Needing to vent - Lockdown again (apologies to all)
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Rules are rules, why should this person decide which rule they would like to follow on any particular day?
At one point in time this person will be out in society thinking they are entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want. It's high time people have to learn this is not the case, we as a society of humans must have rules in which we live by...there are many examples of societies where the rules went out the window.....I've been to many of these and there is no entitlement or privilege there, just survival.
I suppose you are a climatologist now and are privy to just what sorts of studies have been done. Although I haven't read anything Al Gore has written, is he a scientist or climatologist....
I agree, the earth goes through cycles and perhaps what is occurring is perfectly normal, the fact that the weather is changing and people are being affected in huge ways is a reality. I also agree human pollution is out of hand and cleaning up our oceans and water ways should take precedence...
Do some research on how many ancient cities have been discovered under the oceans in recent years...sea levels have been rising for a lonnngggg time now...even before pollution, imagine that.
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What I don't get in the Kyle Rittenhouse murders is how someone can illegally put themself in a risky situation and then claim self-defense. For example, if I take a weapon into a bank and try to rob it, I can't claim self-defense when I return fire at a guard and kill a customer. Clearly...
Zerks
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You seem ignorant about what money and a consistent narrative being spread about with the deep pocket supporters that back Al Gore. You also fail to understand how this world is influenced by the media, social media, and the many other centers of influence that permeate our society.
Tell a lie long enough and people will start to believe it.
Can you tell us who is on the record as having said that for the first time?
I will give you a hint... he worked under the leadership of Hitler.
Zerks
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Rules are not always rules. Laws are not always followed in a legal case. In America juries can change, ignore, or over rule a law on the books. Why is that? Because some times the circumstances justify the decision by a jury to not let a law be applied in a case. It might like be like that in Canada.
I understand your point that applies when a country is being ruled by a dictator that has no interest in preserving the freedoms or rights we were born with or granted to by a governing body or state.
You don't have to have credentials to influence people about a subject they know they know little about.
pcs
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ignorance can also be believing a documentary thats over a decade old by a person who has no scientific background will somehow cause people to believe “climate change.” most people dont even know about that documentary anymore and its not because of short term memory loss. ignorance can be saying we have no way of knowing weather history >150yrs old. look into proxy data before making that assumption. wine grapes are an easy example.
ignorance can be saying that “climate change” is only about taxes when in fact climate change has been talked about since 19th century. before anyone had any idea of its global impacts much less how to tax it.
al gore isn’t even relevant anymore. slick willys right hand man and bush jrs rivals… i didnt even vote for the guy but i tip my hat to him bc at least he had the decency to take his L and not cry about being cheated.
Society has rules and laws for a reason, if enough people decide to not follow them, the society will collapse regardless of who is in charge. There are many modern examples of this around the world and I have had the misfortune to be in a few of them...it isn't pretty.
This particular person decided he didn't want to follow rules and was removed, it might be policy for the police to place him in handcuffs either that or he could have simply been escorted off the premises....
As for dictator rule, you have no idea what an actual dictator ruled country looks like....if you were in one, you wouldn't be allowed any freedoms or liberties you now enjoy.
As for your last sentence, I wholeheartedly agree....
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Zerks
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Plenty of experienced weathermen have gone on the record as saying nothing is going on with the weather as compared to other times the weather has changed for a period of years. In the late 90s we had El Nino here in Socal and the reasons for it are well understood. Was / is El Nino a weather phenomenon that is considered abnormal by some people? El Nino typically occurs when a a large area of Pacific Ocean warm water makes is way up from the South Pacific and hangs out off the west coast of Mexico and the USA. What drives that warm body of water in some years and not in others?
Weather will always be changing... sea water will warm up and cool off and affect parts of the planet in ways that require lots of data to analyze. Volcanos, stored geo thermal energy, Sun changes and other variables will always keep the weatherman busy telling us what to expect. Until AI or some high tech method is developed to tell us specifically how the weather is affected it will be another semi predictable field of study with few absolutes you can guarantee... just consider what crop insurance for farmers is about.
Whatever "think tank / propagandist Al Gore got his marching orders from is anyones guess.... he might just be another hired gun to fear monger and spread lies with... isn't that what politicians are good at anyway? Whether you think Al Gore is relevant or not isn't the point here... he was simply the guy in charge of spreading the horse dung he and his ilk are so good at. Take a look at his jet set carbon footprint sometime.... Al Gore is just another concerned hypocrite like Bill Gates.
So, do you know someone that can predict the weather by making wine from grapes?
Zerks
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At this time in history we have laws that are designed to do more than just protect people from each other.
The rules people are not inclined to follow if they are freedom loving American patriots are the laws that are written to restrict and prohibit our freedoms. The aftermath of 9-11 is a good example of over reach by our Federal government to violate our 1st, 2nd and fourth Amendments as detailed in the founding document called the US Constitution.
Joe Rogan sums it up nicely in a paragraph if it hasn't been pulled down by You Tube.
Now there’s an expert.
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Zerks
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Well wel... Wuzza... the clever guy with emocons can't debate the simplest point made by Joe Rogan... hmmmm... who would have thought that?
Nobody claimed Joe was something more than he is... however... I happen to believe a lot of people think comedians are fairly intelligent people over all. Joe made a good point about the basis upon which this country operates. People that are free as compared to people whom are oppressed will always have a better chance in life to innovate and succeed.
Ok... now go back to acting bored and could care less about what it means to live free.
It’s couldn’t, (couldn't) care less BTW. You’re a joke as is Rogan, and that’s why you deserve nothing more than cartoons and sarcasm.
Zerks
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Lol ! Its difficult for the new administration to build back better when the task is to convert this country to socialism which leads to communism is still underway.
The kid is a handsome little guy... he is squeezing that beach sand like Hunter grabs those Chinese hookers.
Calling Joe Rogan a joke is typical behavior for the less capable types. Go ahead and cast some more stones.
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for the most part, weatherman study meteorology and not climatology. weather and climate are NOT the same. so once again you are referring to people who aren’t experts in the field of climate as your go to for information. going back to proxy data, it is used determine past weather, such as my example of where wine grapes can grow. it is well known that wine grapes like a particular weather to grow. too hot or too cold, no grapes. sowe can infer what the weather was like in an area even if they did not have a thermometer. contrary to your Opinion, science has many ways to determine past weather patterns. also, since the grapes growth is dependent on the weather they aren’t much help in predicting future weather so not sure why you end with that question. however; trying to end with a question that makes no sense but make the opposing side not have a answer is straight from lil tuckers playbook. btw spending a few hrs looking up science facts on google or listening to mr horse dewormer rogan is not the best way to learn about science.
TallTom
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Im neither a meteorologist, nor climatologist. But I tend to be both logical and inquisitive.
Are we contributing to global warming? Yes. Can we prevent it? No. Ice cores taken from the poles show repeated heating and cooling of the planet. We have caves hundreds of feet above current sea levels, that were all underwater for eons.
They find fossils of sealife from thousands of years ago, in deserts and high upon mountains.
We are finding lost cities under water, that used to be beachfront.
All of this happened before the internal combustion engine.
It doesn't require a degree in meteorology or climatology to follow the facts.
Can we slow it down? Possibly. Do we want to live in the stone age in order to do so?
For the win^
pcs
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you have good points but you forgetting to account for plate tectonics if you want to talk about finding ancient sea life in mountains. the ground below us is moving so finding sea critters on a mountain peak doesn’t suggest climate change is the only reason. also, u are forgetting that human fossil fuel consumption predates the internal combustion engine by almost a century. steam powered ship or locomotives ring a bell… also, the consensus of the scientific community is not to go back to the “stone age.” part of the solutions are to make people aware of a man made issue and try to minimize our impact on the environment for future generations. dont most parents want to provide a better future for their children than they had? better schools, more opportunity, better environment? its not a lost cause, anyone remember smogs days in los angles ca in the 70s? look at older pics of LA sky vs now. its definitely not a lost cause.
TallTom
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We used to be one large landmass. Piece the continents back together. Show me where S Dakota was ever exposed to the oceans. Or Kentucky. Or New Mexico. Or the Sahara Desert.
So we can hopefully agree we split apart at some point a few hundred million years ago.. This doesn't explain why the earth has cycled hot and cold multiple times since then.
And if I'm not mistaken the acceleration of warming has taken place in the last 100 years. Not the last 10,000 years. But the evidence does suggest we have been warming. Just like we know we had an ice age in relative recent earth history prior to that. You can do your own data reviews.
Now moving along to awareness of what causes it. Burning of fossil fuels could stop tomorrow. Outlaw all of it. (Hypothetically speaking).
Now we would lose our carbon based energy used to make heat, create about 60% of the electricity in the U.S. and about 85 % of the worldwide electricity. It also moves our goods, purifies our water, and makes up a large portion of our durable petroleum based products.
So those will all go away. And we've already depleted most of our forest. So falling back on wood isn't sustainable to survive off of.
And would it stop the heating cycle? Possibly. The evidence suggest it's had cycles of heating and cooling. We just weren't around to debate if we could control it or not.
So if tomorrow ( hypothetically) it all went away, we'd immediately be in the stone age. We'd cease to exist as humans before the temp came down enough to make it worth the efforts.
I'd rather agree to slow it down for 100 years and hope we can buy enough time to let technology catch up. Mankind has been pretty good at both causing it's problems and solving problems. We did not create global warming. This is a new problem that isn't as simple as stop burning fossil fuels. We have to solve mother nature. If we can't, our time here on earth was never up to us anyway.
We are making great strides in undoing plastics, reforesting lands, managing wildlife and resources. I'm in full support of bringing back nuclear powered power plants. It's the quickest, easiest and most understood way to make massive amounts of energy compared to anything else we know. Advancing electric vehicles. It takes time to advance those technologies. And yes it needs help by our government. Don't eff with people like Elon. He is a Thomas Edison of this century. The fact that he has become super wealthy from it, is totally worth it to us a society and a planet. He's certainly better at it than our government is.
