Need opinions on CBRXX or Busa

Oh, please....

Now I think we are all in agreement on this one, 2QK4U. I would say that all three bikes are comperable, but this just is not so. Fact is that the ZX-11 is very outdated, as it's design is over 10 years old. I used to have one of those, a "D" model. I also used to have a Yamaha FJ1100 before that. I love big bores, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for all of them. But the ZX is pretty antiquated.

I am not saying that yours isn't fast... It obviously is! Stock, they are fast as hell, and you don't have to prove that. They have been untouchable for years! But the old design is dead now, and if it wasn't for your performance mods, you'd be in a solid third place in that race.

Congrats on a fast bike. If you made it faster than last years' XX, then you deserve the credit of making your second place bike first again. This years' XX is even faster, with the go-stuff for a faster bike. Nobody is arguing that the Abuser isn't faster... I never said it wasn't.

But the idea that the ZX, in stock form anyway, beats a XX and that the XX is in third... Well, that simply isn't true.

Tell ya what... Let's look at it this way, K? First would be the 'Busa (no arguement here), (okay, okay) next would be your bike with it's performance mods (if you are for real and not some bench racer squid), then would be the new XX, last year's XX, and then a stock ZX-11. Satisfied?

'Course, the pack of them would all be so close, I think, and the real first place bike would probably be whoever was the guy that could consistently launch his bike best, again talking about rider skill. But with all riders, weights, and conditions equal...
 
Well, my first comment would have to be to Hiabuser about straight lining "taking no skill." I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he means from a rolling start. Even at that, there is some skill in nailing quick shifts and at the proper shift points. I have seen too many guys short shift before the bike comes into the power, or over-rev the crap out of their motors. As far as from a dead stop.... tell the guy on the Busa I smoked (with my 95 ZX-9) that launching one of these machines doesn't take skill!! Oh yeah, not your typical true nob either... he did go 1.8 to 60 feet.

My second comment would have to be to the guys that judge these roll-ons as a true test of performance. First of all, when you encounter another bike on the road you are not sure of a few things (unless he's a buddy). One is rider skill. If the guy doesn't know how to ride it can seriously affect the way a bike performs. Secondly... gearing. If a bike with less power is geared shorter than you, it may be a little quicker than you from the get. That doesn't mean it's a faster bike or that all other bikes of the same model run the same. Plus, you don't know what other mods have been made or what other forms of power enhancers are on the bike. Sure, pipes are an easy catch, but what about aftermarket or degreed cams, headwork, valves, pistons, ignition advancers, jet-kits, etc. All these can play a factor in why a bike is faster, or if done improperly... is slower. Another issue is rider weight. If a guy you run weighs 50 pounds more or less than you that can greatly affect the outcome of the road test as well. For all intensive purposes, 50 pounds is equivalent to a quarter (.25) of a second in a quarter mile race.

The moral of the story... sure street races are fun, but the only true way to test these machines is in a controlled environment, identical conditions, with the same rider. Otherwise, too many variables. As far as the XX vs. the Busa, I can't see you going wrong with either. Maybe you should have a pic taken with you on both and base your decision solely on which bike makes complements you the best....haha!
 
Yeah, 99TLR... I AM a Honda guy on a Suzuki board. That should tell you how good I think the 'Busa is! I love the bike. How good looking would a guy have to be to get you to "cross over" and go gay, TLR? Lol... Yeah, me neither. Wouldn't happen.

But here I am, seriously considering a Honda to Suzuki crossover because the 'Busa's really that good... Think about what brand loyalty means to some people and then fault me for being here.

Personally, I think your comments on "the best 750 around" is crap. That honor has been given to the VFR for twelve years straight by every magazine on the planet. The bike is very different from your precious GSXR750, and it is the best that the world can offer in a 750 for the track, maybe like you said, with some exotic exceptions. But calling it the "best?" Well, by who's yardstick?

BTW... You might want to find out a little more about me before telling me to "go do some homework." Like I said before, you have no idea how well I know these bikes. That comment just makes you seem ignorant.

Also, any time a bike is "tuned" as you call it, it no longer is comparable to a "non tuned" bike. That just isn't fair. How 'bout compaing the Mr. Turbo ZX-11 to the new 'Busa? That's not fair. The guy's got $50K into that bike, and it's not legal in many states. But it's only been "tuned..."

"Spanks your buddy's R1?" Lol... Okay... Then why are you considering the purchase of one?

As far as a "Honda Dreamer" goes... I am not sure what that means. If you are implying that I don't really ride, then you are very wrong. I got my first dirt bike when I was 8, and I have owned 24 bikes over a period of 21 years. Yes, I am only 29 now, and I have owned several of each of the Japanese big 4... It goes further, too, but that is for another time. it's safe to say that I have a better idea of what is going on than you do.

So, with all of my experience, and with you and I disagreeing, and assuming that your comment, "Guys that ride know..." Perhaps you are some BS benchracer poser?
 
Fast ZX9:

Thank you! Really nice to see someone here with some experience!

I ahve to agree with everything you said. There are about a dozen, very important variables that come into play, but nobody wants to admit that. The most important of these it probalby the rider's skill, as it's easy for him to do something about it and doesn't cost much by comparison. Losing personal weight (go on Jenny Craig! Ha!) is a great trick, and of course, there are all of those performance mods out there, those which are visible or not, expensive or cheap, and those which will seriously take away an advantage somewhere else (read: longer swingarms, suspension lowering kits and generally, turbos or NOS). Just practicing for a better reaction time does wonders for your times, as does electric or air shifters or mild mods like pipes, jet kits, etc.

Wanna be the fastest? How far are you willing to go? In most cases I have seen, there is far more room for improvement in the rider's weight or skill than in the bike he is riding. I have seen many a ZX9 spank a modified GSXR 1100, and there is just no excuse for that.

Might try the picture deal... The "tossup" is taking up all of my mind's free time! Lol... My fiancee is getting jealous! Ha! It's pretty bad....
 
Bob,
I'm 6'4" 220. I just picked up my new Hayabusa Two days ago. Rode it two hours straight yesterday. I was comfortable on it and could have easily kept going. I could only ride my FZR1000 for about 45 mins before
it got uncomfortable. The pegs on the Hayabusa are high but that helps in the twisty stuff.
Do it Bob!
 
I`ve tried to read all that was said.....heck I`ve got a 20 year old turbo cbx that will smoke both my busa`s. If you want to go fast ....get a suzuki. If you want to ride around get a honda. Since the cbx came out 20 years ago the blackbird is the first fast bike that honda has made....go to a NHRA race....see any honda`s? The suzuki engines that they are running is 15 years old! The old GS engines. Suzuki is the only manufactor that has consistently kept coming out with better engines. WITHOUT a doubt a Gsxr engine of earlier design can be made to outrun anything that any one else has produced...bar none. Keep in mind I`m only talking about straight line performance...not fit ,resale,comfort or handling. I started in 1972 with a kawa 750 triple and have been through them all.I`ve had drag bikes for 15 years and have street raced for some big money at times...I`ve been there. The Z-1 is the toughest most durable engine ever produced but its design is unfortunately outdated for horsepower. If someone is loyal to a honda whether its the best or not I think thats what they should buy......but the hayabusa engine will be the engine of the next few years..promise.
 
Hey CyberJoe, I know you are a Honda guy on a Suzuki board, (so some guys here might be harsh with you) but there are a couple of facts you need to be set straight on.

I ride a 98 model Suzuki TL1000R, and was amused by your comments on "Suzuki making nothing of note";

Suzuki make the best 750 without doubt, the GSXR750 has no equal (possibly MV Agusta) and makes 135 crank horsepower. Add 8-10hp for full exhaust system and re-map and 129hp rear wheel is pretty accurate. I have a friend whose bike is around those figures.

The VTR is NOT the best twin around, far from it, the Suzuki TLS beats it in hp and cornering, the TLR totals it in both again... You need to do some homework buddy, the VTR is more of a touring bike (comparable to the ST ducati maybe?). I laugh at VTR riders on a regular basis, (should see their faces when they realise just how out-classed they are by a tuned TLR!!)

Suzuki make the best 900-1000cc bike too, the TLR, mine with full system, remap and air filter makes 13hp over the stck 135 (talking 148hp here buddy) and YES IT DOES spank my friends R1 Yamamha, in cornering, pull, and charisma. And, yes, the Fireblade is a NICE bike, but doesn't come close the the TLR in terms of grunt, top end power, and cornering ability with that 1395 wheelbase and 23' geometry... I have friends with 'blades, trust me, all are looking to upgrade to SOMETHING now - (R1s, TLRs, ZX-9s, and Busas!)

Suzuki make the best over 1000cc bike, the busa, without doubt many times the equal of the xx, no further explanation needed.

As far as the 600cc class? The GSXR600 is a fine bike, but I would agree with others that the R6 just beats it. However, I don't expect to see any GSXR600 friends of mine trading their bikes in on CBR600s, even if the magazines did like the Honda.

Guys that RIDE KNOW, which leads me to suspect you are a Honda dreamer - huh?
 
cyberjoe, first of all,I don't care if you believe me or not, i know what my bike has,but i can send you a dyno run of 127rwhp, i lost the 128.6 paper work, but hey i'll go you one better, call ken's cycle center @1-800-734-9676 and ask for kevin or max and they will tell you the numbers themselves,for the 750gixer of mine and the xx's runs.Secondly the TL's never had a tank slap problem here, just those brits with bad roads, and the R models is a great bike, looks aren't everything.I'm not the only one to remember.I have changed the oil on a honda, had two, help my buddy with his 900rr sometimes,mine is easier.Don't get me wrong the XX is a damn nice bike, and if it turns you on, go for it.I just didn't like the way you were pointing out things about the busa that may not necessarily be as true and widespread as you seem to think, your going by a few posts on this board.There are too many busa's out there that are running fine to judge it harshly for a few that are having problems.If the BUSA turns you on then go for it.As far as horse power goes you now have my dyno run,a weak one but it's all i had, my buddy's 900rr has 118, no poop, he'll tell you.Fuel injection,the rc45 and a street bike,two different arena's,Honda's not going to put that kinda money in a street bike, but they could have put fuel injection on the 900rr,Why didn't they?Why no ram air?Now the rubber mounts,Don't you think the engineers at Suzuki would have taken extreme weather into account when they decided on a compound for the mounts?I doubt it's a true rubber, probably polypropelyne or some other derivitive, so there's one concern put aside.
The fit and finish is another concern i have put aside for you, the oil change is a snap too.There's 3 concerns i've put aside for you.Now like i said, i know of 5 guy's in my area with the busa with various mileage, who are following the breaking specs that have no trans or ticking problems, and say the bike is a blast and is very comfortable, so there's a couple more concerns put aside for you.Now for the bashing, you said you weren't bashing the busa or suzuki,you certainly couldn't find much to say good about suzuki,and you found plenty of faults to point out, about the busa too.You couldn't say enough good things about the XX or Honda.So needles to say,you were bashing suzuki in a round about way.All of these newer bikes are phenominal, some more than others, some in different areas, but they are all technology giants when you consider where we came from just a few years ago.Since i have owned a few hondas i DON'T see things negatively toward honda or the blackbird at all, i just didn't like the busa being bashed by someone that doesn't own one, and hasn't experienced the problems that other people have.So you have no leg to stand on as far as that goes, the blackbird is an awesome machine too, and i take nothing from it,aside from the fact that the busa is faster.It's a fast bike, handles good and alot of people i have talked to say it's a comfortable bike.So now, you have a choice here, if your more comfortable with the honda name plate and you said it yourself, your a honda man, then get the XX,but if the busa appeals to you more, then by all means get it, but save the negative stuff on the busa until you've at least given it a chance,hell take one for a ride if you can and reserve judgement on it until then.If your not blown away, then by all means get the XX.I personaly think you'll flip over it,(not literaly)i enjoyed riding and can't wait to ride it again.If i had the finances i'd trade my 750 for one.So, my opinion is this, if you get the BUSA and break her in properly i think you'll fall in love with it, then on the other hand if the XX is tugging at you, then get it and be happy with your choice.
 
cbx---Thanks!! You summed it up in a few words, SOO SIMPLE!! If you wanna go fast----B--U---S----A!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the Blackcrow. Let it eat my rubber.
Now everyone---Hail! Hail! -- A -- BUSA
Is it Friday Yet??
Thanks everyone
 
More food for thought - tonight I picked
up the August 99' issue of Sport Rider -
one of the few mags I didn't already have with Busa tests and one which was referred to
by another poster earlier. They also have a direct comparison between the XX and the Busa. Guess what?! - Sport Rider tested their Busa at 159.6 HP! What a surprise. [not] The article's heading starts out like this: "Honda's CBR1100XX gets ambushed by Suzuki's awesome GSX1300R Hayabusa"
The Busa ran 9's compared to 10.4 for
the 99XX in this particular test.
They dynoed the 99' XX at 136.9 HP and
83.7 lbs of torque. [Busa was 99.6 lbs]
The tester's opinions were especially
interesting - especially the one who chose the XX because he didn't think he could find a place to use all the power of the Busa but then goes on to complain about the XX brakes and noting the superiority of the Busa's chassis. Interesting article and a good read. Pick up the Aug 99 issue of Sport Rider to read more.
 
I forgot to mention - they had a short blurb about the Yoshimura 203 HP Busa and say the only changes to the powerplant are different cams, a full race exhaust system and a revised engine management computer. The pistons, gearbox and FI are all STOCK.
They refer to the mods as "minor".
 
To CyberJoe, sorry to get you heated up young man, (didn't realise you were only 29) and i know we can all get emotional about these things. Please don't take offense, I have nothing against you persoanlly, or against Honda who make some great bikes.

Credit due, the VFR750 is an excellent road bike, but werent we talking FAST BIKES here? If I toured more I would own a Honda (true!)

As far as me wanting to buy an R1??? Dont know where you got that idea but after being on the R1 and being on my tuned TLR, believe me, there is no way I want to downgrade. And yes, you can laugh if you like, but spanking the R1 for grunt is not that hard, the ZX9 does it and a good TLR does it, the R1 is too high a centre of gravity and starts wheelying while I am just powering forward on the TL. Gets him every time. When we swap bikes for a ride I have to BEG to get him off the TLR.

I respect your years of riding, and you should respect mine. I am a few years older than you, I have owned less bikes but I try to pick good ones and keep with them. Do you crash a lot? Always jumping to buy the "latest" bike so you can ride faster? Sorry, take that back, starting to sound like a personal attack...

Good luck with whatever bike you choose, sincerely, and I hope you keep it for a LONG time... (tonge in cheek)
 
Only crashed once, and it was a similar situation to my buddy's... Someone ran a red light and took me out. That was in 1989, and I was off bikes for nine months.

What do you have to say about that, "old man?" Oh, sorry... Seems like a personal attack. Sorry, dad, to seem that way.

You are full of crap...
 
Vegasdude.... A pervert? A drug user? A common criminal? WHAT? Did you read the same article that I did?
 
One more thing, TLR...

I have had a lot of bikes because I can afford them and I like bikes. I have owned most of them at the same time. I still have 11 of them.

So no, I don't crash a lot, dork.

Perhaps you are older, but that only makes you closer to your grave. Your years haven't taught you anything about talking to people or riding bikes. How many years of experience do you have riding motorcycles? How many times have you been to say, Laguna, for example? How 'bout drag? Any experience whatsoever? What about "road" bikes? I thought we WERE talking road bikes... Where do you ride yours? On the dirt? Track bikes belong on the track...

I don't believe a word you say, becasue if you had any experience whatsoever, you would have more intellegence than this...

"Respect your years of riding?" Not a chance, you old geiser... "Respect" is EARNED, not given. Say something intelligent and I might consider it...
 
Get real, Kammie.... YOU make sure to pull over when your engine detonates and eats itself.

And if I still get the 'Busa, then you are toast... I'll outride you any day on the same bike...
 
okay, now children, this is simple. (said in a rodney king voice: CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?) ZX9R, thank you, and yes, i did mean roll on's. not drag racing. i've been drag racing for many years and yes, it definately does take considerable skill. i've beaten zx-11's and zx-9's and cbr 900's on my stock gsxr 750. this is of course due to skill, each of these bikes are capable of tearing me a new one. but they were not as experienced in 1/4 mile stuff as i am. now, this thread is gonna get
 
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