Mob rules

OB_maui

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Do you take bigger chances when you're in a pack of twenty bikes? Or when you're by your self? Can others push you beyond your limits? Do you have limits? Do you push others beyond their limits?
Are you willing to die/kill? Mostly, can we have a thread about bikes instead of cops and guns?

Flame away.
 
Until 4 years ago a portion of the people that I grew up with and associated with were criminal m.c. boys. We road everywere on harlies way over the speed limit,85-90 on all highways, split lanes, alot of badboy stuff.

I was never stopped in a pack and I saw police cars.

We were like invincible.

I was stopped a few times alone,(I ride alone because the people I sometimes ride with ride are sooo slow) and I was either let go or reiceved a warning.

But maybe this isn't the same.
 
A few weeks ago I saw an interesting example of what you are talking about. I was in my car on a two lane road and a group of sportbikes passd me. The lead was an R1 and was probaly doing 100 mph as he made a safe pass. The rest of the bikes were slower and by the time they all got passed me they were on the wrong side of the double yellow with traffic coming the other way. No accidents, but close.
 
Also we never caused any accidents or hurt any innocent women or children.

Also 4 out of 12 of those bad boys are in prison and the rest plus some new ones are under seeevere scrutiny by the f.c's.
 
Maybe thats what slow will do for you sherm.
I respect a lot of what you say.

On the 1st post I think I take more chances alone. When in a pack I tend to be more careful unless I'm leading. But then I still tend to watch out for the people behind me's sake. Unless I'm really wacked out.
 
Mob Rules? I love that album.

Are you kidding? Who hasn't seen bikes off in the distance on the highway......a whole group of them? Next thing you know you are doing a buck 20 to catch up adreniline pumping......jacked out of your tree.....invincible......that is part of what it is all about.

Can get stupid though. I was going through the city this summer late at night and caught up to a cbr 1000 and a gsxr 750. We were bangin gears light to light. We take off am in front of the gsxr and we are coming to a redlight. I get on the brakes look in the rear view mirror and see the clown on the gsxr trying to put his front wheel into my muffler and I can see the smoke from his panick brake. If I hadn't got back on the gas and brought my bike over he would have hit me. I was wondering what the hell he was doing cause we had to stop at the intersection cause cars were crossing. Did he think he was gonna jump them? We come up to the light and he babbles over the din of his aftermarket pipe that he almost hit me with a look on his face like he has a load in his pants. When the light turned green I quit the game and watched them take off and he pulled a wheelie like he just won Daytona. I am pretty sure that gsxr is in a bone yard by now, hopefully he is not dead. Situations like that remind you that even if you know your limits others don't and if they ride over their head they are more than happy to take you down with them.
 
i ALWAYS push it more when im with a group, but i dont ride over my skill level. In other words i drive faster and take corners faster than i would by myself cause im afraid of running into cops more when im the only bike than when im with a group.
 
Last year i was racing in a series where monthly trading of paint escalated into me parking a number of competitors on a race by race basis. Not wanting to get a rep for running people into wall's, etc. i tried to be gentle in my contact but still firm enough for the win if possible. Over several races one racer became very aggressive towards me and stated that he was going to beat me at all costs. After almost being killed in practice by this guy squaring off in front of me coming onto the front straight, i wondered if this guy was really aware of how hostile his on track behaviour towards me had become. Going into the first heat race this guy traded paint with me and at least three other guys for the lead in the first three laps. On the third lap we were lapping the first back marker when he got the blue flag and moved to the right for the lead pack to pass. My competitor was involved in a high speed rear end collision that shattered his front disk, severed his front rim from his frame and threw him in to a light pole at about 60 mph, head first. After lingering on life support for a couple of weeks (brain dead) my friend died. This tragedy has deeply affected my ability to relate to people. I think of this every day and try not to push anyone into a position where they feel the need to confront or challenge me. On bikes, on the street, or just messing around i am very aware of my space and the space of others. Sacred space. I ride alone, live alone and seldom speak to others. I hope to at least be able to start dating again and am starting to enjoy life. Just remember-Your last tetestorone fueled, macho, ego driven stunt may leave a life of misery for those that survive. I know i will never feel the same.
ducmanic
Los Angeles
 
DUCMANIC
Don,t know what to say ,its a very sad story but I understand keep you head up my friend the sun will shine again for you, I know!!!
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JAN
 
When I'm by myself in the country twisties I'm much more cautious than in a pack, knowing that if I lose it in a corner and no one sees the crash, I could end up face down in the mud with my bike on top of me and no one to help.

Or a lot worse. What a crap way to die...saying your final words to a raccoon.

But even so it's really tough to hold back on a perfect banked sweeper so I dive in and suffer fantasies of crashing alone all the way through it.

It's a perpetual conflict for me, and other than going to the track, there's only one remedy: ride with other people. Then you've got built-in medical services.

In a pack, the way I ride depends on the other guys. If it's a slow group, I grit my teeth and stay with them, firing off the occasional speed run or wheely and blasting through the occasional corner. But in this situation, I feel bad about sniping because the other guys prefer to ride slower and sniping makes me look show-off.

At the end of the day, even if I really like the guys, I subconsciously avoid riding with slow guys and in this way I rob myself of their company and whatever they're doing that day. I guess riding at least briskly is more important to me that any good time at the destination.

But a fast group is another thing. There's always at least one extra fast guy in a fast group, and I'll always find him and do WHATEVER it takes to beat him. This is where the hooligan fun starts for me and for him. If he's faster than me, I learn. If he's slower, it's still fast riding. If we're matched...perfect. And the group always enjoys it too because it makes them pick up the pace.

Riding with hooligan riders on the street makes me insane. A danger to myself and others. And there's nothing I can do to stop myself.

That's the riding I enjoy most. Even more than track racing.

Whenever I get home from a run like that, I mentally cross myself as I park the bike and an evil little smile crosses my mouth.

-Fool Injected Dirty Pete


[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 26 September 1999).]
 
A pack of bikes rarely gets stopped here and if so it is usually just warnings to slow down. I find unless you ride with the same guys everyweek it can be a little dangerous such as a fast squirrely pack filled with 18 yrs olds on 600's that have to prove to everyone how much they don't know. The pack I run with is all the Big Dogs R-1's,ZX-9's,gixxer 750's etc.. We as a group go Fast I mean really fast it is just plain fun. Everybody respect's each other's space and that is a key issue with pack riding is space. The pack is only as stong as the weakest link. This hold's so true to riding with a pack. I however think it is definitely more safe riding alone. If you want to evade tickets and go fast ride in a pack. They are both fun, God I love riding.
Turtle
 
Nothing against guys on 600's they are fun bikes too. I was just stereotyping.
 
I think you made a point about knowing each other as riders when you're in a fast pack.

That's crucial.

Like when you do a big pass on a 2-laner and another guy stays on your tail and you're going 160 mph and there's traffic coming the other way so you have to tuck back into traffic fast, the lead guy should tuck in and get immediately to the right side of the lane to let the follower into the left part of the lane NOW. I'm amazed how many guys don't get this.

Always using your turn indicators on lane changes no matter how fast you ride in a pack is important to me, too. I can't always get other guys to do this, but it's a religion with me.

What other fastpack riding etttiquette tips do you guys have?
 
1. If you're at a light and you're going to drag a friend, reaching across and pressing his kill switch to "off" just before you launch counts as a win. For this reason, always keep your competitors on your left at a light.

2. If you can suck another rider into a turn at a speed that's way over his head and he poops his drawers, he can't ask you to clean it up.

3. If 2 or more guys are doing the same thing at the same time and only one gets caught and fined, the others who didn't get caught have to contribute one share each to pay the fine.

4. Riders who either can't or who refuse to keep up better know where the group is going and what the route is...'cause you don't stop and wait for them.

5. Whoever rides out front has to push himself all the time. No lily dipping.

6. Arrive at the meeting point with a full tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7. Nobody suggests to anyone else that they are riding out of their depth and should maybe slow down. That's a personal decision.

8. If the cops show up...it's every man for himself.

9. No bringing passengers on fast rides.

10. Don't ride really hard for more than an hour or so. Stop and relax and re-engergize long enough for a couple of beers, maybe three or four. This will improve your average speeds a lot.

11. If you come upon another group of sport riders going slower than you, blast past them. They may get drawn into your pace and then it's double fun.

12. Home responsibilities are very easy to forget, so just let it happen.

13. Cops don't exist.
 
Duc

Sorry about your friend. You know it's not your fault. Any time you're on a track, you accept certain risks, including death. I've had a friend die at the track. I was not there, so I didn't see it. Real sorry about any one dying.

It seems that the consensus on how people act in groups is that there is more risk taking. There were also some good arguments for the extended safety in numbers, weather from each other or the bubble gum (police) dept. What seemed to be the biggest factor was who you ride with.

So, any more tips for riding in groups?


[This message has been edited by maui (edited 27 September 1999).]
 
I'll be riding in a big group later in October, but it'll probably be one of the safest/slowest rides I'll do ! The Japan Easy riders club will be doing a Sunday cruise with about 400 bikes, I have been invited to join them as I am a friend of one of the leading members. Sure I'll have to wear the brakes out a bit keeping the speed down for them, but there are some very nice girls here riding easy riders :)
 
In Texas, they just set on the side of the road with there lights on when we go by :) I guess he wants us to know he is there.

You bro, it sounds like you got the worse end of the deal on that one. Buck up lil' camper, You can only ride for yourself, he probably not the first and will not be the last to kill them selfs try'n to prove something. And geez if he didnt kill himself it sounds like he would have killed you to win...and "almost did"

And DP, that racoon thing was hilarious!!
 
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