Manning up and holding it down...

In reference to your previous post: while the Muslim faith is beautiful conceptually, their track record of oppression (specifically of Women) is not very impressive. In truth all religions are wonderful until man begins to interpret them. Religion is the political exploitation of spirituality. The minute ones spiritual perspective becomes a way of collecting followers (a religion) it becomes a source of earthly power which is of course, absolutely corrupting. Government is a way of orienting groups of people here on earth. Religion is a way of orienting one's self in the universe. Until we understand that distinction, there will never be peace. In reference to the proceeding post: Genghis Kahn was a ***** cat compared to the scale on which our leaders kill (Obama included). History is painted from the perspective of the winners.
 
It's the dog test. Anything you would slip to the dog under the table while the wife is not looking men cook better. Cakes and pies are ruled by women. :laugh:
 
In reference to your previous post: while the Muslim faith is beautiful conceptually, their track record of oppression (specifically of Women) is not very impressive.

I hate to tell you this but what you see as oppression is what they see as protection. If a woman runneth astray it would destabilize the family and lead to social alienation. No dowries and no good suitors for the other daughters. Fact of the matter is that the perspective you have is due to your exposure to biased domestic media on a large scale and only small scale if any peer to peer socially derived knowledge. The man is the ultimate, protector, provider when it comes to his position as a natural person on this earth as he is meant to be by the divine being if you buy into that. Therefore, the man will make the decisions and these primarily are made during times of duress when there are great forces of marauders and raiders roaming the land. If a woman were to be uncovered in that kind of environment, she would fall prey to lawlessness and savagery. I think you get the picture without the more explicit buzzwords. The assimilated cultures which joined the faith brought their specific regional nuances and the way they succeed was precisely the practice of such apparently oppressive things.

Now, let's analyze the western practices and oppressive actions against women.
1. Burning at the stake for witchcraft
2. Drowning in rivers to see if they are witches
3. hanging
4. scarring,
5. enslaving into the sex trade,
6. beatings with abandon,
7. forcing them to work in the war industry because our irresponsible leaders allowed war to even happen with diplomacy or foresight,
8. abandonment into a life of single motherhood,

Now you see what they prevent by practicing a bit of brutality for the greater good. And polygamy is written into the faith with the origin being to take in a widow in order to provide for her and her children's needs while giving them an equal status in your home to your wife. Then, if you meet the criteria, you may take her as your wife as well.

In truth all religions are wonderful until man begins to interpret them. Religion is the political exploitation of spirituality. The minute ones spiritual perspective becomes a way of collecting followers (a religion) it becomes a source of earthly power which is of course, absolutely corrupting. Government is a way of orienting groups of people here on earth. Religion is a way of orienting one's self in the universe. Until we understand that distinction, there will never be peace.

This is true and guess what, it can be focused as a microscope onto the most oppressive religion on earth. The religion that motivates a country through political mass to commit atrocities around the world. That country is the one you and I call home.

In reference to the proceeding post: Genghis Kahn was a ***** cat compared to the scale on which our leaders kill (Obama included). History is painted from the perspective of the winners.

I admire his reproductive prowess. I saw a figure once that said that up to 33% of the population of Europe has some genetic material that came from Genghis Khan.
 
I hate to tell you this but what you see as oppression is what they see as protection. If a woman runneth astray it would destabilize the family and lead to social alienation. No dowries and no good suitors for the other daughters. Fact of the matter is that the perspective you have is due to your exposure to biased domestic media on a large scale and only small scale if any peer to peer socially derived knowledge. The man is the ultimate, protector, provider when it comes to his position as a natural person on this earth as he is meant to be by the divine being if you buy into that. Therefore, the man will make the decisions and these primarily are made during times of duress when there are great forces of marauders and raiders roaming the land. If a woman were to be uncovered in that kind of environment, she would fall prey to lawlessness and savagery. I think you get the picture without the more explicit buzzwords. The assimilated cultures which joined the faith brought their specific regional nuances and the way they succeed was precisely the practice of such apparently oppressive things.

Now, let's analyze the western practices and oppressive actions against women.
1. Burning at the stake for witchcraft
2. Drowning in rivers to see if they are witches
3. hanging
4. scarring,
5. enslaving into the sex trade,
6. beatings with abandon,
7. forcing them to work in the war industry because our irresponsible leaders allowed war to even happen with diplomacy or foresight,
8. abandonment into a life of single motherhood,

Now you see what they prevent by practicing a bit of brutality for the greater good. And polygamy is written into the faith with the origin being to take in a widow in order to provide for her and her children's needs while giving them an equal status in your home to your wife. Then, if you meet the criteria, you may take her as your wife as well.



This is true and guess what, it can be focused as a microscope onto the most oppressive religion on earth. The religion that motivates a country through political mass to commit atrocities around the world. That country is the one you and I call home.



I admire his reproductive prowess. I saw a figure once that said that up to 33% of the population of Europe has some genetic material that came from Genghis Khan.

Yeah, Yeah but who then are the best cooks?:laugh:
 
Seriously,

You are comparing religions to say this one is better. I am saying that bad things happen when any religion becomes a source of control and power. As I said, from spirituality comes self control, from government comes societal control. I don't believe any religion is better or wrose than another at being a government, nor is any one of them more or less suscetiple to corruption.

Also, your position that men are the natural provider is only true in an old world sense. Providing is no longer based on strength or other physical prowness, so a woman can be as good a provider as a man. The natural position of the man as the hunter and protector (provider) is actually based on the fact that men are expendable from a species standpoint, so they take on the more dangerous roles. For example, a man can impregnate 100 women in 9 months but a woman can only create one child in that same time. So, if the goal is procreation, a woman is 100 times more valuable than a man.
 
I agree to a point...

However, with the fact that most religions believe in the coming of the apocalypse or judgement day which is based on historical acts of nature or God depending on your stance, the time will come very soon in which physical prowess and ability to protect and provide will be the king sh*t defining factor for who's offspring thrive and who's do not. Also, from a savage standpoint, the surviving males will take on the burden of providing for the women and their children who are left behind when their non-viable and weak husbands depart due to the sword or starvation or death while searching for food either by hunting with no experience or attempting to steal from those who are better prepared with arms or cunning.

Shoot, you see it today with welfare and the WIC programs that are funded by tax dollars. Who implemented and funded these programs in their infancy?

Tell me again who is more valuable to the human species?

:whistle:

Seriously,

You are comparing religions to say this one is better. I am saying that bad things happen when any religion becomes a source of control and power. As I said, from spirituality comes self control, from government comes societal control. I don't believe any religion is better or wrose than another at being a government, nor is any one of them more or less suscetiple to corruption.

Also, your position that men are the natural provider is only true in an old world sense. Providing is no longer based on strength or other physical prowness, so a woman can be as good a provider as a man. The natural position of the man as the hunter and protector (provider) is actually based on the fact that men are expendable from a species standpoint, so they take on the more dangerous roles. For example, a man can impregnate 100 women in 9 months but a woman can only create one child in that same time. So, if the goal is procreation, a woman is 100 times more valuable than a man.
 
Shoot, you see it today with welfare and the WIC programs that are funded by tax dollars. Who implemented and funded these programs in their infancy?

Tell me again who is more valuable to the human species?

:whistle:

Oh please, enlighten me... :poke:
 
:moon: Eat me!!! :please:

If it makes you feel any better, when the world ends and I need someone to go out and kill wild beasts and cook for me, I'm looking for you after all of this macho talk :laugh:

Trust me, you'll be sorry :rofl:
 
Uh... Sorry, my harem of wayward women, single mothers and widows will be consuming all of my ultra manly greatness in the form of nightly orgies and feasts on the beast that I kill everyday..

I won't even have to wipe my own butt because my ho's will do that too.. :laugh:
 
Uh... Sorry, my harem of wayward women, single mothers and widows will be consuming all of my ultra manly greatness in the form of nightly orgies and feasts on the beast that I kill everyday..

I won't even have to wipe my own butt because my ho's will do that too.. :laugh:

:rofl:
 
And so ends the "high level" conversation thread..............

:laugh:

Frankly, I was getting a little tired of it anyway. I much prefer being silly to intelligent anyway!
 
And so ends the "high level" conversation thread..............

:laugh:

Frankly, I was getting a little tired of it anyway. I much prefer being silly to intelligent anyway!

I'm highly offended that you're insinuating I ruined this conversation Willie :whistle:

I really wanted Projekt to answer my question, but he was mean instead...I know where he lives, so he'll get his one day :laugh:
 
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