MotoGP 2018

MotoGP in the new Michelin era has become more than ever about tire management. On one hand I hate these type of races because you don't get to see the goods until the final few laps. On the other it keeps the races tight and makes for some great late race battles.

And as much as Lorenzo and Dovi clearly hate one another, I thought it was pretty classy to see Lorenzo congratulating Dovi in Parc Ferme.
 
Race pace was pretty slow (for them) tyre management was paramount as No One wanted to bolt off early and run out of rubber at the end, post race interviews all three said 'they were managing them'.
The minor scuffle with George and Marc was good , i reckon if George had got ahead to the front a couple of laps earlier with his smooth fast corner speed he would have gapped AD & MM and won !
MM said the Ducatis top end speed not acceleration was where the Dukes advantage was....not looking good for anyone at the Red Bull Ring then.
 
So I just realized that Miguel Oliveira took over the points lead in Moto2 with his win over Rossi's Bro(half anyways) Luca Marini today. Really looking forward to seeing him ( and Bagnaia) in MotoGP next season! His Turn 1 pass in Mugello was among the most noteworthy I can remember in a long time!
 
So has racing become a contest of everyone gets a trophy? The best guy should win and the guy who figures out the system and exploits it should win, win big if he is that much better. I have not watched a single WSBK race this year and canceled my subscription because I will not support a race series that punishes excellence. Think about this: There have been very few advancements in the mechanical workings of bikes in years. So that incredible superbike you just bought is possible because of the electronics controlling internal combustion engines making horsepower levels we have know how to get for years. Manufacturers developed those electronics in racing. They were allowed to develop amazing new things and advance motorcycling through racing.

I guess the question is, is racing about a show or is it about raising the level of the stuff we can all buy?
 
fallenarch said:
So has racing become a contest of everyone gets a trophy? The best guy should win and the guy who figures out the system and exploits it should win, win big if he is that much better. I have not watched a single WSBK race this year and canceled my subscription because I will not support a race series that punishes excellence. Think about this: There have been very few advancements in the mechanical workings of bikes in years. So that incredible superbike you just bought is possible because of the electronics controlling internal combustion engines making horsepower levels we have know how to get for years. Manufacturers developed those electronics in racing. They were allowed to develop amazing new things and advance motorcycling through racing.

I guess the question is, is racing about a show or is it about raising the level of the stuff we can all buy?
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I never got a WSBK subscription cause they wouldnt supply ANY live coverage of FP or races ? ! Only a week after the event :mad:
Racing is a show/business , quite evident with limiting ECUs, aerodynamics,tyre man etc , close racing is what
makes it fun/exciting for us...dont want to go down the F1 route where winning comes down to pit stop strategies or a 1-2 horse race :crazy:
 
Haven't really watched WSBK in earnest for years. Dorna has mishandled the two series so badly it has seemingly ruined the parity the class once enjoyed. Anyway moving on...

Didn't know KTM tried(!) to roll out their new contra-rotating crankshaft engine in Brno. Didn't exactly work out, but they can't be accused of not trying.
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/ktm-engine-debuts-brno-crank/
 
fallenarch said:
So has racing become a contest of everyone gets a trophy? The best guy should win and the guy who figures out the system and exploits it should win, win big if he is that much better. I have not watched a single WSBK race this year and canceled my subscription because I will not support a race series that punishes excellence. Think about this: There have been very few advancements in the mechanical workings of bikes in years. So that incredible superbike you just bought is possible because of the electronics controlling internal combustion engines making horsepower levels we have know how to get for years. Manufacturers developed those electronics in racing. They were allowed to develop amazing new things and advance motorcycling through racing.

I guess the question is, is racing about a show or is it about raising the level of the stuff we can all buy?
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I think it all boils down to money... money spent winning races translates to sales at dealerships/sponsors products... and I dunno if the mechanical limits of the motors have been fully exploited yet.... im waiting on variable compression motors... we are seeing counter rotating crankshafts/flat plane cranks... what if the same cranks could actually slightly move on its axis... enabling variable compression? ever consider this? how far off it is is a giant question... but I could believe its possible...… and if the software was good enough... boosted applications would produce surreal top speeds.
 
ali123 said:
I think it all boils down to money... money spent winning races translates to sales at dealerships/sponsors products... and I dunno if the mechanical limits of the motors have been fully exploited yet.... im waiting on variable compression motors... we are seeing counter rotating crankshafts/flat plane cranks... what if the same cranks could actually slightly move on its axis... enabling variable compression? ever consider this? how far off it is is a giant question... but I could believe its possible...… and if the software was good enough... boosted applications would produce surreal top speeds.
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They are allowed 7 engines for the entire race season so as one way to help keep costs down, i cant see them getting all fancy with what your suggesting. Software is unified so everyones got
the same but some teams are better then others at developing it.
Can you imagine how many laps these engines do at full noise all the time each race weekend, theres 4 free practices upto 2 qualifying sessions and a morning session before the race and then theres a few allowed tests days..
 
Cantab said:
They are allowed 7 engines for the entire race season so as one way to help keep costs down, i cant see them getting all fancy with what your suggesting. Software is unified so everyones got
the same but some teams are better then others at developing it.
Can you imagine how many laps these engines do at full noise all the time each race weekend, theres 4 free practices upto 2 qualifying sessions and a morning session before the race and then theres a few allowed tests days..
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I was speaking about a fundamental engine advancement the world hasn't seen before.... variable compression...…..
 
ali123 said:
I think it all boils down to money... money spent winning races translates to sales at dealerships/sponsors products... and I dunno if the mechanical limits of the motors have been fully exploited yet.... im waiting on variable compression motors... we are seeing counter rotating crankshafts/flat plane cranks... what if the same cranks could actually slightly move on its axis... enabling variable compression? ever consider this? how far off it is is a giant question... but I could believe its possible...… and if the software was good enough... boosted applications would produce surreal top speeds.
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Winning races does not sell bikes, that is a well worn myth. The best MotoGP bike right now is Honda and the can't give those pig CBR's away. Kawasaki is it in WSBK and they aren't anywhere near top in sales. The manufacturers themselves say they race to develop technology. Controlling the electronics really cuts into the development and that's why the big three fought it so hard, several even threatening to withdraw.
 
ali123 said:
I was speaking about a fundamental engine advancement the world hasn't seen before.... variable compression...…..
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Explain the advantage of variable compression vs the weight and complexity it would add? Change the compression and you must change the spark, intake mix, and probably octane to really take advantage. Are you suggesting a different compression ratio at different RPM's? Seems with a variable compression capability you would set it based on gas, but not actively vary it.

What exactly do you see as the advantage of this?
 
bigoltool said:
Anyone see the new Fairing/Front Fender Rossi tested yesterday? Good god this is just getting ridiculous.
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Lol!

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