I like the look, but "not for sale in California".
Where there is a will there is a way
just the facts.
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You just had to go and say that Frank!
Now I want to know. Not to hijack the thread, why do some companies like M4 or Brocks say not for sale in California because their products are for off road or track use (can't remember the exact wording) but other manufacturers say their exhaust is acceptable because it's a replacement part.I moved to California from Missouri. My bike had shorty pipes on it when I bought it; kind of like the stubby ones you can get from Voodoo but these are "generic" with no brand markings. The guy at the DMV asked if I had an paperwork on them and I said no thinking "Oh boy, here we go" but he just blew right past that and said it wasn't a big deal since I didn't buy the bike in California I was OK.
Does that mean I can buy what I want, install it in the privacy of my own garage and not have any hassle or would I be rolling the dice where one inspector might say fine, another might say I have to replace them?
It would be great if members from California would chime in here and relate their own experiences. The EPA gestapo, along with the California Air Resources Board, want to insure your compliance with their regulations. The Air Resource Board has an "enforcement program". Essentially, bikes sold in Cali must comply. Changing the exhaust, intake, or anything else that may effect emissions they don't like. If your exhaust doesn't have that stamped paragraph on the muffler like the original ones do, you could have a problem. I am not sure what they do on the west coast, and I am not a lawyer, so I would think you are rolling the dice.
Here in New York, where I have been a motorcycle inspector for over 40 years, exhaust compliance has to do with noise, not emissions. Whether a bike is too loud or not is up to my discretion - it used to be a certain amount of decibels measured 200 feet away, and the law is still written that way. Motorcycle inspection stations here in New York are not required to have a decibel meter or to make that measurement. I can do what I want. HOWEVER - there is a caveat in the law that has to do with "modified" exhausts. This gives the local "fun" police the opening to issue a ticket to any bike with a slip on, or non-stock exhaust. If they don't see the manufacturer's paragraph on the muffler, they issue a ticket for modified exhaust, even if it is quiet. This is not the law, but they do it anyway. I've been riding around on Long Island and upstate New York on turbo bikes with dump pipes for decades, I have never gotten a ticket. Probably because I always show my inspector's ID along with my license. Some cops have nothing better to do but to sleep on their vehicle and traffic law book every night. For the past three years I have been pulled over at the beginning of the season by the same Highway Patrol motor officer and been threatened with my bike being confiscated. He always lectures me for about ten minutes and lets me go without a ticket, warning me that my bike will be on a flatbed if he ever sees me again. This is not to say that their aren't a majority of police officers that are really nice guys - I know and ride with a lot of them.
"all of our exhausts are designed for off-road or racing use only"
Here in New York, where I have been a motorcycle inspector for over 40 years, exhaust compliance has to do with noise, not emissions. Whether a bike is too loud or not is up to my discretion - it used to be a certain amount of decibels measured 200 feet away, and the law is still written that way. Motorcycle inspection stations here in New York are not required to have a decibel meter or to make that measurement. I can do what I want. HOWEVER - there is a caveat in the law that has to do with "modified" exhausts. This gives the local "fun" police the opening to issue a ticket to any bike with a slip on, or non-stock exhaust. If they don't see the manufacturer's paragraph on the muffler, they issue a ticket for modified exhaust, even if it is quiet. This is not the law, but they do it anyway. I've been riding around on Long Island and upstate New York on turbo bikes with dump pipes for decades, I have never gotten a ticket. Probably because I always show my inspector's ID along with my license. Some cops have nothing better to do but to sleep on their vehicle and traffic law book every night. For the past three years I have been pulled over at the beginning of the season by the same Highway Patrol motor officer and been threatened with my bike being confiscated. He always lectures me for about ten minutes and lets me go without a ticket, warning me that my bike will be on a flatbed if he ever sees me again. This is not to say that their aren't a majority of police officers that are really nice guys - I know and ride with a lot of them.
"all of our exhausts are designed for off-road or racing use only"
Do commie country cops write tickets for loud pipes?
Doesn't happen around here unless some idiot is pegging the rev meter over and over. Harleys seem to get a pass no matter what. Hell even cop Harleys have aftermarket pipes.
ali123
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i live in new York.. i dunno man.. here it seems like there are other things to worry about... real crimes being commited... espescially NYC.. Frank mentioned he has been pulled over for loud pipes... but Long island NY is different... its a ritzy area.Do commie country cops write tickets for loud pipes?
Sounds like a real prick .... we got those sort over hear as well , not only driving patrol cars , but we also got a fleet of bike cops who are schooled up on everything motorcycle , to mess your day up big time !
That is not what I said I did not get pulled over for loud pipes I got pulled over because this particular highway patrol officer is an a hole he never even heard the bike he just saw it and pulled me over
ali123
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lol.... what did he say when he pulled u over the first time ever? WHY DOESNT HE LIKE YOU??? I know what happened there i think.. i think u knew the law better than he did and u schooled him on the bike laws and NOW ure a target... i would have loved to have heard that first ever exchange....
I'll probably be seeing him again soon . . .
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He saw the dump pipes and knew they weren’t stock that is why I got pulled over he knows enough about bikes to be a real idiot
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Lecture or a ticket, I ain't taking both. IME you'll have the best chances for even treatment from the highway patrol in California, Colorado, Nevada and Montana compared to city cops with county cops bringing up the rear. But, since the invention of the Valentine One (revenuer) detector, I haven't had much interaction with them.
IME you'll have the best chances for even treatment from the highway patrol in California, Colorado, Nevada and Montana compared to city cops with county cops bringing up the rear. But, since the invention of the Valentine One (revenuer) detector, I haven't had much interaction with them.
ali123
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with the way i see cops use lasar now... its instant on... by the time u see it.. its too late... i had an escort radar detector years ago.... before lasar.Lecture or a ticket, I ain't taking both.
Very very few agencies have laser ability. Not using a radar detector because of the chance a Laser gun might get you is not a very good reason. The vast majority use K band or Ka band and they can be used when moving or stopped. Either way they're reading the front most or rear most vehicle. Almost none use X band anymore. Laser guns are used while stationary and can single out (mid pack) vehicles as they scan for speeders. When it's activated my V1 alerts me. Unless I'm the target, I'm warned in time to scrub off speed. Depending on the terrain I've seen alerts up to two miles away. Ka and K band alerts (and Laser alerts) have saved me thousands over the years in my cars and motorcycles.
ali123
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there are also very good LASAR jammers out there... depending on ure comfort level.... here ya go https://www.stealthveil.com/guides/laser-jammers-review-whats-the-best-laser-jammer
Did not read all the posts here, but if you want facts, I have a tiny little bit.
I have my oil analyzed for each change and from my own results and a couple of other riders who posted their results here this is what I have seen.
Comparing a K&N filter from another rider's oil analysis to my own OEM filter, the K&N showed higher filter by-pass particles being passed into the motor.
My own tests on Shell Rotella and Mobil one showed no concerns, however viscosity index on these oils dropped within 600 miles to 30W which is fine for the motor, but I would like something a little thicker for the gearbox.
My own tests on Silkolene 5W40 showed no concerns and the viscosity index was maintained for a 5,000 mile duration, not dropping below 40.
I have seen one test posted by someone else, where Amsoil 10W40 also showed no concerns and the viscosity remained well within range for over 4,000 miles duration.
That is all I know factually
I have my oil analyzed for each change and from my own results and a couple of other riders who posted their results here this is what I have seen.
Comparing a K&N filter from another rider's oil analysis to my own OEM filter, the K&N showed higher filter by-pass particles being passed into the motor.
My own tests on Shell Rotella and Mobil one showed no concerns, however viscosity index on these oils dropped within 600 miles to 30W which is fine for the motor, but I would like something a little thicker for the gearbox.
My own tests on Silkolene 5W40 showed no concerns and the viscosity index was maintained for a 5,000 mile duration, not dropping below 40.
I have seen one test posted by someone else, where Amsoil 10W40 also showed no concerns and the viscosity remained well within range for over 4,000 miles duration.
That is all I know factually
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