or how much of the increase is Obama’s fault. Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein argues that the economic stimulus and other Obama policies account for just under $1 trillion of the debt added since he took office, while Bush added $5.1 trillion in his eight years — mostly due to tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. On the other hand, former Washington Post reporter Eric Pianin and others fault Obama for not getting more strongly behind the recommendations of his own deficit-reduction commission more than a year ago. Obama agreed to extend Bush’s tax cuts for two years, even as his commission called for tax reform. And he attacked Republican proposals to hold down the cost of Medicare, despite the commission’s call to move beyond the “phantom savings†in his own health care law, savings the commission said “will never materialize.â€

All we can do here is point to the correct figures for how much debt has piled up on Obama’s watch, and note that there is ample blame to go around. When the partisan deceptions on each side are disregarded, the plain fact remains that the debt has increased, for many years, under both Democratic and Republican presidents. And it is currently increasing rapidly, reaching historically high levels, while partisans continue to struggle over what to do about it.

– by Brooks Jackson

 

[skydivr]

Yeah, because GWB was the only person that wanted war with Iraq/AFG...oh, wait that's right, both parties voted almost unanimously to fight, and both parties with control of Congress have funded it.

If you really don't understand why we fought those fights, I really can't help you...