Motorcycle Killed My Son

[Tufbusa]

What I want to know is, who in the hell is going to pay a 20 year old kid heading off to college $90K a year while attending college? I had no idea government benifits paid that well?

I'm sorry for her loss but I'm thinking this ole gal may have a couple of loose screws? Goofy woman on a mission to ban or restrict "Crotch Rockets" to make them totally idiot proof. Kids kill themselves on skate boards as well so why not include them in with "Crotch Rockets"?

I'm confussed as to what he was riding? Aparently he was not wearing a helmet because as he left his house he turned to smile at his friends then turned his head to see a semi turning in front of him. Slid 280 feet? Maybe he really was on a "Crotch Rocket" to reach triple digits within a city block? Too bad the kid was killed as Ricky Gadston would have had some serious competition.

I could be wrong but the ole gal's statement appears to be full of exagerations? I do feel for her loss. I couldn't imagine loosing one of my kids. However, most of us know how inherently dangerous these machines are and accept that risk. On average, about 14 people die on motorcycles in the USA each and every day, 365 days a year. Most are a result of bad judgment by the rider. Her son just happened to be one of them.

RIP Young Man!

 

[jefferycarman]

Here is the story from the accident

Graham man killed in motorcycle accident

Graham man killed in motorcycle accident
Friday, September 28, 2007
Chris Hunnewell



A local man was killed Thursday night when his motorcycle ran into a semi-truck trailer just south of Fort Worth.
Max Valdez, 20, was riding southbound shortly before midnight on a 2007 Yamaha motorcycle on Old Burleson Road 14 miles south of Fort Worth where he ran a stop sign and struck the trailer of Kenworth model truck traveling east on Garden Acres Road.
Preliminary reports, explained Fort Worth Police traffic investigation unit Sgt. Rodney Bangs, revealed the intersection was not lighted, but road conditions were dry. The motorcycle driver, he added, tried to stop, but under rode the cycle into the trailer.



“Investigators,â€￾ Bangs said, “found over 200 feet of skid marks left from the motorcycle prior to the impact point.â€￾
Valdez was taken by ambulance to John Peter Smith Hospital where a medical examiner pronounced him dead at 12 a.m.
Officers, Bangs explained, are continuing to investigate the accident.

 

[Lycan]

Last year, we welcomed transplants from Puerto Rico to MD, they were recruited from the PR Police Department to come work in Baltimore. One of the Acedemy recruits was excited that a fellow officer in PR that he graduated academy and worked with had decided to come here to become an officer as well. I remember welcoming him at the party, being proud that one of my fellow compatiots chose MD to settle and look for opportunity as I di many years ago.
2 weeks later, he took our friend Hectors bike for a "quick spin" around the block when Hector went inside, the bike I guess looked too pretty sitting in the driveway after just being cleaned.
I should mention that he had ridden sportbikes for many year in Puerto Rico, and in spite of this he jumped on it without saying a word and took off for spin around the block. While traveling northbound on the next block, he swerved to avoid a car in his lane, the bike lowsided and he was only stopped by the impact against the stop sign post, which unfortunately, all but cut him in two, he died on the spot.
We are all still saddened by the loss, we remember him fondly,but were still pizzed at HIS stupid mistake that cost him his life,and for the 2 daughters and wife he left behind.
He was 1 week away from starting the acedamy here...what a loss, idiot..

 

[SAMBUSA]

So how fast would someone be going to leave 200 ft of skid marks before impact?

 

[jefferycarman]

I will point out that he was speeding, not wearing gear and ran a stop sign...

 

[MET]

No offense but her kid died because he was an idiot.

NO OFFENSE TAKEN, but you are right also.

 

[werdkat]

Maybe the gene pool needed some Clorox. There I said it. Flame on.

There is no difference in having a loved one killed by way of *insert weapon of choice*. You can't insert a "smart" chip into the device. I mean, vehicles/motorcycles have been idiot proofed to the point of ridiculousness. Idiot lights for when you have low blinker fluid, ya know? Some are good but most are to ease the minds of the people that can’t change brake lights.

So I was reading the article and there was not a mention of the type of sport bike…err strike that Crotch Rocket….he rode briefly. I have wrecked before, I will wreck again. Why did you wreck you may ask…well the answer is…wait for it…rider STUPIDITY…even when guy in the 4 door Chevy 4x4 that wanted my lane decided to run me off the road…I could have handled that situation better if I had more…what is it? Experience. A MSF class would have done me well. You know shortly after that incident actually I went and took the MSF classes and became a much better rider.

Not everyone can ride, and those that do ride there is a large percentage that should not. Point blank. Some questions that come to my mind, what gear was he wearing…if any, how fast was he really going? I am sure he would have had ample time to stop if hadn’t been trying to, going out on a limb here, show out for his buddies. Why was he accelerating in a neighborhood @ 11:40 at night!?! I guess I should be thankful it wasn’t during the day or after school let out so he could show out for the kiddies that want him to pop wheelies.

I ride my bikes every day. I am a husband, a father to 3, a son, and a brother. I have ridden motorcycles ever since I was in the womb. I treat every time I go out on my bike as a time I might not return. You have a certain responsibility when on that steed. If you fail to show respect and caution, I believe the words too comfortable could even be used; bad things might and will eventually happen. I do feel for her loss as any parent would. But as an avid biker/parent I have to say stupidity and negligence was the issue not the “crotch rocketâ€.

Until a law is passed you are still ultimately responsible for your own demise. Human stupidity will find a way to trump preventative measures any day of the week.

 

[jefferycarman]

Maybe the gene pool needed some Clorox. There I said it. Flame on.

There is no difference in having a loved one killed by way of *insert weapon of choice*. You can't insert a "smart" chip into the device. I mean, vehicles/motorcycles have been idiot proofed to the point of ridiculousness. Idiot lights for when you have low blinker fluid, ya know? Some are good but most are to ease the minds of the people that can’t change brake lights.

So I was reading the article and there was not a mention of the type of sport bike…err strike that Crotch Rocket….he rode briefly. I have wrecked before, I will wreck again. Why did you wreck you may ask…well the answer is…wait for it…rider STUPIDITY…even when guy in the 4 door Chevy 4x4 that wanted my lane decided to run me off the road…I could have handled that situation better if I had more…what is it? Experience. A MSF class would have done me well. You know shortly after that incident actually I went and took the MSF classes and became a much better rider.

Not everyone can ride, and those that do ride there is a large percentage that should not. Point blank. Some questions that come to my mind, what gear was he wearing…if any, how fast was he really going? I am sure he would have had ample time to stop if hadn’t been trying to, going out on a limb here, show out for his buddies. Why was he accelerating in a neighborhood @ 11:40 at night!?! I guess I should be thankful it wasn’t during the day or after school let out so he could show out for the kiddies that want him to pop wheelies.

I ride my bikes every day. I am a husband, a father to 3, a son, and a brother. I have ridden motorcycles ever since I was in the womb. I treat every time I go out on my bike as a time I might not return. You have a certain responsibility when on that steed. If you fail to show respect and caution, I believe the words too comfortable could even be used; bad things might and will eventually happen. I do feel for her loss as any parent would. But as an avid biker/parent I have to say stupidity and negligence was the issue not the “crotch rocketâ€.

Until a law is passed you are still ultimately responsible for your own demise. Human stupidity will find a way to trump preventative measures any day of the week.

Well stated. All I could dig up was that it was a Yamaha... so it couldn't have been that fast right?

But seriously, 200 ft of skid marks means he was flying along. No way he could have stopped for the stop sign he blew through to hit the truck. Several bad decisions on his part.

 

[skydivr]

A mother's grief - going way overboard.

 

[thrasherfox]

I know I am probably going to get slammed by everyone for this statement, however:

I feel it is our responsibility as a motorcycle community to ensure the safety of other riders, at least if nothing else young riders who have no experience.

I am speaking from personal experience of over 25 years of riding. Including my first accident that happened when I was 21, I had my first motorcycle for 3 months and I smacked a school bus when it pulled out in front of me.

We can sit around and call these young people stupid, say they lack common sense etc etc etc. but from my point of view, most of the accidents you hear about are young males.

What do young males have coursing through there body more of than anything else and more than females do and more than older people do?

It is a thing called testosterone. It makes you feel invincible, it makes you want to take chances to experience thrills, it overrides common sense and over rides proper judgment.

You combine all this with lack of experience and it is a recipe for disaster.

And because of gas prices going up it is cheaper to ride a motorcycle and I think this is one of many factors more and more people are riding motorcycles

I feel the ultimate solution is a stepped motorcycle endorsement system similar but not exactly like the EU.

I think under a certain age (maybe 25?) you can only ride up to a 125cc motorcycle for the first 2 years of riding. And then I would incorporate a few more steps before ever being allowed on more powerful bikes.

I think a law should be passed that would force dealerships to verify proper endorsement before selling a motorcycle to someone..

I think certain protective gear laws should be passed, mainly I feel it should be a law to wear a helmet in all the states

And I have a few other ideas on this subject.

I honestly feel not only would this save lives, I also feel it would be a way to get insurance rates to go down. I honestly feel this would have enough of a positive impact on saving lives that ALL of our insurance rates would go down.

I know this probably wont sit well with most of the younger riders on the board, but all my years of riding this is the only solution I see that could have an impact, you can throw all the training at young riders you want, and talk to them all you want but more often than not their testosterone will get the better of them and they will push whatever they have to its limits. And if they dont have the experiance or skill level to handle that, it usually will end up bad. And your skill only comes from riding, you cant get it in a one day course, or even a 1 week course, they help, but it takes years of riding, having people cut you off, things jump out in front of you. tires going flat while riding to aquire the skills to survive

And no this isn’t a silver bullet that will prevent all deaths and stop all stupidity, even at my age I still do stupid things but I usually do a mental risk assessment before hand and actually weigh the risks involved. Young people.. well they often have the Nike mentality, “Just do it”


Anyones thoughts or inputs?

 

[Mr Bogus]

200 ft of skid marks AFTER he blew the stop sign.... I cringe when I "roll" a stop.. but I did find a site with a motorcycle skid formula.. here is the output

assuming a 30mph impact the kid was running between 90-100 mph according to the calculator..

http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/images/SkidAnalysisV02_01_07.xls

 

[Mr Bogus]

I know I am probably going to get slammed by everyone for this statement, however:

I feel it is our responsibility as a motorcycle community to ensure the safety of other riders, at least if nothing else young riders who have no experience.

I am speaking from personal experience of over 25 years of riding. Including my first accident that happened when I was 21, I had my first motorcycle for 3 months and I smacked a school bus when it pulled out in front of me.

We can sit around and call these young people stupid, say they lack common sense etc etc etc. but from my point of view, most of the accidents you hear about are young males.

What do young males have coursing through there body more of than anything else and more than females do and more than older people do?

It is a thing called testosterone. It makes you feel invincible, it makes you want to take chances to experience thrills, it overrides common sense and over rides proper judgment.

You combine all this with lack of experience and it is a recipe for disaster.

And because of gas prices going up it is cheaper to ride a motorcycle and I think this is one of many factors more and more people are riding motorcycles

I feel the ultimate solution is a stepped motorcycle endorsement system similar but not exactly like the EU.

I think under a certain age (maybe 25?) you can only ride up to a 125cc motorcycle for the first 2 years of riding. And then I would incorporate a few more steps before ever being allowed on more powerful bikes.

I think a law should be passed that would force dealerships to verify proper endorsement before selling a motorcycle to someone..

I think certain protective gear laws should be passed, mainly I feel it should be a law to wear a helmet in all the states

And I have a few other ideas on this subject.

I honestly feel not only would this save lives, I also feel it would be a way to get insurance rates to go down. I honestly feel this would have enough of a positive impact on saving lives that ALL of our insurance rates would go down.

I know this probably wont sit well with most of the younger riders on the board, but all my years of riding this is the only solution I see that could have an impact, you can throw all the training at young riders you want, and talk to them all you want but more often than not their testosterone will get the better of them and they will push whatever they have to its limits. And if they dont have the experiance or skill level to handle that, it usually will end up bad. And your skill only comes from riding, you cant get it in a one day course, or even a 1 week course, they help, but it takes years of riding, having people cut you off, things jump out in front of you. tires going flat while riding to aquire the skills to survive

And no this isn’t a silver bullet that will prevent all deaths and stop all stupidity, even at my age I still do stupid things but I usually do a mental risk assessment before hand and actually weigh the risks involved. Young people.. well they often have the Nike mentality, “Just do itâ€￾


Anyones thoughts or inputs?

I think most know my views on the "Supersport/Hyperbike" training bike issue....

interesting enough fully 1/3 of the guys that answered my poll (and that I was able to glean from posts) and bought a "Busa First" discouraged it... They felt it was not a good beginner bike...

 

[Garrison]

“When he gunned itâ€￾

There, you dumb b!tch, you even said it yourself.
A motorcycle didn't kill your son, your son's incompetence, ineptitude, and indiscretion killed him. Don't blame suzuki just cause your kid has a heavy wrist and the attention span of a goldfish.

 

[SAMBUSA]

I know I am probably going to get slammed by everyone for this statement, however:

I feel it is our responsibility as a motorcycle community to ensure the safety of other riders, at least if nothing else young riders who have no experience.

I am speaking from personal experience of over 25 years of riding. Including my first accident that happened when I was 21, I had my first motorcycle for 3 months and I smacked a school bus when it pulled out in front of me.

We can sit around and call these young people stupid, say they lack common sense etc etc etc. but from my point of view, most of the accidents you hear about are young males.

What do young males have coursing through there body more of than anything else and more than females do and more than older people do?

It is a thing called testosterone. It makes you feel invincible, it makes you want to take chances to experience thrills, it overrides common sense and over rides proper judgment.

You combine all this with lack of experience and it is a recipe for disaster.

And because of gas prices going up it is cheaper to ride a motorcycle and I think this is one of many factors more and more people are riding motorcycles

I feel the ultimate solution is a stepped motorcycle endorsement system similar but not exactly like the EU.

I think under a certain age (maybe 25?) you can only ride up to a 125cc motorcycle for the first 2 years of riding. And then I would incorporate a few more steps before ever being allowed on more powerful bikes.

I think a law should be passed that would force dealerships to verify proper endorsement before selling a motorcycle to someone..

I think certain protective gear laws should be passed, mainly I feel it should be a law to wear a helmet in all the states

And I have a few other ideas on this subject.

I honestly feel not only would this save lives, I also feel it would be a way to get insurance rates to go down. I honestly feel this would have enough of a positive impact on saving lives that ALL of our insurance rates would go down.

I know this probably wont sit well with most of the younger riders on the board, but all my years of riding this is the only solution I see that could have an impact, you can throw all the training at young riders you want, and talk to them all you want but more often than not their testosterone will get the better of them and they will push whatever they have to its limits. And if they dont have the experiance or skill level to handle that, it usually will end up bad. And your skill only comes from riding, you cant get it in a one day course, or even a 1 week course, they help, but it takes years of riding, having people cut you off, things jump out in front of you. tires going flat while riding to aquire the skills to survive

And no this isn’t a silver bullet that will prevent all deaths and stop all stupidity, even at my age I still do stupid things but I usually do a mental risk assessment before hand and actually weigh the risks involved. Young people.. well they often have the Nike mentality, “Just do itâ€￾


Anyones thoughts or inputs?

Okay, so how do you get thru to young guys about simple things like wearing gear? I've been hounding my Conductor at work who rides a Hardly about wearing gear. After months and months, he just recently bought a leather jacket but only for longer rides. The only skid lid he has is one that I gave him. One of those brain buckets that aren't DOT approved. I was hoping that he would start wearing it and get used to it. Then realize, "Hey, wearing a lid isn't all that bad. I think I'll go buy one that will make a difference." No such luck

So how do you get thru to them?

 

[Rayabusa0818]

The key question is how te get young riders to listen? I wish I knew the answer to that one.

This is very sad, but it seems like the mom has a very biased interpretation of the facts

 

[Mr Bogus]

Okay, so how do you get thru to young guys about simple things like wearing gear? I've been hounding my Conductor at work who rides a Hardly about wearing gear. After months and months, he just recently bought a leather jacket but only for longer rides. The only skid lid he has is one that I gave him. One of those brain buckets that aren't DOT approved. I was hoping that he would start wearing it and get used to it. Then realize, "Hey, wearing a lid isn't all that bad. I think I'll go buy one that will make a difference." No such luck

So how do you get thru to them?

you dont... this is where we get our rights trounced by the govt trying to legislate stupidity out of society..

can not be done.. this is the same guy that WAY back when would have been carrying his bronto burger over his shoulder running through the T-Rex feeding grounds...

"blink" scrub a dumb one from the evolutionary role....

 

[rubber2burn]

I know I am probably going to get slammed by everyone for this statement, however:

I feel it is our responsibility as a motorcycle community to ensure the safety of other riders, at least if nothing else young riders who have no experience.

I am speaking from personal experience of over 25 years of riding. Including my first accident that happened when I was 21, I had my first motorcycle for 3 months and I smacked a school bus when it pulled out in front of me.

We can sit around and call these young people stupid, say they lack common sense etc etc etc. but from my point of view, most of the accidents you hear about are young males.

What do young males have coursing through there body more of than anything else and more than females do and more than older people do?

It is a thing called testosterone. It makes you feel invincible, it makes you want to take chances to experience thrills, it overrides common sense and over rides proper judgment.

You combine all this with lack of experience and it is a recipe for disaster.

And because of gas prices going up it is cheaper to ride a motorcycle and I think this is one of many factors more and more people are riding motorcycles

I feel the ultimate solution is a stepped motorcycle endorsement system similar but not exactly like the EU.

I think under a certain age (maybe 25?) you can only ride up to a 125cc motorcycle for the first 2 years of riding. And then I would incorporate a few more steps before ever being allowed on more powerful bikes.

I think a law should be passed that would force dealerships to verify proper endorsement before selling a motorcycle to someone..

I think certain protective gear laws should be passed, mainly I feel it should be a law to wear a helmet in all the states

And I have a few other ideas on this subject.

I honestly feel not only would this save lives, I also feel it would be a way to get insurance rates to go down. I honestly feel this would have enough of a positive impact on saving lives that ALL of our insurance rates would go down.

I know this probably wont sit well with most of the younger riders on the board, but all my years of riding this is the only solution I see that could have an impact, you can throw all the training at young riders you want, and talk to them all you want but more often than not their testosterone will get the better of them and they will push whatever they have to its limits. And if they dont have the experiance or skill level to handle that, it usually will end up bad. And your skill only comes from riding, you cant get it in a one day course, or even a 1 week course, they help, but it takes years of riding, having people cut you off, things jump out in front of you. tires going flat while riding to aquire the skills to survive

And no this isn’t a silver bullet that will prevent all deaths and stop all stupidity, even at my age I still do stupid things but I usually do a mental risk assessment before hand and actually weigh the risks involved. Young people.. well they often have the Nike mentality, “Just do itâ€￾


Anyones thoughts or inputs?

You have some great points there Thrasher and I agree with most of them I just want to be grandfathered that way I can keep the Busa

 

[thrasherfox]

Okay, so how do you get thru to young guys about simple things like wearing gear? I've been hounding my Conductor at work who rides a Hardly about wearing gear. After months and months, he just recently bought a leather jacket but only for longer rides. The only skid lid he has is one that I gave him. One of those brain buckets that aren't DOT approved. I was hoping that he would start wearing it and get used to it. Then realize, "Hey, wearing a lid isn't all that bad. I think I'll go buy one that will make a difference." No such luck

So how do you get thru to them?

Well as I said before, for the most part you cant. for the guy at your work, maybe dig up some road rash pitcures of what can happen without gear, but usually for a person to be impacted enough to make a change in their own life they have to experiance it first hand, either themselves or someone close to them. If not we all (especially us males) have the mind set of "it will never happen to me"

That is why I am saying if people really want to try and impact the system to try and save more of our kids lives you have to create an environment that wont allow their testosertone to put themselves in a dangerous situation.

And I dont like government control any more than anyone else. I probably hate it more. I think our gun laws are all hosed up and need to be reworked. But I think in our current situation where more and more people are buying motorcycles that there is a growing problem that needs to be addressed

As much as it pains me to even consider cracking down on the motorcycle community, but at this time I think it needs to be done to protect young riders from themselves

 

[thrasherfox]

this is the same guy that WAY back when would have been carrying his bronto burger over his shoulder running through the T-Rex feeding grounds...

"blink" scrub a dumb one from the evolutionary role....

DUDE!! I am fricken rolling on the floor!!!

 

[JINKSTER]

This should generate some lively discussion.


Mom: Motorcycle killed my son


“It’s really, really hard,” she said. “I miss him so bad. But if my son had to die, maybe someone else will listen.”

I'm listening...and at the risk of sounding a tad heartless?...i will express my realistic views and opines...as follows...

Mom: Motorcycle killed my son
Friday, September 19, 2008
David Rupkalvis


Max Valdez

By David Rupkalvis
editor@grahamleader.com


Almost one year ago, Cyndi Martin learned firsthand how dangerous high-speed motorcycles known as crotch rockets can be.
On Sept. 27, 2007, Martin’s life was turned upside down when her son, Max Valdez, was killed riding a crotch rocket.

The term..."Crotch Rocket": is no more than "name calling" by the ignorant...just like any "Sportsmen" can die participating in any sport without at least reading and learning a little bit about it first.

The difference on that night was Valdez was riding a crotch rocket for the first time.

"on that night?...."First Time!"....wtf!

Max Valdez grew up riding motorcycles, excelling on dirt tracks.
“He rode dirt bikes, raced them for years,” Martin said. “But this isn’t a bike. Those things will go zero to 60 in four seconds.”

So...the fact that EVERYONE KNEW that the differences between dirt biking and street biking were worlds apart we still let this kid ride one for....the first time...at night?...again...wtf.


That speed is what killed Valdez. Martin said he bought his motorcycle at 6 p.m. on Sept. 27, drove around for a little bit and came home. At 11:45 p.m., he went out with two friends, accelerated down the street, smiled back at his friends and turned around to see a semi-truck turning in front of him.

okay...back to the "reading and learning before you do" thing again...MOST/ANY 2-wheeled rider at all knows better than to...


"accelerated down the street, smiled back at his friends "

the streets ain't no dirtbike sandbox where if ya fall down and go boom at 25 or so ya typically don't wind up going to the hospital or getting airlifted out...and for bonus points?...ya fall in sand/dirt...screw up in the many risks of the street at 25mph?...and 6 months later you might still be in ICU with your family having to decide wether to "pull the plug" or not....but somehow we let this kid try it for his first time at night?...such a shame...and i mean that.


On a normal motorcycle, that would have been fine,but with the acceleration rate of a crotch rocket, Valdez was going too fast to stop. He did the only thing he could to try to save his life, dropping the motorcycle and trying to slide under the semi. Instead, Valdez hit his head on the truck, sliding 280 feet before he stopped.

hmmm...really now...i guess a normal HD's light-weight frame and badazz brakes would've helped him decellerate faster somehow?...interesting...the way i see it?...he was on a sportbike...capable of stopping/turning/handling on a dime and giving you 9cents change..in other words...his ability to EVADE such a situation on a sportbike....would already be..."enhanced"...so to speak.



Martin said. “I was very broken. My first thought the day after Max passed away was I thought about God. I told God, ‘I now know how you felt when you let your son die. I know how your heart was broken.’ I locked myself in my house for 11 months.”

sounds to me like..."pentence paid"...for being a bit to permissive in not insisting that a bit of research be done before he tried it for the first time....at night.


Martin has raised three boys and all of them are very special to her. But Max was her best friend. Even as an adult, he would sit with his mom and tell secrets, sharing the biggest details in life.
When he died, he was on the verge of making a big leap in his life. As an oil-field worker, Valdez had distinguished himself to the point the company wanted to invest in his future.
“He was to leave the next week, making $90,000 a year and going to college,” Martin said. “The only thing he was waiting for was to find a way to tell me. He told me on Thursday and died on Friday.”

"oh-the drama"...


That Friday marked a dramatic change in Martin’s life.

see?..."drama"...toldya so...

She not only lost her son and her best friend, but she began a mission to find out everything she could about crotch rockets.

OOOHHhhh...i see...sooo nooooowwww we decide to read up and learn a little bit..again...sad "after-the-fact" irony in my book.

“He was a beautiful kid,” Martin said. “He was the ultimate small town kid."

he wouldn't have been "the ultimate small town kid" had that been a 12 year old little girl walking home from a friends house instead of a semi.

After the initial shock wore off, Martin began looking into how her son died —

again...poor timing with "the research".

specifically concentrating on the vehicle he was riding.

Why?...what if he was riding in a mustang gt...or?..a snowmobile...or?...a freaking skateboard or?...sky-diving or?...pleasure boating/jet ski-ing..sorry but..."accelerating while looking back and smiling"?....doesn't bode well with any of those "dangerous sports" either.


I'm truely sorry for your loss...however...i'm more appauled at the level of ignorance that took place here with as much contempt for your effort to outlaw the freedoms which wiser, more responsible folk still enjoy.

Geese...i wish the folk who would like "More Government Regulation" would concentrate on other issues such as...

Regulating Oil Profits, Lending Practies, Lobbyist or dang...even global warming...as i'm certain the elimination of "crotch rockets" ain't gonna pass house...and even if it did?...we'd just fall back to the "Caf'e Racer" era all over again!

Truth be known?...with "No Motorcycle Endorsement" on his D.L.?...ya'll were already breaking the law AND?..."ODDS OF SURVIVAL" from jump street.

L8R, Bill.