LEO charged with vehicular homicide

TA_GunSurgeon @ Feb. 20 2008 said:
It's a good debate and It's just a point of veiw. When it comes down to it there's nothing we can do to change these laws unless somebody here's a (crooked)Politician
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. People will always speed some will stop some will not. Most the people on here are good people and I'm sure would never intentionally endanger lives, but there is no one on here that owns a Busa can say they have never been over the speed limit. What it comes down to for me is I'm not willing to pay for another persons error in judgement. If I want to speed I deserve a ticket, but if I pass a cop 186 MPH and don't see him pull out I don't want to do 10 years in jail cause he can't catch up
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In as much respect as I can give.
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If someone is going so fast in a public area that they don't know a cop was chasing them than they were more than speeding (wreckless) or WAY TOO FAST. And not that they should spend 10 yrs in jail BUT very heavy fine ($5,000).

normal speeding = normal ticket
 
99'busa @ Feb. 20 2008 said:
TA_GunSurgeon @ Feb. 20 2008 said:
It's a good debate and It's just a point of veiw. When it comes down to it there's nothing we can do to change these laws unless somebody here's a (crooked)Politician
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. People will always speed some will stop some will not. Most the people on here are good people and I'm sure would never intentionally endanger lives, but there is no one on here that owns a Busa can say they have never been over the speed limit. What it comes down to for me is I'm not willing to pay for another persons error in judgement. If I want to speed I deserve a ticket, but if I pass a cop 186 MPH and don't see him pull out I don't want to do 10 years in jail cause he can't catch up
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In as much respect as I can give.
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 If someone is going so fast in a public area that they don't know a cop was chasing them than they were more than speeding (wreckless) or WAY TOO FAST. And not that they should spend 10 yrs in jail BUT very heavy fine ($5,000).

normal speeding = normal ticket
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If I'm speeding whether it's 85 mph or 185 mph and pass a cop sitting on the side of the highway. I'm not going to pull over, wait to see if he is going to pull out and flash his fancy lights. Please officer give me a ticket NEVER!!!!!!
 
I'm a Canadian LEO. I've chased when odds were safe and I've cut loose when odds for public safety became too great. I am still undecided as to which is the best practice. Unforseen factors can materialize in a fraction of a second during a chase. I've always given warnings to those who pulled quickly over. Usually ended up "shooting the breeze" on the roadside with those guys... bike talk no less. Can't say I was that curteous to the runners I caught. I' ve also worked with a minority of LEOs who have never experienced riding in the saddle and absolutely despise bikers. They have no qualms about totally barricading the road with their vehicles or ramming bikes off the road at high speeds. Knowing that one of these LEOs may be wating around the next turn, or over the next crest is really not worth the gamble for anyone less than a murderer-on-the-run.

Mike B
 
The problem here is the same as when proposing any law. It is very difficult to define the spirit of the law in words. We end up with a new law on the books that was very probably meant to be a good thing and it turns out to be something that can be manipulated and used for unintended purposes. Then when it doesn't work as intended, there is a band-aid law that is added to further complicate things. Eventually we end up with a system of laws that take an eight year formal education to understand.

This is why it is so important to have qualified cops on the streets. There is a lot of common sense that needs to be applied to ensure that the spirit and the letter of the law is enforced. And when the common sense part of the equation comes up missing from the cop, you just have to hope the Judge is not missing it too.

As far as running from a cop, I won't run from one who is chasing me. But, if I meet a cop and I'm going a little fast, I look to see if he is going to turn around. If I see any indication that he is turning, I take the next inconspicuous exit and grab some ice cream or something.

Not that I don't think I deserve a ticket, but most of the LEOs and I don't really see eye to eye in matters like this. I have had some good and bad experiences with pulling over, and as far as I'm concerned, if I can avoid having a conversation about 85 mph being suicidal, I will.
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jetsetter @ Feb. 20 2008 said:
The problem here is the same as when proposing any law.  It is very difficult to define the spirit of the law in words.  We end up with a new law on the books that was very probably meant to be a good thing and it turns out to be something that can be manipulated and used for unintended purposes.  Then when it doesn't work as intended, there is a band-aid law that is added to further complicate things.  Eventually we end up with a system of laws that take an eight year formal education to understand.

This is why it is so important to have qualified cops on the streets.  There is a lot of common sense that needs to be applied to ensure that the spirit and the letter of the law is enforced.  And when the common sense part of the equation comes up missing from the cop, you just have to hope the Judge is not missing it too.

As far as running from a cop, I won't run from one who is chasing me.  But, if I meet a cop and I'm going a little fast, I look to see if he is going to turn around.  If I see any indication that he is turning, I take the next inconspicuous exit and grab some ice cream or something.

Not that I don't think I deserve a ticket, but most of the LEOs and I don't really see eye to eye in matters like this.  I have had some good and bad experiences with pulling over, and as far as I'm concerned, if I can avoid having a conversation about 85 mph being suicidal, I will.  
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all the people that put all the blame on the guy on the bike are rediculous its common sense get the tag if you can and deal with them later its outragous for a trooper to engage pursuite of someone on a bike through traffic im not defending the biker but is putting the lives of many at risk worth catching someone over somesort of a ticket a lot of leo's just need to get their head out there azz
 
The law is the law. If the cops don't follow it, they set a very BAD example for the rest.
Yes the bike was going too fast, but two wrongs don't justify it either.
It is very sad that the ending was so tragic, but the cop, not the bike was the one, who by not following his orders, hit and killed, the innocent people.
We had a very similar incident happen here not to long ago with the same results . A police car in a chase, hit a car and killed two innocent people.
Laws are made for all to obey, the police as well as the rest of us.
It is sad indeed that somebody that was not involved in this action, in any way, was the victim.
 
How often is the guy/girl fleeing a felon? Does anyone have any statistics on this? Just curious. I have no problem with LEO giving chase to a felon. But chasing someone at highspeeds for a traffic violation is like using a 50 cal. to kill a housefly.

Sad for the innocent people that were killed.
 
How easy it is to be a quaterback from your armchair... Ever been in Law enforcement?
For those of us that have I can say its a lot of work/politics and the pay is under rated... Would the outcome of been any different IF the LEO chasing the POS WERE chasing a two time convict with a history of criminal engagement dating back to his/her early youth? Would the story be different IF the POS being chased had just raped your sister or mother at gunpoint? What about IF the indidvidual had just shot up a High School Campus? How, come this individual didn't come foward immediately after the incident (when he didn't hear/see the pursuing LEO?) I guess what really bothers me is that IF not for the actions of this one individual the responding officer would not be in this situation. At that second/minute/hour of the day in May an LEO had to make a split decision... Did they violate or ignore any greater law then the wreckless driver on the motorcycle? I say NO, they violated not one law but instead a policy! So, two people are tragically killed and we want to send the LEO to prison for thier actions on the account they violated a policy that lead to this event.... Sad, when a criminal can clearly violate the law and receive nothing, yet violate a policy and its off to the pokey for twenty...

I agree with a lot of what I'm reading and it is very enlightening to see some of the thoughts on the otherside of the coin. My life was forever changed in 93 and hardened my heart... So, to those of you who've never lost a friend or family member in this manor I say walk in our shoes for a day. Cause today you can return those shoes... Tommorrow I pray you never ever have to wear them again!
 
ks-waterbug @ Feb. 21 2008 said:
How easy it is to be a quaterback from your armchair... Ever been in Law enforcement?
For those of us that have I can say its a lot of work/politics and the pay is under rated... Would the outcome of been any different IF the LEO chasing the POS WERE chasing a two time convict with a history of criminal engagement dating back to his/her early youth? Would the story be different IF the POS being chased had just raped your sister or mother at gunpoint? What about IF the indidvidual had just shot up a High School Campus? How, come this individual didn't come foward immediately after the incident (when he didn't hear/see the pursuing LEO?) I guess what really bothers me is that IF not for the actions of this one individual the responding officer would not be in this situation. At that second/minute/hour of the day in May an LEO had to make a split decision... Did they violate or ignore any greater law then the wreckless driver on the motorcycle? I say NO, they violated not one law but instead a policy! So, two people are tragically killed and we want to send the LEO to prison for thier actions on the account they violated a policy that lead to this event.... Sad, when a criminal can clearly violate the law and receive nothing, yet violate a policy and its off to the pokey for twenty...

I agree with a lot of what I'm reading and it is very enlightening to see some of the thoughts on the otherside of the coin. My life was forever changed in 93 and hardened my heart... So, to those of you who've never lost a friend or family member in this manor I say walk in our shoes for a day. Cause today you can return those shoes... Tommorrow I pray you never ever have to wear them again!
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I respect and see your pationate view but I guess this is one subject that will always have two opposing pationate views. I'm sure the vamily and friends of these two victims would have equally a pationate view to disagree with you.

Me I'm on fence I see valid pts. on ea. case.
 
TA_GunSurgeon @ Feb. 21 2008 said:
latinowarrior @ Feb. 21 2008 said:
FL do 30 over the speed limit and u lose your bike!  What do u do?
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You run like it's nobodies buisness ! Then you hope the cops not stupid enough to kill people for a speeding ticket!
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+100. I normally don't condone running - but if my $10k+ investment is on the line then I'm grabbing gears and pinning it. Stupidest law ever - hopefully things like this crash will keep it from spreading to other states.
 
In Mo. Go over 100 mph and get a day in jail for each extra mph you go, plus the fine. Ouch on a Busa!!!!!
Guess I'll have to slow down some.
 
I know that I will sound stupid here.
I know that a LEO is a Law Enforcement Officer, but what the heck is a POS???
Duuuuuuuuuuuh.........
 
I think the Leo had very bad judgement and should be held accountable and if they ever catch the runner He should get the same !! Anyone that runs should lose thier licence for a few years and have major penalties for endangerment !
 
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