I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma

WuzzaCBXRider said:
Damn Sam, the south was obviously NOT the “USA”. Americans yes, but quite obviously not part of the USA as they were fighting for the Confederate States of America. And as such were enemies of the USA, very much (unlike) a black American flying a flag from Africa, from who we’ve never been attacked. You must ‘teach’ pre school or something. Certainly not higher education.
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I do teach art, all grades K-12 as well as a short stint at the college level which I enjoyed a great deal. I'm just an expert on art, not history. Early Childhood teachers are well educated people even though they teach students at the earliest level of development in school. You have a habit of making direct insults or trying to do so. This doesn't put you in a very good light to criticize anyone else's intelligence.

That is a good point about the Confederacy being America's enemy. Apparently they declared war on the North because their secession was not recognized by the Union. Still, if somebody wants to fly a Confederate flag or any flag, they may do so. They may not own slaves or secede from the USA. That is why the secession of these so called autonomous zones is so ridiculous.

BTW, you might want to edit that openning comment, the South was fighting the Union not the Confederate States of America. Easy transposition. No big deal.
 
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Mythos said:
I do teach art, all grades K-12 as well as a short stint at the college level which I enjoyed a great deal. I'm just an expert on art, not history. Early Childhood teachers are well educated people even though they teach students at the earliest level of development in school. You have a habit of making direct insults or trying to do so. This doesn't put you in a very good light to criticize anyone else's intelligence.

That is a good point about the Confederacy being America's enemy. Apparently they declared war on the North because their secession was not recognized by the Union. Still, if somebody wants to fly a Confederate flag or any flag, they may do so. They may not own slaves or secede from the USA. That is why the secession of these so called autonomous zones is so ridiculous.

BTW, you might want to edit that openning comment, the South was fighting the Union not the Confederate States of America. Easy transposition. No big deal.
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You’re reading is wrong. Typical.
 
Well hell, let’s just take all flags, statues, street signs down, because no matter what someone is going to be offended. I don’t like BLM signs , flags , T-shirts, painting the street. I want all MLK stuff down. He had issues with women. Street signs could be numbers East to west, and letters north to south. Same thing for schools. Would this solve the problem?, or does the opinion of only some count?
 
busabobh said:
Well hell, let’s just take all flags, statues, street signs down, because no matter what someone is going to be offended. I don’t like BLM signs , flags , T-shirts, painting the street. I want all MLK stuff down. He had issues with women. Street signs could be numbers East to west, and letters north to south. Same thing for schools. Would this solve the problem?, or does the opinion of only some count?
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It can never happen. There can't be an end to visual communication, it's more a part of life today than it probably ever was. I think the best you can hope for is to unite with others who feel like you do and protest. When I lived in Milwaukee, the neighboring community had a cross on their city logo. Some people complained that it was not fair to represent the whole community with a single religious symbol or any religious symbol as the case may be and it was also contrary to separtion of church and state. The cross was removed. I don't think the majority of community members felt strongly enough to counter protest and the no cross people had a pretty good agument so it was gone.
 
busabobh said:
Well hell, let’s just take all flags, statues, street signs down, because no matter what someone is going to be offended. I don’t like BLM signs , flags , T-shirts, painting the street. I want all MLK stuff down. He had issues with women. Street signs could be numbers East to west, and letters north to south. Same thing for schools. Would this solve the problem?, or does the opinion of only some count?
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There are some signs and symbols that don't need to be represented in society. Not everyone will be content with this but signs and symbols of obvious hate, oppression and discrimination have no place in this century.

This like the flag of the former socialist regime of Germany, the Confederate flag, ISIS or Taliban flags all represent hate and oppression and should not be allowed to be displayed by anyone.

People living in a society such as the United States or wherever have an obligation to conform to the general rules of the society or anarchy will be the rule. If such a symbol is disliked by over 99% of the people within the society, it has no place within this setting.

I agree with @fallenarch and BLM should be called BLM2 which places it in a more equal position.

The pendulum has certainly started swinging and even here in Canada it is creating huge issues. Many of our founding fathers are all deemed racists and oppressors due to their treatment of the indigenous people of which in their time and day were the enemy of the settlers. When settlers were being killed and tortured at an alarming rate, the leaders did what they thought was right in protecting their people. Without the benefit of having historical forethought, they made decisions which are now deemed to be the wrong ones.

Very similar to what happened all over the world at the time...there were atrocities conducted by every country in the world at some time or other...if we are to condemn each and every historical figure for what they did in their time, it would erase our history pretty quickly..

People need to pause, reflect on what was done in history and never repeat the evil but never forget it either.
 
Bumblebee said:
There are some signs and symbols that don't need to be represented in society. Not everyone will be content with this but signs and symbols of obvious hate, oppression and discrimination have no place in this century.

This like the flag of the former socialist regime of Germany, the Confederate flag, ISIS or Taliban flags all represent hate and oppression and should not be allowed to be displayed by anyone.

People living in a society such as the United States or wherever have an obligation to conform to the general rules of the society or anarchy will be the rule. If such a symbol is disliked by over 99% of the people within the society, it has no place within this setting.

I agree with @fallenarch and BLM should be called BLM2 which places it in a more equal position.

The pendulum has certainly started swinging and even here in Canada it is creating huge issues. Many of our founding fathers are all deemed racists and oppressors due to their treatment of the indigenous people of which in their time and day were the enemy of the settlers. When settlers were being killed and tortured at an alarming rate, the leaders did what they thought was right in protecting their people. Without the benefit of having historical forethought, they made decisions which are now deemed to be the wrong ones.

Very similar to what happened all over the world at the time...there were atrocities conducted by every country in the world at some time or other...if we are to condemn each and every historical figure for what they did in their time, it would erase our history pretty quickly..

People need to pause, reflect on what was done in history and never repeat the evil but never forget it either.
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Being able to take an accounting of historical figures in context is a good place to start, but I think that there is a fine line between acknowledgement and glorification. Many of the people this country and others hail as heroes were deeply flawed men, and that needs to be pointed out as our children learn about them. Inarguably the founding fathers of this country did some pretty remarkable things, they also did some sh!tty things too. The accomplishments of marginalized people need to be taught along side what is already learned, so that people can come to understand the true story of this (and other) country's inception and development.
I'm not sure why mature adults cannot understand that we don't need to deify historical figures as if they were flawless.
My students are uncomfortable, surprised, and often frustrated when they realize that what they've been taught isn't the whole story.
 
fallenarch said:
I love how comfortable you are with yourself. I don't think I could expose that level of disconnection to anyone who might read this.
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I make light of just about everything. Coping mechanism? Shiddy sense of humor? Lack of.... IDK. It really matters not. I think 95% of the members skip right over my threads and posts. But a few get a chuckle. So thats cool. You have to hand it to a few members...100% straight goods all the time. Almost robotic responses to everything. I think a certain percentage maybe get a pinch tired of tire,oil,air-pressure and tre disagreements.So they look to have fun. Don't like a member or what they post...easy answer...
I have to ignore people on a daily basis and visa versa. :laugh:
Doug put that ignore button on their for a reason. I just wish it was a stat that was shown like most posts,reactions or trophy points.
Then I could be the winner my mommy always told me I could be.
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Rubb.
 
@rubbersidedown nobody's ignoring you.

If we'd like to return to the George Floyd death, the transcripts of the police voice recordings are public now. Nothing too remarkable after watching nearly all of the video that must be available. Sounds like Floyd was acting weird and appeared to possibly be on drugs, refused to show hands, resisted getting out of his car and walking to and getting into the squad car, possibly was claustrophobic, he did kick around after getting in the squad car, possibly was having breathing issues and was removed from the car and restrained. It appears that Floyd's behavior would have made anyone suspicious. A pot pipe was found in Floyd's vehicle. The cops did monitor Floyd's pulse and breathing. Chauvin made the decision to keep Floyd face down and restrained even though it appeared Floyd was having serious medical problems. Floyd dies. Pretty much what we saw in the videos with a few details that might be important in determining the sentences that are handed down. The cops probably were concerned for their own safety. Kneeling on Floyd's neck was a very poor choice. If I recall, the coroner report determined that Floyd was asphyxiated. I wonder if he would have been asphyxiated from sitting on him without kneeling on his neck? Floyd might have had some health issues that were not readily apparent to the cops and he was under the influence of narcotics when he died. Being restrained and the stress of being arrested could have been too much for him to handle.

It's possible that the murder was a stupid accident on the part of the cops. If they knew, would they have done something else? You know what they say about hindsight, right? From here on in, cops will need to treat everyone as though their health is fragile whether that appears to be the case or not and wether they are resisting or not.

Read the transcript of Thomas Lane's body camera footage during George Floyd call

www.startribune.com www.startribune.com
 
Mythos said:
@rubbersidedown nobody's ignoring you.
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I'll bet you 20 bucks. You start a poll in random. I'll give you huge odd's the ignore button has been hit more than a 1000 times.
I didn't join just yesterday.
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It is however nothing to be proud of...
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Certainly no way to raise ones children.
And no Mythos,you can't un-follow me following you.
Rubb.

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rubbersidedown said:
I'll bet you 20 bucks. You start a poll in random. I'll give you huge odd's the ignore button has been hit more than a 1000 times.
I didn't join just yesterday. View attachment 1622803
It is however nothing to be proud of...View attachment 1622805
Certainly no way to raise ones children.
And no Mythos,you can't un-follow me following you.
Rubb.

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LOL I don't think any of your comments come close to being excessively crude, just a little crude. We're not in church here. You're not a hateful person so I see no reason to ignore you. If anyone else wants to ignore you, that's their prerogative. Exercise you're right to free speech and be responsible like you always have been. I think most of us can accept a little edginess. You piss somebody off, you apologize if you truely are sorry.
 
Mythos said:
LOL I don't think any of your comments come close to being excessively crude, just a little crude. We're not in church here. You're not a hateful person so I see no reason to ignore you. If anyone else wants to ignore you, that's their prerogative. Exercise you're right to free speech and be responsible like you always have been. I think most of us can accept a little edginess. You piss somebody off, you apologize if you truely are sorry.
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Never tried that whole apology thing on anybody before...maybe one day. :laugh: ya gotta be truely sorry thou, right ?
Rubb.
 
Yeah, don't be one of those o_O wipes who makes an insincere apology. You might as well do whatever you did all over again.

I don't see any responses to my George Floyd post up there. Is it just you and me, Rubb? We're the only ones left. Everyone else has ignored us!
 
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