Naked man tasered

[Mr Bogus]

Sure a lot of judgment and condemnation coming from a single short cell phone video..

a few things come to mind..

the guy is a mental case
he has an 8 foot long 1.25" diameter "coring" tool
he has an officer pinned on the stairs directly above/in front of him

Have no idea what he was saying or if the officer had a valid escape route... BUT if the officer on the ground felt that officer on the stairs was about to get seriously hurt or killed? I say he did the right thing...

Yes, anyone/everyone can/does make poor decisions but I think I will leave the verdict on this one to those that were right there....

 

[Mr Bogus]

ok, guess you were posting while I was thinking about this one ... ^^^^ What he said..

 

[UncleSteve]

To be in LE should require a 4 year degree. Many people lack good decision making skills (under stress or whatever) but when that person is given this amount of power people can die and that is UNACCEPTABLE.

Police work is a calling ... you either have it or you don't. Those that get into it for other reasons normally don't last, they quit and go into better paying careers.

People with a four year degree don't want a career in LE.

They want to make $100,000 a year and have a normal life.

 

[semperfi]

I have no police training whatsoever, but know enough to handle that without killing the guy. It was just stupid. Those cops should be fired.

 

[Mr Bogus]

I have no police training whatsoever, but know enough to handle that without killing the guy. It was just stupid. Those cops should be fired.

I am not saying it was right or wrong, I am saying none of us is in a spot to say either way...

arm chair quarterbacking a decision like that based on a cell phone video?

If some nutcase was going to run my friend or co-worker through with a glass coring tool, I would have used my gun... heck with taser...

gotta wait for the facts to come out.. if he was wrong, I am pretty sure it will be known...

 

[dadofthree]

it is my job to deal with all of the above ppl except the pure evil part of society..i have worked in medical (pharmacy)in an Army hospital for over 11 yrs. we deal with the best and the worst my friend. so dont get it twisted and get a holier than thou attitude. the cops are supposed to be trained for these situations. they should be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average joe. if we cant trust them to handle it appropriately, who can we trust?

this is not to say that all cops are bad. i think a great deal of them are great at their job. but wouldn't any cop want to disassociate themselves with cops like this instead of defend them?

Everyone, and especially you need to walk in those shoes. There's a reason that juries must place themselves in the officers situation instead of doing the Monday morning review when deliberating these cases. It may have well been in poor judgement. We'll never know......................

 

[dadofthree]

I have no police training whatsoever, but know enough to handle that without killing the guy. It was just stupid. Those cops should be fired.

You're probably right, but we'll never know the truth about this event. Cops often are fired, criminally charged/go to trial/and get convicted. The department gets sued and the cop has civil liability as well.

It's not a career I tell people to get into.

 

[05BUSABLU]

take a walk in those shoes...


well does the fact that my wife and i have both served in the Army doing war time count? you think that cops are the only ones that get put in those situations? you think that they are the only ones that are spit on and never respected? of course you only hear about the bad. welcome to any job in this country. when you do good no one cares because you are only doing your job. when you do bad the **** starts to fly and everyone hears about it. the cops do not hold the monopoly on this. triggers shouldn't be pulled unless it was a last resort... this was not a last resort issue. do you really think that when soldiers hear about other soldiers in iraq raping/degrading/killing people they really sit there and say, "maybe we should take a step back. we don't know the whole story"? most of them try to distance themselves and say, "whoa, ****ed up. if they did it i hope they fry. we're not all like that."

 

[CTA_Busa_LE]

To be in LE should require a 4 year degree. Many people lack good decision making skills (under stress or whatever) but when that person is given this amount of power people can die and that is UNACCEPTABLE.

I can tell you this much, I have a college degree and there is a huge difference between what is taught in college and the actual job itself. No amount of classroom work will ever equal a couple years of street experience. No college class will ever make a person 100% correct on every decision, it can't be done. Go spend 4 years in college then get a job in law enforcement and tell me your opinion of the matter, especially when you realize you are only making 25-35k per year. Or better yet why not write a letter to your mayor or sheriff and tell them that you are willing to pay increased taxes so that your town or county can hire only those with college degrees.

 

[05BUSABLU]

I can tell you this much, I have a college degree and there is a huge difference between what is taught in college and the actual job itself. No amount of classroom work will ever equal a couple years of street experience. No college class will ever make a person 100% correct on every decision, it can't be done.



this i dont doubt at all.....nothing can nor will compare to o.j.t

 

[shawnski]

there are alot of good cops and some bad ones among them.
my biggest worries or concern would be what if the phone camera has not caught the video of the incident? would they cover it up with some kind of bull sh##. how many of these incidents happens every day in different places and we never get to see it?

 

[Narcissus]

Dude, that is totally f'ed up.

 

[teamorion22]

I understand cta dadof3 and 159. But it doesnt matter how bad his job is or how many horrible people he has dealt with or any of that. This is its own situation reguardless of how the officer felt that day or what a good or bad cop he is. If there is enough evidence (which there appears to be) both the leo that fired the taz and ordering leo should face charges and then the truth shall set you free. Its a bad deal all around and of we do not know all the details. I will say again if my friend and I are walking and a guy hits my friend with a light bulb or whatever that was and i taz him and he dies i am in jail and they are not going to let me walk free while the facts come out or whatever.

On a different note to "obey authority" is an issue that is very interesting to me. (As far as who gave the order or who went through with the order)
What do you guys think? Should they both be in trouble or one or the other? And is one to blame more than the other?

 

[teamorion22]

I also understand that his job puts him in these situations and he is trusted to make the correct move or decision. And those of us not in le will never understand what its like. But like hyman roth says "this is the business we've chosen."
Again prevention is better than cure and there is nothing that can undo this or bring this guy back to life. Hopefully we'll see what happens from here but we may not. Who knows?
I hope I haven't ruffled anyone's feathers.

 

[teamorion22]

In 1999 four officers killed Amadou Diallo.
Officers in Bronx Fire 41 Shots, And an Unarmed Man Is Killed - New York Times
I believe this case resulted in no longer allowing 4 officers riding together. You can read about it in a book called Blink. Great book. Its about trusting your subconscience and making split decisions, good stuff.
I am soooo bored

 

[bigoltool]

This didn't end well. Cop made a mistake but then the frigging media got hold of it and blew it all out of proportion!
Official: Cop commits suicide after stun gun death - CNN.com

 

[shean1]

Just FYI for all..
The NYPD Emergency Service Lieutenant that gave the order to fire the taser at the mentally disturbed individual last week, committed suicide this morning here in NYC..

It’s said by fellow officers that he could not bare the guilt of a bad decision….
My younger brother is a Sergeant with NYPD, in a specialized unit..

 

[shean1]

Also, before this EDP was tasered, he was waving a 4 - 6 FT light bulb, not any type of cutting or slashing device.. The whole situation is very unfortunate all around..

 

[shean1]

In 1999 four officers killed Amadou Diallo.
Officers in Bronx Fire 41 Shots, And an Unarmed Man Is Killed - New York Times
I believe this case resulted in no longer allowing 4 officers riding together. You can read about it in a book called Blink. Great book. Its about trusting your subconscience and making split decisions, good stuff.
I am soooo bored

NYPD Officers DO still travel / ride together in groups... (specialized units)
which those guys were.. Narcotics / street crime task force ...
All but one of those four officers I believe left NYPD and joined NYFD after the trails..

 

[shean1]

As far as a four year degree goes, NYPD has required either for years of college OR four years military now for almost the last 10-12 years..
As I stated before, my younger brother has been on the job here for 12 years..
They have a hard time getting positions filled.. The pay is too low, and the risk is high.. Also they have allot of issues with the officers they do hire.
(the ones with the degree or Military)

There biggest problem is they hire people from outside of the five boroughs of NYC.. People who would be afraid to come into the neighborhood without the gun and badge.. (Military back ground or not) My brother calls them
Long Island cupcakes... (Long Island = suburb 20 miles or so from NYC)
Bottom line is.. Its a tuff job, its an underpaid job, and unfortunately bad things happen and people get hurt..